Vivek wants to play 4 on 5 on D
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Chubbs
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From that deadspin article (http://deadspin.com/5962514/d-iii-p...m-record-and-shouldnt-be-celebrated-by-anyone), here's how it would work. And it does work to set records. If you're playing a church league team.
""The strategy was to use a full court press after a made basket, with the caveat that [the player seeking the record] would not cross into the defensive side of the court. So, after our opponents broke our press, we were essentially playing four-on-five, which enabled the other team to take quicker shots and fall into our game plan.
"The rationale is to essentially trade off a quick two or more attempts at lower probability 3-point shots. Given the high pace required for the system, Grinnell shifts in five players every 30 to 45 seconds. Within each shift there is a primary shooter who will take the bulk of threes (or shots) during the shift."
""The strategy was to use a full court press after a made basket, with the caveat that [the player seeking the record] would not cross into the defensive side of the court. So, after our opponents broke our press, we were essentially playing four-on-five, which enabled the other team to take quicker shots and fall into our game plan.
"The rationale is to essentially trade off a quick two or more attempts at lower probability 3-point shots. Given the high pace required for the system, Grinnell shifts in five players every 30 to 45 seconds. Within each shift there is a primary shooter who will take the bulk of threes (or shots) during the shift."
This is why Vivek's shtick makes me nervous. If he was just an over eager owner spouting out ideas, you could look past it. But with the hiring of this coach and some of the strategy behind moves we've made, I get the feeling it's going beyond statement into action.
Chubbs
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It's more than just talk. He's putting it into action. I don't know what they'll actually do in Reno, but all of this just makes me nervous too. Let's just give the ball to Boogie and get out of the way. It's not creative, but it's tried and true.
Big Cuz 15
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i thought it was gerbil looking for offensive players but its really vivek owner/gm
v - owner/gm
mully - assistant gm
gerbil - puppet gm
v - owner/gm
mully - assistant gm
gerbil - puppet gm
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
There's a reason why it's always tiny college programs try these junk ball ideas. It's because they know they can't win playing a traditional game. They have no shot playing straight up so let's try something crazy. No offense to them for trying to find a way to win but it's loser ball.
And you can get kids who only got one scholarship offer or who are walk-ons to buy into that sort of thing but you'd never get even a three star prospect to sign with you and agree to that style. Let alone NBA players who are always cognizant of their stats and the perception of their play because it pertains to their next contract and possibly endorsements.
Vivek can think these things all he wants but they shouldn't be made public or getting free agents to sign in Sacramento will go from hard to nearly impossible.
And you can get kids who only got one scholarship offer or who are walk-ons to buy into that sort of thing but you'd never get even a three star prospect to sign with you and agree to that style. Let alone NBA players who are always cognizant of their stats and the perception of their play because it pertains to their next contract and possibly endorsements.
Vivek can think these things all he wants but they shouldn't be made public or getting free agents to sign in Sacramento will go from hard to nearly impossible.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I am reminded of the Paul Westhead Denver Nuggets of the early 90s.
I am frightened. I would literally not watch that crap. It was an embarrassment.
I am frightened. I would literally not watch that crap. It was an embarrassment.
Larry David
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Paul was running an aggressive 7 seconds or less system with inferior talent. Hoping Orlando Woolridge could serve as LMU's Hank Gathers was a bad idea, but it was still basketball.
What Grinell does and what Vivek is talking about is a circus. In the video clip posted above, the players talk about having to unlearn fundamental basketball to run the system.
That's what makes me worried that he doesn't know the game. Those teams have not only never won but they also didn't get a boost in watchability or popularity and most abandon the junk in a season or 2.
Bottom line, Vivek needs to step away from basketball ops so that we can finally start to put together something that resembles an nba system on both sides of the court.
Again, whatever until we actually see anything resembling this "plan" with the big league club.
As far as the D-league team goes, they can run around with shoes on their head as a new strategy if they want. I'm not going to worry about it until there's actually something to be worried about.
As far as the D-league team goes, they can run around with shoes on their head as a new strategy if they want. I'm not going to worry about it until there's actually something to be worried about.
What would "something to be worried about" look like to you?
Turning the dleague team we were excited about controlling last year into a freak show, which essentially renders it useless as a development tool.
Talking non stop about nba 3.0 and positionless basketball that doesn't seen to have any current implications for our team.
A total dismissal of defensive focus.
A complete turnover of the roster with pieces that still fail to compliment each other or even fit the system they preach.
A coach and FO that appear to have very different philosophies.
An owner that appears to be overly involved, at least as a major voice in basketball operations.
The sky isn't falling but it sure as poop looks like it's hanging on by a thin thread.
Hockey goalies are often the most talented skaters on the team. If you find one person physically capable of blocking the entire net that might be interesting but odds are they'd leave one or two areas exposed and they'd also be a nightmare on skates, not to mention all the flexibility and reaction time required. There are rules about what kind of pads goalies wear as well so basically you'd be asking this person to just get the crap smashed out of them with a puck as well, since they almost certainly would not have the skill to make actual saves. Those things do break bones.
Also, while not the same thing, there have been a number of jumbo goalies in the NHL and they usually are much worse than their smaller brothers. The best goalie of the modern era was 5'10 165.
Big Cuz 15
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anybody see NO's first game? their front court is beasting. new orleans did the right thing after trading lopez and got asik in the offseason. they look like a legit squad now.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
This literally has nothing to do with Vivek wanting to play 4 on 5.
Amazing to me how people latched on to the vaguest of rumors and yet neglected the very next sentence. This whole thread is full of an inordinate amount of hand-wringing, especially for Oct. You guys need to pace yourselves. We've got a long way to go...
And, as an aside, the new head coach for the D-League isn't his father. To visit the "sins of the father" on the son is IMHO not really fair. But again, maybe I'm just silly in wanting to actually see something happen before I start lamenting it.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The question would be why else would you ever hire such a wildly underqualified "coach" than just in hoping he will emulate his father. Our last coach up there was Eric Musselman, a former NBA head coach. Now our next one is the son of a Div III freak coach? Somehow I doubt that was the best resume we looked at, so he must have had other attractions. Such as a willingness to turn our D-league franchise into an experimental circus. Hard to imagine Musselman being that pliable.
His dad doesn't even always sit on the bench during games so his son is actually the one who has been coaching this way the last couple years.
(Ahem.) Michael Malone. (Ahem.)
I'm just gonna stick with my plan and wait until he actually coaches a game or two before leaping to certain conclusions. I can actually recall a time when people didn't post so many anticipatory negatives. I personally am going to enjoy each moment and only panic when something actually occurs. (Yes, the VF21 purple glasses POV).
GO KINGS!
I hope Vivek has 0 say in what happens with our roster, coaching, and everything else. He shouldn't even have a say in who the GM should draft. I remember years ago when the GSW traded Ellis to the Bucks. Ellis' wife was good friends with the owner's wife. The owner's wife got upset at her husband, but her husband wasn't the one who controlled the trade.
I'd like to see the same thing happen here. Vivek can be as close to Bhullar as he want, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the Kings right now. If you really think about it, it seems like he's trying to make Bhullar's overweight, under achieving, unmotivated, and lazy self relevant for the NBA.
I hope Vivek becomes nothing like Jerry Jones. I love Vivek as a owner, but not as a basketball personnel..
I'd like to see the same thing happen here. Vivek can be as close to Bhullar as he want, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the Kings right now. If you really think about it, it seems like he's trying to make Bhullar's overweight, under achieving, unmotivated, and lazy self relevant for the NBA.
I hope Vivek becomes nothing like Jerry Jones. I love Vivek as a owner, but not as a basketball personnel..
fansinceday1
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Watching that video made me sick.
That's who we hired to coach Reno? Toss in viveks comments and yes, there is something to worry about.
Vivek showing shades of jerry jones?
That's who we hired to coach Reno? Toss in viveks comments and yes, there is something to worry about.
Vivek showing shades of jerry jones?
Albatros
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Grant just confirmed on the radio this was the exact thinking from the horses mouth.
Larry David
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We are screwed. You can't overcome crappy ownership.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Just made sense.
Ooooohhhhh - Grant being all up in it and acting tough on his radio show, calling out the new owner. Somehow the fact that Grant confirmed anything doesn't help its credence IMHO. Remember who we're talking about here.
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