Tyrese Watch

[SacTownKid]

I view him as potentially having as much value to the Pacers as John Stockton had for the Jazz. Stock was never looked at as a superstar, but was selected for the original dream team

I've been watching a lot of Stockton lately. I will say, he could flat out D up when it counted. That might go unnoticed. Hali is starting to become beyond meh on that end. He can to do it, he chooses not to.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Do they still? It's hard for me to track this objectively since so much of the Haliburton discourse focused on how stupid the Kings were to trade him. But I don't think casual fans act like he's LeBron's heir apparent, just the pod bros who he is tight with.

Your mileage appears to vary, but I don't think "heir to LeBron" is where the line is drawn on "Is Haliburton overrated or not?"

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I've been watching a lot of Stockton lately. I will say, he could flat out D up when it counted. That might go unnoticed. Hali is starting to become beyond meh on that end. He can to do it, he chooses not to.

and yet most teams would love to have him at lead guard.

 

[SacTownKid]

and yet most teams would love to have him at lead guard.

Most teams aren't contenders. In another give someone credit, the Kings were after Siakam. That might have been the right call after all. For Keegan? Nah, clearly not worth it considering Siakam was not into it.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Most teams aren't contenders. In another give someone credit, the Kings were after Siakam. That might have been the right call after all. For Keegan? Nah, clearly not worth it considering Siakam was not into it.

The Kings aren't close to contenders and I'd love to have him at lead guard

 

[SacTownKid]

The Kings aren't close to contenders and I'd love to have him at lead guard

Yeah but that's like saying moving Davion was a huge mistake. It is what it is, this is why the Kings better not consider moving Devin Carter BTW. The potential is there. I think it's becoming more clear, Fox was partly behind moving anyone that got in his way.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Yeah but that's like saying moving Davion was a huge mistake. It is what it is, this is why the Kings better not consider moving Devin Carter BTW. The potential is there. I think it's becoming more clear, Fox was partly behind moving anyone that got in his way.

Getting nothing for Mitchell was the huge mistake

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Your mileage appears to vary, but I don't think "heir to LeBron" is where the line is drawn on "Is Haliburton overrated or not?"

But that was the whole vibe during the post-trade discussions but it seems to have cooled off.

 

[hrdboild]

Do they still? It's hard for me to track this objectively since so much of the Haliburton discourse focused on how stupid the Kings were to trade him. But I don't think casual fans act like he's LeBron's heir apparent, just the pod bros who he is tight with.

He got to be one of only 12 players selected for last year's USA Olympic team and followed that up with a pretty dismal start to the season. I think the players probably have the same level of "too distracted with my own business to change the opinion I formed months ago" myopia as the rest of us.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

He got to be one of only 12 players selected for last year's USA Olympic team and followed that up with a pretty dismal start to the season. I think the players probably have the same level of "too distracted with my own business to change the opinion I formed months ago" myopia as the rest of us.

Ringer currently has him ranked 19th in the league (for reference Domas and Fox are now 26 and 27 respectively). I suppose you are right about the Olympics, but I think even with 12 US players, there were enough other guys sprinkled around other teams in the tournament that you're still looking at a guy right around the back end of the top 20 and that feels about right?

Now if this poll had been conducted a year ago and that were the result? I don't think I'd protest. Just feels like people have come back to reality on Tyrese right now.

Perhaps the currently correct answer is the guy deemed untouchable in the Fox trade? But yeah I imagine opinions are hard to change and that is an interesting one about Hali. If part of it is sheer overexposure, that is also fair game.

 

[The_Jamal]

Getting nothing for Mitchell was the huge mistake

We got DDR

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

We got DDR

Traded a 2nd round pick in order to dump his rookie contract. wonderful

 

[hrdboild]

Ringer currently has him ranked 19th in the league (for reference Domas and Fox are now 26 and 27 respectively). I suppose you are right about the Olympics, but I think even with 12 US players, there were enough other guys sprinkled around other teams in the tournament that you're still looking at a guy right around the back end of the top 20 and that feels about right?

Now if this poll had been conducted a year ago and that were the result? I don't think I'd protest. Just feels like people have come back to reality on Tyrese right now.

Perhaps the currently correct answer is the guy deemed untouchable in the Fox trade? But yeah I imagine opinions are hard to change and that is an interesting one about Hali. If part of it is sheer overexposure, that is also fair game.

I like The Ringer in general (I subscribe to their movie content anyway), but there is also an inherent bias in their rankings which may contribute toward some of the overrated perception within the NBA player community. I would include that site's rankings within the sphere of the "pod bro" community that you referenced earlier and that happens to be a community where stats and fantasy value trump other less quantifiable means of determining player value. The common ground with the quoted poll seems to be players who win more individual awards than championships, players who are perceived as lazy/overpaid, or players who have made enemies of their own prior teammates. I don't think the last category applies to Tyrese but the other two could be where he lands for the voters who named him.

 

[The_Jamal]

Traded a 2nd round pick in order to dump his rookie contract. wonderful

You don't have to like it, but that move was to clear salary to get ddr

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

But that was the whole vibe during the post-trade discussions but it seems to have cooled off.

I really don't think that Haliburton's peers thinking that he's overrated has anything whatsoever to do with "the whole vibe during the post-trade discussions." If this poll had been taken two years ago, maybe, but as it stands in 2025, I can't imagine why it would.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I really don't think that Haliburton's peers thinking that he's overrated has anything whatsoever to do with "the whole vibe during the post-trade discussions." If this poll had been taken two years ago, maybe, but as it stands in 2025, I can't imagine why it would.

I guess I am just missing why Tyrese? Two years or even one year ago I'd not have argued. The hype train seems to have cooled off.

 

[SacTownKid]

Getting nothing for Mitchell was the huge mistake

We now see what they get for DeMar, because that was the trade off.

 

[Tizzy Flip]

Most teams aren't contenders. In another give someone credit, the Kings were after Siakam. That might have been the right call after all. For Keegan? Nah, clearly not worth it considering Siakam was not into it.

Well turns out Siakam was right. He had a better chance to go deep and compete with Hali than he did with Fox and Sabonis. People here hate to admit it, but people love playing with Hali. Turner goes from wanting to leave to begging to stay. He, Toppin and Siakam suddenly go from low 30% 3pt shooters to upper 30s. But yeah, a dude that’s a 50/40/85 shooter that averages 10+ assists (6:1 assist/TO) and who went to a team that was 25-57 and doubled up those wins in 3 seasons is totally overrated

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Well turns out Siakam was right. He had a better chance to go deep and compete with Hali than he did with Fox and Sabonis. People here hate to admit it, but people love playing with Hali. Turner goes from wanting to leave to begging to stay. He, Toppin and Siakam suddenly go from low 30% 3pt shooters to upper 30s. But yeah, a dude that’s a 50/40/85 shooter that averages 10+ assists (6:1 assist/TO) and who went to a team that was 25-57 and doubled up those wins in 3 seasons is totally overrated

The other thing that is hard to swallow, is that Turner is an easier 5 to build with than Sabonis

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

We now see what they get for DeMar, because that was the trade off.

So they got what, about 1/4 of Derozan's salary for Mitchell and a 2nd round pick? Yeah, that is more than nothing, but it isn't decent value considering what he's showing for a good organization

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I guess I am just missing why Tyrese? Two years or even one year ago I'd not have argued. The hype train seems to have cooled off.

You're trying too hard to rationalize this, like you need there to be a reason that makes sense to you, and you're overlooking the obvious: maybe they just don't like that dude?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

You're trying too hard to rationalize this, like you need there to be a reason that makes sense to you, and you're overlooking the obvious: maybe they just don't like that dude?

well yeah, I am not ruling out that it is just that, again, I don't get why? First thing I asked was "Is it just professional jealousy?"

Is wanting to understand the why here not valid?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

well yeah, I am not ruling out that it is just that, again, I don't get why? First thing I asked was "Is it just professional jealousy?"

Is wanting to understand the why here not valid?

There's nothing invalid about it. I just think that you're trying to unscrew the inscrutable.

 

[chief bromden]

well yeah, I am not ruling out that it is just that, again, I don't get why? First thing I asked was "Is it just professional jealousy?"

Is wanting to understand the why here not valid?

Soooo 13 guys voted him as most overrated... My guess most of them are on the Bucks.