U.S. Open

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Shocked that Maria won the U.S. Open. New York - the Grand Stage. Not just a pretty face. But not for the life of me can i understand why her father and hitting coach refuse to follow the rules and stop sending signals to the young superstar during matches (bananas or otherwise!). Just don't interfere, period. It takes something away from her moment. It's mindless, reckless and totally self-indulgent. Hello, Yuri, wake up.
 
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#32
I was hoping Justine would be able to knock Maria out. I like Henin-Hardine. She has dignity, she has class and she has GAME! And I'm sorry, but I hate the loud screaming grunts ...
 

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#33
Roddick to face Federer in the final! It's great to see Roddick work his way back into the top of the game after an off year. The tennis media has him channelling Jimmy Connors, his new coach, but the key to his success this tournament has been his serve, which even Federer will have some problems with. (He'll still break him, but not easily.) On the other hand, Roddick has had trouble putting his opponents away, and he needs to capitalize on the few (if any) chances Federer will give him.

I'm extremely excited about the final.
Although I agree Roddick's serve has been incredible, I personally think the REAL key to his success has been his attitude and I have to credit Jimmy Connors for that. Before, you always had the idea Roddick was just playing around, doing only as much as he thought it would take to win. I always wondered if he had more that he just wasn't giving.

With Connors as his coach, however, I think he WILL put it all out there on the court this afternoon. Hopefully, he'll have the focus for the game that Jimmy always had. I think he has a better chance to defeat Federer than a lot of people are giving him credit for.

:)

Either way, it should be one helluva match.
 
#34
I don't see Roddick hanging w/ Federer, Jimmy-effect or otherwise. Roddick is a talented and gracious individual but he is in the mix during the Era of one of the Masters. Now that i have said all that watch me eat my words....

As for Maria's grunts, any reasonable male would overlook it for all her other allure but more than that it suddenly reminded me of perhaps the first gruntmeistress. Wouldn't that be the initimable and much adored Monica Seles. She was something in her day. I miss her and loved her game, her heart and her personality. Saw her for a few brief but precious seconds being interviewed this week in the stands at the Open and caught the last minute or so. Love her. Glad she's still around tennis.

And hoping to see a lot of the latest version of gruntmaking. Maria is A-OK in my book excepting she's a bit ditzy. But hopefully she'll grow through that.
 
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Got to give it to Roddick. He played w/ a lot of spirit. He was in it for much of the match and was in a position to upset well into the third. I didn't expect it to be that close.

And Jimmy did make a difference. I liked the way Roddick was coming to the net and playing aggressive. That's the only way to beat Federer. Press him. But again, that's not an easy task by any stretch and w/ Nadal who knows what the future holds.

Roddick's a good guy. He's pretty mature. Speaking of which it seemed a little out of character for a guy who has won 9 Slams and someone who plays at his stature, to have to fall to the ground following the match point. Come on, Roger, you're the man. You'd never see Tiger falling down or being melodramatic. At this point, enjoy your wins, pay your respects to your opponent and hold your head up, my man, you are a champion. You're there. What's the deal w/ falling down to the ground...
 
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Roddick's a good guy. He's pretty mature. Speaking of which it seemed a little out of character for a guy who has won 9 Slams and someone who plays at his stature, to have to fall to the ground following the match point. Come on, Roger, you're the man. You'd never see Tiger falling down or being melodramatic. At this point, enjoy your wins, pay your respects to your opponent and hold your head up, my man, you are a champion. You're there. What's the deal w/ falling down to the ground...
I disagree. Nobody knows what kind of emotions people go through when winning something huge like the US Open, if it is your first or hundreth time. Furthermore, he became the first person in tennis history to Wimbeldon and US Open back-to-back three years in a row. That would make me just as, if not more, emotional. I don't believe he was being melodramatic at all. He belongs with the greats of the game now and may even surpass them. He shows that he truly respects the game of tennis and eventhough he has 9 Grand Slams to his name, he is still humble in his victories and doesn't take anything for granted. As for Tiger, i'll just say that different people react in different ways. For example, look at Schumi and how he reacts after 90 Grand Prix victories.
 
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#38
Roger is playing at a time when he really has no equal, except for Nadal on clay.

I think he'll dominate for the foreseable future except at the French (which he might win).

A real champion, but he doesn't have the any rivalries like the past.

Roger is gonna be an all time great for sure.
 
#39
King Kong, respectfully acknowledge your differing opinion on Federer's 'reaction' to winning the US Open again. But it just felt out of place in terms of his stature and the relative way he not only steamrolled Roddick through the last set but the way he steamrolls just about everybody outside of Nadal these days. The win seemed anti-climactic by the time it ended, all due respect to Roddick for playing his heart out right to the end.

Respecting your thoughts but just can't see these kind of dramatics any more for a champion of his stature. And trust me, i have an enormous respect for Roger and have had that respect for some time. How can you not respect a guy that plays that game as masterfully as he. Think it was kinda the same way back in Ivan Lendl's days. Loved the guy for similar reasons. He was dauntless and played the game w/ grace and an indomitable nature...
 
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I disagree. Nobody knows what kind of emotions people go through when winning something huge like the US Open, if it is your first or hundreth time. Furthermore, he became the first person in tennis history to Wimbeldon and US Open back-to-back three years in a row. That would make me just as, if not more, emotional. I don't believe he was being melodramatic at all. He belongs with the greats of the game now and may even surpass them. He shows that he truly respects the game of tennis and eventhough he has 9 Grand Slams to his name, he is still humble in his victories and doesn't take anything for granted. As for Tiger, i'll just say that different people react in different ways. For example, look at Schumi and how he reacts after 90 Grand Prix victories.
That is correct. Why would he overact?

The truth of the matter is, Federer keeps his emotions in check, and once the last point is over, it all comes out.

What contributes to this emotion is the fact that he was struggling against Roddick. Four of his first five slam finals were won in straight sets, but the last five finals went to four sets. Not exactly on the brink of defeat, but definitely struggling -- Baghdatis, Nadal and now Roddick, they were all tough.

Roddick had him doubting. Just like the Wimbledon 2004 final, Roddick was the aggressor in the 2nd/3rd set, and Federer was just hanging on for dear life. He started missing forehands. Was tentative on his shots. Started making desperate net rush attempts, on approaches that weren't even half good. Missed ALL the backhand down the line passing shots, which is amazing, because that is one of his best shots.

Roddick messed up at 5-6 3rd set. Played a sloppy game. After that, you could see Federer just loosened up, and Roddick being down, it almost ended up with a bagel.

The ever recurring Federer weakness: unable to serve out the set or match. He's always had that. The last few years were absolutely better, but from time to time you'll still see it. He had it against Blake as well.

Roger is playing at a time when he really has no equal, except for Nadal on clay.

I think he'll dominate for the foreseable future except at the French (which he might win).

A real champion, but he doesn't have the any rivalries like the past.

Roger is gonna be an all time great for sure.
It is a discussion that will never die. Is he so good, or is everyone so bad? The same thing was held against Sampras. He won his slams against Pioline, Martin, Ivanisevic and such..His only rival was Agassi.

Depth vs big rivalries..It seems hard to have it both ways. Lack of depth is what made Borg-McEnroe-Connors-Lendl etc. play each other as frequently as they could. The current depth means that everybody is closely matched (except for the very top of course).

Even if he hasn't had a great rivalry, what he has done is impressive. Plenty of guys have dominated for one year. But nobody has ever dominated in such a way for a 3-year stretch. Here comes the guy and breaks virtually any record out there. That is just so freaking sick.

Regardless of what he does in the future (you see him dominating for the near future -- really, who doesn't?), he's already established himself as an alltime great. Top five at the very least. The question is where he'll end up. He's only 25, and is one slam ahead of what Pete had when he was 25. Well on his way to being the greatest ever.

The most talented player...ever. Bit stupid to compare athletes from different sports, but I'd imagine he'd be somewhere at the top of the list.
 
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That is correct. Why would he overact?

The most talented player...ever. Bit stupid to compare athletes from different sports, but I'd imagine he'd be somewhere at the top of the list.
Really don't have to bother but it was fairly telling for Tiger Woods, arguably the most dominating player ever in the sport of golf to be hanging out in the Federer box w/ his wife and Roger's girlfriend. Wonder what attracted Tiger to the Federer camp. They both seem to be doing comparable things in their respective sport. They're both dominating the field in ways that has rarely if ever been seen. And given those developments and all the explanations offered in this thread, it just simply surprised me to see Roger fall to the ground after the match.

I mean there was a respectful competitor crossing the net as he tends to do, given the classy guy he is, waiting patiently for Roger to get up off the ground so he could pay his regards and congratulate the champion - the undisputed longstanding heavyweight of the tennis world. Fortunately, Roger was up before the 10 count...
 
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Really don't have to bother but it was fairly telling for Tiger Woods, arguably the most dominating player ever in the sport of golf to be hanging out in the Federer box w/ his wife and Roger's girlfriend. Wonder what attracted Tiger to the Federer camp. They both seem to be doing comparable things in their respective sport. They're both dominating the field in ways that has rarely if ever been seen. And given those developments and all the explanations offered in this thread, it just simply surprised me to see Roger fall to the ground after the match.

I mean there was a respectful competitor crossing the net as he tends to do, given the classy guy he is, waiting patiently for Roger to get up off the ground so he could pay his regards and congratulate the champion - the undisputed longstanding heavyweight of the tennis world. Fortunately, Roger was up before the 10 count...
I couldn't disagree more. Roger doesn't strike me as a guy who is into theatrics. Past champions were not as emotional after slam win X. But he is. So what? I don't think Roddick would harbour any bad feelings because of that celebration. It's not like he stayed on the ground for like several minutes like some folks have done (err, Agassi in the past, anyone?).

Roger seems to understand legacy better than anybody else. He knows he's in great position to make history, but at the same time, he knows he's somewhat fortunate to be in this position. He could get a freak accident and his career would be over. He knows every slam win is special. He expresses himself accordingly.

And like I said, it was such a dogfight after the first set. Had Roddick not had that lapse of concentration at 5-6, who knows what would have happened. He certainly had chances to win the 3rd set.

He doesn't take these wins for granted, and I think that's a great thing.