K
Kingsguy881
Guest
They don't put up the same #'s. Beno has never flirted with a triple dip. To suggest that they put up similar #'s is ludicrous.
They don't put up the same #'s. Beno has never flirted with a triple dip. To suggest that they put up similar #'s is ludicrous.
In a few games they have put up very similar numbers, and Beno has flirted with a triple doubles from time to time, like last Nov 29, when he had 14 pts, 9 reb, 7 assts. Most of their games have had dissimilar stats, though, and I'm not sure what the point would be were that not the case.
Here are the games from Halloween on, where they played together, so folks can see for themselves.
Evans----------(pts-reb-asst-TO)-----------Udrih
6-2-6-2---------------------------------------------6-2-1-2
3-3-4-2---------------------------------------------16-4-6-3
15-3-4-2-------------------------------------------14-0-1-1
32-3-7-2-------------------------------------------15-3-4-0
23-8-2-0-------------------------------------------20-3-6-2
20-8-8-5-------------------------------------------12-4-3-4
20-6-4-3-------------------------------------------22-3-4-2
20-4-4-4-------------------------------------------13-2-5-2
29-7-10-5-----------------------------------------20-4-5-3
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
Thanks for that. I only balked at the notion that they put up 'the exact same numbers' and that is not true. Evans #'s are better. Beno can approach him in certain areas but he will never fill up a stat sheet like Evans can on any given night.
edit..it's been almost one year since the last time Beno flirted with a triple dip. Tyreke has already done it twice this regular season. There is no comparing the two of them. Until Beno can give you 3 blocks and 2 steals and flirt with a triple double this argument is pointless.
Last edited by a moderator:
Section 101
All-Star
Evans total numbers are better but not by much. Evans PER is 17.34, Beno is 16.49. This is the best Beno has played. His PER 2 years ago was only 13.71.
Defensively Evans is better on the ball, but Beno fights through picks better and plays better team defense. Both go for steals too much in transition instead of getting back.
It's a long season, there is still a lot to be played.
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
Wait, so the rookie has better numbers? Hmm, wonder who has the upside. Why is this even being brought up? Udrih is trying to keep up with Evans, kudos to him. But this is his ceiling, whereas Evans is just getting started. And I don't see anything on the court to warrant stating that Beno is better at anything on the defensive side than Evans is. Beno is trying, hard, very hard. Kudos to him. But I'm sure we all saw the quit in him last year and I don't see Evans as being a quitter.
I don't think anything that happened last year should be held against any of the players we still have on the team. The entire season was a fiasco; players were tuned out, players were ignored, players felt (and perhaps rightly so) they were being singled out unfairly at some times, etc. It was a total and complete disaster.
Beno Udrih is doing about as well as I could ask of him this season. That's what matters.
The comparions about him and Evans have a lot of validity but I don't think the "quitter" thing even needs to be part of it.
Just my two cents, of course.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This is a profoundly stupid topic.
It would be amusing just to see how far people will contort themselves for the sake of ego -- its tricky you know to try to cast aspersions at somebody by comparing them to another player while simultaneously acknowledging that that other player has been playing well -- but the whole thing has gotten old.
It would be amusing just to see how far people will contort themselves for the sake of ego -- its tricky you know to try to cast aspersions at somebody by comparing them to another player while simultaneously acknowledging that that other player has been playing well -- but the whole thing has gotten old.
For the first two or three posts it seemed like kingsguy is arguing vs himself. I don't understand what you are trying to prove... that Beno has been playing great but can't approach a triple double threat? That Tyreke has a bigger upside? both of those things are common sense points, nothing worth getting worked up about.
SkinnerBox
Bench
I think Beno is going to have a lot of fun going against other teams' second units once Kevin Martin comes back.
Last edited:
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
That, and the fact that Beno is not putting up the 'exact same' numbers that Tyreke is, as was stated in another post. I don't think you need to point out to me that they are common sense points, but there are others who are stating that they are putting up the 'exact same' numbers and insinuating that Beno = Tyreke. And thats plain nonsense. I have heard some whoppers in my day but that one took the whole platter.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
So what is the point? That Beno is about the same defensively as Evans...? That is funny....
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Let me see if I can bring a little clarity to this discussion..
Dwight Howard: 17.4 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 1.7 bpg.
Marc Gasol: 15.2 PPg, 11.1 rpg, 1.7 bpg.
It doesn't get to much more similar than that. Who would you rather have?
Kevin Garnett: 13.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.0 bpg.
Jason Thompson: 14.6 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.3 bpg.
Once again, who would you rather have? If age wern't an issue.
As stated, common sense dictates, there's more than just stats to the value of a player. They don't hurt though. By the way. I was surprised to see that Thompson leads all PF's in rebounding.. Lets hope he can continue bringing at least that every time out.
Dwight Howard: 17.4 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 1.7 bpg.
Marc Gasol: 15.2 PPg, 11.1 rpg, 1.7 bpg.
It doesn't get to much more similar than that. Who would you rather have?
Kevin Garnett: 13.2 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.0 bpg.
Jason Thompson: 14.6 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 1.3 bpg.
Once again, who would you rather have? If age wern't an issue.
As stated, common sense dictates, there's more than just stats to the value of a player. They don't hurt though. By the way. I was surprised to see that Thompson leads all PF's in rebounding.. Lets hope he can continue bringing at least that every time out.
Section 101
All-Star
So what is the point? That Beno is about the same defensively as Evans...? That is funny....
Since I brought up PER which is offensive based, I addeed the defense. They arent the same, just different.
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
I would second this if it weren't for the fact that Evans is avg'g
18.2p, 4.6r, 4.8a, 2.8t/o, 1.5st and .5 blk while Udrih is avg'g
14.5p, 2.4r, 4.3a, 2.0t/o, .7st, and .2blk.
You just can't compare the two, and you can't state they are putting up 'the exact same' numbers. It's ludacris.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I think the point is, that even if their stats were exactly the same, their not equal in overall ability and effect on the game. I doubt any team would put Steven Jackson on Beno to try and stop him. One could argue that Evans points are harder to come by than Beno's.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Thompson leads all PFs in rebounding by virtue of all the missed layups he generates--he's really good at chasing his own misses. He's always been an average defensive rebounder for a guy his size, so I suspect that when he finally gains some touch inside (if that day ever happens), the rebounds might drop down quite sharply. That will be interesting to see. He definitely has rebounding instincts, but I don't think he's quite the rebounder on the level of a Tim Duncan or Troy Murphy.
This is a profoundly stupid topic.
It would be amusing just to see how far people will contort themselves for the sake of ego -- its tricky you know to try to cast aspersions at somebody by comparing them to another player while simultaneously acknowledging that that other player has been playing well -- but the whole thing has gotten old.
Great cartoon and fitting. but I must admit I'm rather enjoying this ping pong match.
Nitpick break:
ludacris: rap artist
ludicrous: ridiculous or absurd
While Ludacris might, indeed, be ludicrous to some, the words are not interchangeable.
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
I did it on purpose. Due to the first post in this thread it's obvious I know how to spell it. I just wanted to see who would be the first grammar popo to get on it.
Last edited by a moderator:
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
Great point. One might also be able to argue that Evans makes Beno's points easier to come by....
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
I don't think anything that happened last year should be held against any of the players we still have on the team. The entire season was a fiasco; players were tuned out, players were ignored, players felt (and perhaps rightly so) they were being singled out unfairly at some times, etc. It was a total and complete disaster.
Beno Udrih is doing about as well as I could ask of him this season. That's what matters.
The comparions about him and Evans have a lot of validity but I don't think the "quitter" thing even needs to be part of it.
Just my two cents, of course.
'quitter' point aside, just what do you think makes the comparisons between the two valid? Because when I look at them I see two completely different players.
Emma
Starter
Are you tellin' a lie?! Us grammar popo's don't need to be tested, please.
What's with that anyway? And when are you gonna change your name back? What on earth is going on?!
I'm losing it, I can see the rabbit hole...
Actually, I did notice that you had used both spellings. Hence my choice of the word "interchangeable."
As far as validity to comparisons of Udrih and Evans go, they both play for the Sacramento Kings, Udrih played point guard last year while Evans is touted to be the point guard of the future by most people, etc. I didn't say the comparisons were necessarily valid; what I said (or at least meant to say and probably could have worded better) was there was validity in making comparisons.
K
Kingsguy881
Guest
Actually, I did notice that you had used both spellings. Hence my choice of the word "interchangeable."
As far as validity to comparisons of Udrih and Evans go, they both play for the Sacramento Kings, Udrih played point guard last year while Evans is touted to be the point guard of the future by most people, etc. I didn't say the comparisons were necessarily valid; what I said (or at least meant to say and probably could have worded better) was there was validity in making comparisons.
Gotcha, lol. I don't see the comparisons continuing beyond what you mention but maybe there is someone who can make a good argument for it. They'd still be wrong though
