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If Rondo is our PG, I'd say there would be room for Smith in our offense. He is not going to take 20 shots like the pizza guy.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
As long as it does not involve #8, i am fine with that.
Big Cuz 15
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cuz, smith, gay, morrow, rondo?
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
we'd be helping detroit out in that trade. they have a glut of players that don't mesh
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well Smith is one of a very short list of guys who can legitimately add shotblocking while retaining the mobility to guard PFs, and let Boogie and his near league leading defensive rebounding stay near the hoop. And while we only have a short resume, as an undervalued on the outs low hanging fruit sort of player, he looks just like the other guys Gerbil has pursued. Give us your tired, your poor, your analytics hated weak....funny for all the talk of Gerbiul being basically a basement dwelling stat geek in Denver. Have seen almost no concern for analytic type stuff at all in pursuit of Mbah a Moute, DWill, Gay, Evans, possibly now Smith. Keep Evans on as the rebounding muscle to Smith's flashy athletic jumpshooting and its a solid rotation.
Advanced stats are NOT going to love us though.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Can't stand Smith. He's an incorrigble knuckle-head 4 who sees himself as a 3 and will take 3 pointers without conscience even though he can't shoot there worth a darn, and who by floating on the outside negates his value as an inside presence. It's pretty obvious that no coach has ever been able to cure himself of his delusions of 3-dom. He'll go through short lapses of being a 4, only to recoil to his self-identity as a 3. His reputation has been about his potential for his entire career. "If only" should be on his NBA epitaph. He's got to be the greatest under-achiever in the NBA today.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Finances actually work, was surprised:
2014
Thompson $6,037,500
Williams $6,679,866
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$12,717,366
Josh Smith $14,000,000
also, JT not happy camper and coming off his least productive year of this career. DWill very overpaid for expected role.
And turns:
2 2nd rnd picks --> Mbah a Moute --> Derrick Williams --> Josh Smith (while wiping out one of the last Petrie contracts)
2014
Thompson $6,037,500
Williams $6,679,866
-----------------------------------
$12,717,366
Josh Smith $14,000,000
also, JT not happy camper and coming off his least productive year of this career. DWill very overpaid for expected role.
And turns:
2 2nd rnd picks --> Mbah a Moute --> Derrick Williams --> Josh Smith (while wiping out one of the last Petrie contracts)
CurseOfTheSalmons
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i hope we target kendrick perkins next for more rondo insurance. he'd also fill our need for a back up center.
Jerichoholic
Bench
This is definitely a group of volatile personalities, outside of Rudy Gay all of these guys have had run-ins with their teammates, bad things could happen. However, there is more to it than that, there are connections here. Even though individually there might be issues, reports indicate that all of these guys like each other, are friends to certain extents. Perhaps these relationships could keep each doing what they should be doing.
Entity
Hall of Famer
you appear to have changed your mind on this within a 30 min period
Dreadnought
Bench
I am very excited at the prospect of getting all of these "bad attitude" players. I'm a boom or bust kind of guy, so if some "Coach Carter" epiphany can bring them together, this might just work.
Hell yes to this deal. Last year was a mess for him and Detroit. Before that with ATL.....
Doesn't shoot below 45% in any season as a 4... He's kind of a stretch 4, can hit the 3 but is inefficient with it, but to look at what he CAN do is he gets to the line (needs to get % up though), rebounds enough as long as Cuz is boarding, gets lots of steals and blocks and racks up assists from the 4 spot. Plays very good defense. Takes some ill advised shots but everyone was saying the same thing about Rudy before he came over. I think with Cuz on the team, there is no mistaking who the big dog is and it probably reels him in a bit. All I know is he can fill up the stat sheet in a lot of areas...more than JT and DWill ....
This would be a great deal for Sac.
Doesn't shoot below 45% in any season as a 4... He's kind of a stretch 4, can hit the 3 but is inefficient with it, but to look at what he CAN do is he gets to the line (needs to get % up though), rebounds enough as long as Cuz is boarding, gets lots of steals and blocks and racks up assists from the 4 spot. Plays very good defense. Takes some ill advised shots but everyone was saying the same thing about Rudy before he came over. I think with Cuz on the team, there is no mistaking who the big dog is and it probably reels him in a bit. All I know is he can fill up the stat sheet in a lot of areas...more than JT and DWill ....
This would be a great deal for Sac.
HndsmCelt
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Admittedly I don't watch many east coast games, (probably saw Detroit 6 times last year) and I am aware that Josh brings elite shot blocking, I don't see the defense when 6'9" Josh starts to D up on west coast PF's like Duncan, Griffin, Aldridge, Davis, Randolph or Love. I just think our fast track to improving the front line is to bring in a shot blocking center and move DMC to the 4. But the experimnet might be worth the risk if the parts out are Thompson, D Will and Terry.
CurseOfTheSalmons
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they can happen right now.
Couple points:
1. Not sure 45% is really a high bar for your PF
2. The last couple seasons, he takes over 3 3's a game and shoots in the high 20%
3. He gets to the line about 4 times a game and shoots around 50%
Not saying its a horrible deal but these are big problems when you are paying someone over $13M/year for the next 3 seasons
Just like the deals to clear space in the past, what goes out is less important than the salary cap hit that potentially prevents other pieces from coming in.
We'd be sending out the following for the next 3 seasons (assuming we didn't resign Dwill or Terry): $12M, 6.5M, 2.6M and taking back 13.5, 13.5,13.5. A huge difference. I don't know that we couldn't do a lot better with 6 and 10M in space than Smith.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I appear to have done what I always do, take a lkook at what is.
Josh Smith has been horribly overrated for a long time. HE'S TOO SMALL. He's too dumb. He's weak for a "power" forward, and would be a complete nothing in the West. A middle level guy at $14mil per. He has never taken advantage of his gifts. He has always been a second tier empty stats and even overrated defender.
BUT
He's still far more talented than the junk going the other way. And his particular traits: athletic mobile shotblocker on defense, are hard to find, and a rare fit next to Cousins. Whether that's worth all the times we pull out our hair as he hosts his 8th 21ft bricked jumper of the night rather than dumps it into Cousins inside, I do not know.
Bosnian Diehard
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Let's say this trade does go through with the rumored parts of Thompson and Williams heading to Detroit... Our best bench players would be McCallum (if Rondo comes, but that's nowhere near certain) and Reggie Evans. Obviously, we'd need to improve that. So what kind of FAs would you guys target (and for reasonable price)?
EDIT: OK, I forgot IT but he might not be here next season. Anyways, we'd still need more than a one-player bench.
EDIT: OK, I forgot IT but he might not be here next season. Anyways, we'd still need more than a one-player bench.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Only need two of those three to make it work financially. Want one of them to be JT, because the other two are our enders, and hence if we keep one it might facilitate the next deal.
If Detroit is desperate to dump Josh Smith (and it seems they are) and the Kings want to take that risk I'd substitute Landry for Thompson.
At least then we're keeping a third big that can swing between PF and C.
Even then I can't say I'm enthusiastic about the idea.
At least then we're keeping a third big that can swing between PF and C.
Even then I can't say I'm enthusiastic about the idea.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Anthony Morrow has been on my speed dial since the season ended.
if DWill is gone and we need a backup 3, I like PJ Tucker.
Franciso Garcia is out there, has no ties with new management, but some with Cuz, still shoot, vet min leader maybe.
Wondering what Danny Granger is looking for now. Ready to just be a backup with leader qualities yet?
Jodie Meeks is nobody to me, but fits the bominb SG role we'd need.
Hinrich, Jordan Hill, Chalmers, Thabo, Okafor.
Really want at least one legit backup C if Jason is gone.
Entity
Hall of Famer
I can get on board with that easy
He's not a post player so the % is ok for me....most of his good years its ranging between 45-50..not so much from the 3, that has to get reeled in, and the FT% needs to be better. The other numbers are very solid.....way more than what we can get from JT and DWill....he was on a lot of good teams there in the ATL with Horford and Joe Johnson. I think he's a piece that can help get us closer to the playoffs.
I'd rather us be discussing how we get to the next round in the playoffs than discussing how we can get to .500. This deal would upgrade the talent level in getting there and it possibly shows some of these vets in the league that the FO and new ownership group means business in changing the culture in the GM/FO/ownership group from one of apathy to one of striving to get it done.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Perhaps. But Smith has been in the league for a long time now. On the one hand, we've got the possibility of change caused by close relationships with fellow players; on the other we have years of data to see what he's actually done. I'd rather go with the historical evidence. We've seen wild swings in his play, within games and within seasons: The Smith who everybody thinks could be fantastic, and the Smith who people just shake their heads at as a bonehead. Both are the real Smith as far as I am concerned. If I have to risk another 3 years at $14 million, I'm going with the historical evidence, not the hopefull possibility.
roasthawg
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So you want dmc guarding those 4's??? Demarcus is fine right where he is imo.
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