USA Today: Environment of hostility between players, refs?

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I saw this at PacersDigest and thought it was worth sharing, especially in light of the reports that Martin was on the receiving end of some hostility from an official yesterday...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2006-02-28-referees-abuse_x.htm

'Environment of hostility' festering between NBA players, refs?
By Roscoe Nance, USA TODAY


The referees' union is crying foul about the way some NBA coaches and players treat its members. The union cites 27 incidents over the past two seasons that resulted in coaches and players being suspended or fined for their behavior toward referees.

"Our greatest fear is that we're a step away from a referee being physically assaulted," Lamell McMorris, executive director of the National Basketball Referees Association, says. "That's where we are. That's the environment that's being created."

McMorris calls it "an environment of hostility." He says it is being created because the league "isn't putting down as heavy a hand as it could and should" when incidents occur. He cited a Jan. 10 incident during which Carlos Arroyo bumped a referee and drew a one-game suspension. McMorris said Arroyo should have been suspended for multiple games.

"Refs should be untouchable," he says. "At some time that message has to be sent. The Arroyo case was a good opportunity to send the message, 'don't bump referees. Don't touch referees.' They have to know if you touch a referee in a hostile manner and he feels threatened, it won't be tolerated."

Seattle SuperSonics forward Danny Fortson has been penalized more than any other player the last two seasons for his actions towards referees, having been suspended three times for a total of five games.

Sacramento Kings point guard Mike Bibby has paid $25,000 in fines for two incidents.

"I remember an incident overseas about five years ago where a player punched a referee and knocked him cold," New York Knicks swingman Jalen Rose says. "I don't think anything like that will ever happen in the NBA. Emotions run rampant. The games are so intense, and the stakes are so high. (But) At the end of the day, players and coaches really respect officials and really appreciate that they try to do a good job."

Dallas owner Mark Cuban, who has been an officials' watchdog since purchasing the Mavericks, says McMorris is off base.

"He is creating a situation that doesn't exist," Cuban says. "Maybe he should request that the league release results of officials' performance evaluations so fans, players and owners can see how wonderful a job they actually do. The officials do a good job overall. This would be his opportunity to confirm it to all."

Knicks coach Larry Brown has been the most heavily fined coach for his interactions with referees the past two seasons. Brown has been fined three times for a total of $70,000.

"The emotionally charged and highly competitive nature of our games is one of the things that makes it compelling to our fans," Indiana coach Rick Carlisle says. "The fine line you walk as a player or coach is that you have to channel those emotions in a way that's not harmful to your team or the game. That's the situation we're dealing with. My sense was it was getting better year to year."

Stu Jackson, executive vice president, operations for the NBA, says the league closely monitors the relationship and method of communication between referees and players and coaches, and that it has improved in recent years.

Still, the league has taken measures this season to protect referees and improve their relationship with players and coaches, imposing stiffer penalties for unsportsmanlike technical fouls as a deterrent to conflicts.

The first five technicals a coach or player receives are $1,000 each, up from $500; technicals 6-10 are $1,500 each, and the 16th technical carries a $2,500 fine and an automatic one-game suspension. Also, any ejection carries at automatic $1,000 fine.
Jackson says the number of fines and suspensions this season is "more of a function of our increased scrutiny of players and coaches, and referees for that matter, and how they handle conflict on the floor. We're scrutinizing players and coaches very closely in maintaining a certain level of decorum on the floor. "Every indication we have is they have been helpful," Jackson says, pointing out that 661 unsportsmanlike conduct technical fouls were called through 828 games this season compared to 809 through 829 games last season.

Six coaches — Brown, Nate McMillan, Doc Rivers, George Karl, Mike Montgomery and Lawrence Frank — have been fined this season for inappropriate behavior to ward referees. There were four such fines last season.

"We're working on it," Washington Wizards coach Eddie Jordan says. "Both sides are working on it. We need to have a (good) working relationship with the officials no matter how much we disagree, and fans must see it."

Referees are not allowed to talk to the media about such issues. But privately two veteran referees say that fines are meaningless because of the amount of money NBA players and coaches make. These two would like to see suspensions.

"The league needs to be a bit more forceful, as they have been in other rules and regulations, when it comes to the protection of referees," McMorris says. "If you have to be held back from charging after the referee, you've crossed the line. Fining isn't enough."

A major complaint among referees is how coaches and owners can go directly to Jackson and Ronnie Nunn, the supervisor of officials, with complaints about officiating issues. They say that practice un dermines their authority and diminishes players' respect for them.

"Instead of blaming officials for their teams' deficiencies and shortcomings, individuals need to keep their eyes on the prize and focus on the game and their teams responsibility and failures and stop blaming the refs," said McMorris.

Blurring separation of powers?

The 27 incidents that the National Basketball Referees Association feels are an indication that the line is blurring between players, coaches and referees, a line the association says needs strengthening (all fines and suspensions levied by the NBA):

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Incidents:

2005-2006 season
Nov, 9, 2005 New Jersey coach Lawrence Frank fined $25,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner and verbally abusing the refs after Nets-Miami Heat game.
Nov. 11, 2005 Golden State coach Mike Montgomery fined $25,000 and Warriors guard Jason Richardson fined $20,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner and verbally abusing the refs after Warriors-Bulls game.
Nov. 30, 2005 Denver coach George Karl suspended for two games for criticizing the refs after Nuggets-New Jersey Nets game.
Dec. 4, 2005 Boston coach Doc Rivers fined $10,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after his ejection from a Celtics-Chicago Bulls game.
Dec. 10, 2005 Seattle's Danny Fortson suspended for one game for verbally abusing refs and failing to leave court in a timely manner after ejection from Sonics-Utah Jazz game.
Dec. 26, 2005 Indiana's Stephen Jackson fined $20,000 for making an obscene gesture after he was ejected during a Pacers-Cleveland Cavaliers game. Jackson denied making the gesture and his appeal is pending.
Dec. 26, 2005 Portland coach Nate McMillan fined $15,000 for verbally abusing the refs and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after Trail Blazers-Timberwolves game.
Dec. 29, 2005 Seattle forward Danny Fortson suspended two games without pay for berating a ref and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after ejection from SuperSonics-Minnesota Timberwolves game.
Jan. 11, 2006 Then-Detroit guard Carlos Arroyo suspended one game without pay for bumping a ref during Pistons-Hornets game.
Jan. 19, 2006 John Paxson, Chicago vice president of basketball operations, fined $15,000 for verbally abusing refs after Bulls-Denver Nuggets game.
Feb. 2, 2006 New York coach Larry Brown fined $20,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after his ejection from Knicks-Los Angeles Lakers game.

2004-05 season
Dec. 13, 2004 Then-Portland coach Maurice Cheeks fined $7,500 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after a Blazers-Jazz game.
Dec. 23, 2004 Then-Detroit coach Larry Brown fined $15,000 for verbally abusing a ref after Pistons-Bulls game.
Jan. 16, 2005 Then-Toronto guard Rafer Alston fined $7,500 for verbally abusing a ref during a Raptors-76ers game.
Jan. 29, 2005 Then-Detroit coach Larry Brown fined $35,000 for criticizing refs after Pistons-Timberwolves game.
Feb. 3, 2005 Indiana's Stephen Jackson suspended for one game for verbally abusing the refs at the end of a Pacers-Toronto Raptors game.
Feb. 10, 2005 Sacramento's Brad Miller suspended one game for berating refs and throwing his headband and wristbands into the stands after a Kings-Phoenix Suns game. Kings guard Mike Bibby fined $15,000 for berating the refs and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after the game.

Also: Then-Sacramento guard Cuttino Mobley fined $15,000 for comments he made about the refs after the game. Then-Kings forward Chris Webber fined $10,000 for kicking the ball into the stands after the game ended.

Feb. 11, 2005 Seattle forward Danny Fortson suspended two games for yelling at a ref, throwing a chair, and failing to leave court in a timely manner after ejection from Sonics-Kings game.
Feb. 15, 2005 Then-Sacramento guard Cuttino Mobley fined $10,000 for abuse of the refs and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after Kings-Mavs game.
March 1, 2005 Washington guard Gilbert Arenas fined $7,500 for criticizing the refs after Wizards-Sacramento Kings game.
March 2, 2005 Chicago post player Tyson Chandler fined $10,000 for directing an obscene gesture toward a ref during a Bulls-Rockets game.
March 22, 2005 Philadelphia guard Allen Iverson fined $10,000 for verbal abuse of a referee after 76ers-Bulls game.
April 12, 2005 Denver forward Kenyon Martin fined $7,500 for verbally abusing refs and failing to leave court in a timely manner after his ejection from Nuggets-Warriors game.
April 25, 2005 Dallas coach Avery Johnson fined $10,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after Mavericks-Rockets playoff game.
April 29, 2005 Then-Boston forward Antoine Walker suspended for one game for contact with a ref following his scuffle with Indiana forward Jermaine O’Neal during a Celtics-Pacers playoff game. O’Neal was fined $10,000 for his role in the scuffle.
May 2, 2005 Houston coach Jeff Van Gundy fined $100,000 for comments made to the media that he believed the officiating was targeting Rockets center Yao Ming during playoffs. It is a record fine handed to an NBA coach, doubling the old record.
June 3, 2005 Detroit's Rasheed Wallace fined $20,000 for public criticism of the refs after a Pistons-Heat playoff game and using inappropriate language when speaking to the media.
 
A system where really bad calls by refs are publicly acknowledged would go a long way to making players/fans feel better and reduce hostility. The players and fans don't know what the results of review processes are and how refs are reviewed to make sure they call games correctly. Right now it's a big black box behind the scenes with Oz pulling levers and blowing smoke. Are there teeth behind ref reviews or not? What is being done to make refs better? Why can't they be consistent in calling games instead of giving superstars the calls to the detriment of the good younger players? Why aren't playoff games called the same as during the season? Why are the last 2 minutes sometimes called differently? Why are Jazz games so much more physical and nothing called? Why are refs so darned inconsistent? Where are the travelling and palming calls?

If they could address some of this and make the system a little more transparent, everyone would be happier.
 
The part of this article I found the most ridiculous was:

A major complaint among referees is how coaches and owners can go directly to Jackson and Ronnie Nunn, the supervisor of officials, with complaints about officiating issues. They say that practice undermines their authority and diminishes players' respect for them.

So they don't want coaches and owners going to their bosses? What do they expect them to do?

Think about it this way: If you're unhappy with how you're treated by a clerk in a store, do you complain to the clerk about the clerk?

:rolleyes:
 
Warhawk said:
A system where really bad calls by refs are publicly acknowledged would go a long way to making players/fans feel better and reduce hostility. The players and fans don't know what the results of review processes are and how refs are reviewed to make sure they call games correctly. Right now it's a big black box behind the scenes with Oz pulling levers and blowing smoke. Are there teeth behind ref reviews or not? What is being done to make refs better? Why can't they be consistent in calling games instead of giving superstars the calls to the detriment of the good younger players? Why aren't playoff games called the same as during the season? Why are the last 2 minutes sometimes called differently? Why are Jazz games so much more physical and nothing called? Why are refs so darned inconsistent? Where are the travelling and palming calls?

If they could address some of this and make the system a little more transparent, everyone would be happier.

WORD!!!
 
Taking away the veil of secrecy would be a nice first step. Getting rid of some of the bad attitudes among refs would be a good step too. They want to be untouchable, then they're going to have to act that way. There are too many refs who get snippy, will try to verbally spar with coaches or have agendas against certain teams.
 
Whining about refs is fairly pointless. It all balances out. Even if a ref missed 50% of the calls, he'll miss 50% of the ones for your opponent too. And many players in the NBA are incredible prima donnas who literally have never committed a foul in their life, never missed a shot in their life without being fouled, and in their minds are amazingly screwed over every single game by every single ref. And of course even if a ref got 100% of the calls right he would upset fans or oneside or the other because fans of a team see all calls through a filter.

Now refs whining about people whining about the refs is weaker still given their prominence and personalities.

The whole topic is just...blah. Just play the game, everybody walk home rich, and enough posing and complaining.
 
The refs are awful IMO. How come the Jazz and Lakers can hack relentlessly but none of it's called? I mean the lakers "full court press" just involves tons of grabbing, pulling, etc. Also if you even breath on a star player like Kobe or Vince, it's a foul. But if a guy who's not as known gets hacked, grabbed, etc. by a star or one of the teams I mentioned it usually doesn't get called. It doesn't make any sense to me, I've seen times where our players get smacked or whacked in the face and there is no foul called but like today Bonzi barely took a breath on Vince(I think it was Bonzi anyways) and it was a foul. He was just playing defense, he didn't hit him or anything. The reffing is way too inconsistent IMO. Too many star calls, some teams are allowed to play very physical and some aren't, etc. Why can the refs throw the ball at Kevin? I wish they would do something about it.
 
Here's the thing -- if you visit 30 teams messageboard's, you will find out that all 30 are being screwed over by the refs in favor of the other 29. That kind of tells you something. Its a perspective issue.

Different issue is the just the competence question, but that's always a tough one in basketball.
 
Bricklayer said:
Here's the thing -- if you visit 30 teams messageboard's, you will find out that all 30 are being screwed over by the refs in favor of the other 29. That kind of tells you something. Its a perspective issue.

Different issue is the just the competence question, but that's always a tough one in basketball.

Save for the Spurs. Refs truly love them.;)
 
Basketball is incredibly difficult to officiate. In fact it is the most difficult sport to officiate in my opinion. In football, contact is allowed, in basketball, referees have to differentiate regular game contact, and foul contact. They have to determine who the ball went off of, when it is incredibly difficult to do so. They have to look at the players feet in the charge zone, while looking to see if he has position. They have to determine if the arch was on it's way down for goaltending, and tthey have to determine flops. You can't name one sport where officiating is that difficult. Now, can officiating be improved? Of course it can. They could add one more ref perhaps, or perhaps they could be penalized very minorly for a certain number of mistakes, as the players are after a certain number of T's. (even though they are originally fined, but it goes up after a certain number) But for the refs to complain about coaches and players going to the director of officials is idiotic. It's as if I (a server) mistakingly gave my customer the wrong food and it cost him to miss an appointment. Are they going to complain to me? No, they are going to complain to my manager. Like it or not, the refs are an employee of the NBA. And the players, are like their customers. If they mess up, someone higher up needs to hear about it.
 
hoops4kings said:
Basketball is the worst officiated game in sports. I've accepted that.

I agree 100%. So bad it almost at times feels like the fix is in... Surely all Kings fans know what I am talking about
 
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