Tyreke's shot? Opinions

[rekehavoc73186]

when i first saw tyreke shoot in the first game it looked much more fluid because he wasnt fading away. Ever since that game his shot looks like last years and he is fading away. I notice he mostly fades only when someone is on him, but when he is open he goes straight up. So what i want to know is instead of shooting jumpers alone in the gym he needs to practice shooting OVER SOMEONE. That might be the main reason his shot hasnt improved when he's shooting over someone during the game. I think this is the is the reason his shot looks much better as a spot up shooter (i think thats what its called).

 

[UK_King]

This was his first shot attempt of the season from 3, wide open and he still has a slight fade but it's obviously less.

Then look at this!

he's basically horizontal (he made the shot)

 

[rekehavoc73186]

he does fade a bit but he is not falling back and having a leg kick. If he practiced shooting over someone he should be able to get rid of his habit of fading away.

 

[UK_King]

He is falling back with a leg kick, there's plenty of examples this season.

 

[Section 101]

he does fade a bit but he is not falling back and having a leg kick. If he practiced shooting over someone he should be able to get rid of his habit of fading away.

Uh, he's kicking his legs in the first one here.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

im talking about when he is open and he just pulls up. When he dribbles, dribbles and shoots off the dribble he fades a lot more. He should just become a catcha and shoot player til he can fix his off the dribble shot.

 

[UK_King]

Here's one from last night.

 

[rainmaker]

Many players naturally have a little kick if they're elevating for a shot. That's not the issue for me. It's his balance. He was on balance those two shots he hit in Chi. He's been somewhat off balance since.

I really think he needs a step back jumper. He's quick enough and has the handle to create it. If you notice when he shoots off balance, it's because he's not creating enough space and almost force himself to fade to get the shot off. Either stop taking those shots or step back and create space.

Reke is quicker than Pierce, has a better handle, yet Pierce creates more space. Reke is going up without enough space between himself and the defender. Shooting a step back actually helps you shoot more on balance as well. You just drive hard towards the defender, quickly push back off your lead foot and land on both feet before going up. Just make sure you're squared up. Instead, Reke is going up without his feet properly set which will usually forces him to be off balance or unnecessarily fade.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

Here's one from last night.

yeah exactly my point when he tries to shoot off the dribble and when he is covered he fades and has a leg kick. When he catches and shoots he is more balanced.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

i agree he needs a stepback jumper which ive seen him do before and make. Someone needs to really tell him what he needs to add and really work with him. This organization needs to do its very best to help him.

 

[rainmaker]

Here's one from last night.

To me, that's more him not creating space, or really having the space there. Then he kicks his leg as his upper body is forced to fade mid shot, to create the space he didn't create in the first place. He's got to learn to create enough space to be able to go straight up.

Another thing here which I've noticed, is most right handed shooters are better shooting off the dribble, when that last dribble is with their left. It's easier and more fluid to go from your left straight into a jumper. Reke however takes a lot of his off the dribble jumpers off dribbling with his right. That's tougher.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

look at the jumpshot from chicago game and look at the game from last night. Huge difference when he is open and does just one dribble rather than dribbling and being covered.

 

[UK_King]

he has basically the same amount of space vs chi (3) that he does vs GS but as you say coming off that screen from his left hand seems to put him in a better rhythm, that golden state shot had come off a long long dribble where he went one on one.

Pierce has a small kick but he elevates into his shot where as reke sort of pushes it out giving it that big rainbow.

 

[rainmaker]

he has basically the same amount of space vs chi (3) that he does vs GS but as you say coming off that screen from his left hand seems to put him in a better rhythm, that golden state shot had come off a long long dribble where he went one on one.

Pierce has a small kick but he elevates into his shot where as reke sort of pushes it out giving it that big rainbow.

There's a few reason going up off your left dribble as a right handed shooter works better.

There's less movement in your shooting arm, particularly your elbow. If you come off your left dribble into a jumper, as your left hand bring that ball into your "shooting pocket" if you want to call it that, your right elbow is already tucked in and facing the hoop. When the ball hits your right hand all you have to do is go straight up with it. It's quicker. Off your right dribble, there's much more movement, and your arm from down at your side has to go up, bring your elbow in and then go up all in a fluid motion, while still having to square up. On your left you're usually already closer to be squared. It's practically twice as much movement for your shooting arm, which means twice the opportunity for variation in your form going off your right dribble.

The other aspect is that right handed players jump better of their left leg. It's always that way. You grow up having used your left foot to explode. If you go up off your left dribble, you plant your right foot first, then swing your left foot over and explode up. Your left is providing most of the explosion here, and it's why most right handed shooters elevate more off the their left dribble. Looking at what you posted, Reke is no different and gets more elevation off his left dribble. The reverse, off your right dribble, and your weaker leg, your right, is responsible for more of the explosion. Hence, he seems to kick more and fade more off his right dribble.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

There's a few reason going up off your left dribble as a right handed shooter works better.

There's less movement in your shooting arm, particularly your elbow. If you come off your left dribble into a jumper, as your left hand bring that ball into your "shooting pocket" if you want to call it that, your right elbow is already tucked in and facing the hoop. When the ball hits your right hand all you have to do is go straight up with it. It's quicker. Off your right dribble, there's much more movement, and your arm from down at your side has to go up, bring your elbow in and then go up all in a fluid motion, while still having to square up. On your left you're usually already closer to be squared. It's practically twice as much movement for your shooting arm, which means twice the opportunity for variation in your form going off your right dribble.

The other aspect is that right handed players jump better of their left leg. It's always that way. You grow up having used your left foot to explode. If you go up off your left dribble, you plant your right foot first, then swing your left foot over and explode up. Your left is providing most of the explosion here, and it's why most right handed shooters elevate more off the their left dribble. Looking at what you posted, Reke is no different and gets more elevation off his left dribble. The reverse, off your right dribble, and your weaker leg, your right, is responsible for more of the explosion. Hence, he seems to kick more and fade more off his right dribble.

wouldnt it be great if we could say all these things to reke ourselves bc it doesnt seem like the organization has noticed any of this lol. Its a shame really. I gotta agree. I usually dribble with my left hand when i shoot as well and have found when i dribble with my right it does make it harder to get into the shot.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

we should all tweet him

 

[KingsFanSince85]

I was a big proponent of the Kings drafting Tyreke. I really felt he could and would develop into a upper-eschelon PG. Obviously, I was wrong. As far as his future at SG is concerned, I'm utterly convinced that Tyreke will never develop a consistent outside shot. Experts have worked with him, but the results are the same. I just don't have hope anymore. In hindsight, they should have selected Rubio. I just hope I'm not saying the same thing 4 years from now regarding Lillard over Robinson.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

I was a big proponent of the Kings drafting Tyreke. I really felt he could and would develop into a upper-eschelon PG. Obviously, I was wrong. As far as his future at SG is concerned, I'm utterly convinced that Tyreke will never develop a consistent outside shot. Experts have worked with him, but the results are the same. I just don't have hope anymore. In hindsight, they should have selected Rubio. I just hope I'm not saying the same thing 4 years from now regarding Lillard over Robinson.

never say he cant get a shot. He just has to find what right for him and get the right teaching. Have faith.

 

[rekehavoc73186]

does reke always pull up with his right hand off the dribble? anyone know?

 

[ESP47]

Really it's balance. The guy is a good FT shooter but terrible if he has to spot shoot from the same spot. Half the regulars on the pick up game courts can shoot better than Tyreke. Sometimes shooting is just something you either have or you don't. If he had it, he would be a mini Lebron. Instead he's just an inconsistent fringe starter.

 

[rainmaker]

Really it's balance. The guy is a good FT shooter but terrible if he has to spot shoot from the same spot. Half the regulars on the pick up game courts can shoot better than Tyreke. Sometimes shooting is just something you either have or you don't. If he had it, he would be a mini Lebron. Instead he's just an inconsistent fringe starter.

Not really. Reke's spot shooting is actually pretty decent. If he's spotted up at the 3pt line and the ball is kicked to him, the shot looks very good, going back to last year as well. I've never seen him spot up at the FT, as that doesn't happen in the NBA, so I don't know what you mean by that. It's his off the dribble shot which is the problem.

As for guys on pickup courts being better, that's ridiculous. Adonal Foyle used to regularly play pickup at my gym up until about 2 years ago, and he could rain down jumpers past the 3pt line. Yes, the same Adonal Foyle who I don't think ever took an 18 footer in his NBA career. You jsut don't know how good NBA players are until you see them up close. Defense at your local park doesn't compare either. Not even close.

 

[ESP47]

I'm not saying pickup players could go out in the NBA and shoot better than him. I'm saying pick up players can shoot better off the dribble with a hand in their face. Both players can be 5'7", it doesn't matter. A hand in the face is a hand in the face.

IMO Tyreke's off the dribble shot is absolutely terrible and his spot up shooting is more James Johnson like. Most of his three's are spot up shots and we see how good his percentages look from there.

The guy just can't shoot. No excuses. You don't see Brooks or IT struggling with their off the dribble shooting even though their defenders are taller than them. Tyreke can't shoot whether he's being defended or spotting up wide open.

 

[Kingster]

I thought that shooting expert that coached for him for a couple of weeks was going to solve the problem? And then there was Petrie for a week. And his brothers watched him shoot some jumpers. It all was supposed to help. And it didn't. A lot of cooks and the meal tastes lousy. He needed to have someone who knew what they were doing work with him day in day out for three months, not this ad hoc crap. But no, that didn't happen. And now he has just as lousy an outside shot as he had the year before or the year before that. He doesn't just miss short or long, he misses right and left. That's a terrible sign. This is an old old story now. It's pretty sad, really. I think the chances of him being traded are going up every jumper he attempts. The Kings are going to see that he is a very good defensive player, but that they just can't afford a starter who can't shoot outside to go with Cousins. The only thing that will save him from trade bait is if the Kings make the playoffs, and that seems less than 50-50 right now.

 

[Gilles]

It's all about "is it fixable?"
If it is (as I think), theoretically Kings will get a better bargain every time Tyreke shoots a junper. Unfortunately, 29 other teams watch NBA games too. You know what he can do now. You can easily imagine how unstoppable he becomes the moment the shooting becomes at least respectable. So if some team believes he can do what Lowry did at the age of 25, Tyreke will get money anyway.

 

[Chupacabra]

I happen to be an accomplished shooter = P All of his movement should be moving as close to straight up as possible. There is too much use of his arms and not enough use of his lower body in terms of creating power for his shot. I always thought Eddie House had the best stroke. Straight up and down movement, quick release, minimal use of arms and maximum use of lower body.

 

[LWP777]

His jumper is a constant source of frustration with me. First of all, he's not a good shooter. Never has been. Probably never will. Every year he talks about how he's worked on it all summer but every year it's just more of the same. He has very poor mechanics.

 

[bajaden]

I'm still going to give Tyreke 20 or so games before I pass any kind of judgement, but it doesn't look good so far. This is an important year for Tyreke. If he can't make progress this year, the odds are he never will. Until he can at least hit a mid-range shot consistently, he's a one note somba offensively. At the moment, I wouldn't even consider giving him a max salary. And I'm not sure any other team would either. He's hit a wall, and he has to break it down, or what you see, is what you get.

Changing old habits is hard. Ask any golfer that took his first lesson after 15 years of learning bad habits. Hitting shots in practice is easy. Its what you do under pressure that matters. Its not how much you practice, and thats important, but its what you practice. It would be a shame for him to fail at this. He's such a talented player. But he wouldn't be the first...

 

[ElRey]

Tyreke really has trouble shooting off the dribble, that's something he needs to work on with his coaches.

 

[pshn80]

Like someone above says its not how much but what you practice. I'm sure Evans practices jump shooting as much or more tha anyone on the team and they all do practice shooting. He needs to work on broader skills IMO, like reading the defense for a whol variety of options for himself to help all the time on offense. Broaden his game. Take jumpers when you should whether you make or not. Don't force them like the victory depends on you. Right now Evans doesn't need to score alot for the team to be successful. Take it easy and let it come. It will get better. Let's not depend on his scoring much.