Trading up in the draft

[bajaden]

If the Kings wanted to trade up, going for cousins wouldnt be where I would go. I think trading up, you would want to go for the 2nd pick and evan turner by sending a combo Hawes/Garcia/Nocioni, and 5th pick to Philadelphia (if they insist, I'd send JT instead of Hawes) for Dalembert/ W.Green or Speights, and 2nd pick. Kings will get a player who complements Tyreke well on the perimeter, and get a good, albeit overpaid (for 1yr only) shot blocker, and either a servicable backup SG or a PF/C with potential. Philly would rid themselves of dalemberts crappy contract, and pick up a much more reasonably paid center (Hawes or JT) and 2 solid perimeter pieces, as well as a high enough draft pick to get their bigman of the future (which is sorely needed now in Philly).

I am comfortable with Landry in the 4 spot as the PF for the immediate future. Being a frequent Rockets watcher as well, I know that this guy is incredibly efficient and putting a potent lineup on the perimeter will prevent doubles on the guy. He put up 18/6 on 52%FG in 28 games for Sac, is among the league leaders in 4th quarter efficiency, and has a solid midrange game. I wouldnt be quick to pass on him or try to trade him. You know what you get in him...a draft player could bust. Keep him and Evans as a nucleus for the future plans (along with E.Turner I hope).

Next utilize that 20million in cap space during the offseason. I would target a few players that may not necessarily strike peoples fancy but would be good additions.

I would go get (in no particular order):

1. matt barnes (brings length and tough defense on the perimeter, and is capable of hitting a spot up jumper) (give the guy 3-5million...much better than the 1.6 he's due to make if he exercises his option). He would get a lot of open looks at the basket with evans and turner penetrating and kicking out. He also is a former kings player and is familiar with them.

2. Brendan Haywood: Good rebounder and shot blocker. Will guard the paint well and could benefit from open looks due to drives by turner and evans. (currently making $6million. due to have a pay cut in all likelyhood...but probably could be had by Kings for $5million)

3. After paying the draftee (~$3mill/yr initially) that leaves 7-9 million, plus the MLE of $5 Allowing Sac to go after Rudy Gay who I would give 8-10million (a 6'10'' 240lbs, 20/6/2/1.5/46%FG player at SF (even with Z.Randolph and Mayo on his team) who plays good defense).

Lineup would look like this:
PG: Evans/Udrih
SG: Turner/ W. Green (potentially)/Casspi (who can play the 2/3/4)
SF: Gay/Barnes/ Donte Greene (who can play 3/4)
PF: Landry/Speights (potentially)/ JT or Hawes (I think both players' playing styles are closer to PF than C)
C: Haywood/Dalembert/JT or Hawes

This line up has multiple players that play multiple positions well
Evans (PG/SG)
Turner (PG/SG/SF)
Gay (SG/SF)
Casspi (SG/SF)
D. Greene (SF/PF)
JT/Hawes (PF/C)

All the starting perimeter players are solid defenders, can handle the ball, and are big athletic players, with a good touch and all are likely to be able to score 20pts on a given night. Add that to 15-20 you'd get from landry a night, not to mention solid defense in the paint from him, haywood, and dalembert and good offensive production from the bench and you would have a very solid, very young team that is extremely versatile moving forward. This is the trailblazers of last year, but with much more potential. And, none of the salaries would be unreasonable. This is a team that as it matures, could potentially contend for titles in 2-3seasons (as it matures and gains experience...not necessarily short on skill). IT would have at least 2-3 favorable matchups at 2-3 positions. against almost every team.

I think your missing the entire point of this discussion. The 76ers are trying to unload Brand's salary. Not take on a bunch of other salaries or unload any other players. Why can't we just keep it simple folks. We don't have to give away half the team every time we want to make a move. I might add, that you giving away young players that have relatively cheap contracts for a player in Dalembert that makes 12 mil next year and is on the last year of his contract. Plus Speights has been less than stellar so far in his career. Right now, JT is a much better player than Speights, and they came into the league at the same time. And, I have no interest in Willie Green...

 

[cwebb2002]

I threw in those players because there is no way that without unloading some extra $$$ that Kings should trade to get even the 2nd pick in return for taking brand. Sac has $25million to spend this offseason so it can probably go get a couple guys that are underpaid for their talent level (Gay) or who will be taking pay cuts because of the drop in NBA salary cap (Haywood) and come out a better team. If the 76ers are willing to take back ~$8M in salary then go for it, but otherwise there is no benefit. The services that you would get from Evan Turner can be provided for cheaper by Rudy Gay...an NBA tested and proven scorer and defender. The reason is that to get Turner you have to take back a $16M contract plus the $3M Turner will be due. If they take nocioni and hawes/JT (total of 8.9-9.82) then yeah, go for it. And its not like these guys are scrubs like brand became in Philly. Plus it is easier to unload Nocioni on someone or buy him out than it would be for them to do that with Brand. So they are still in better position. They have to be willing to at least take a nocioni and potentially another Hawes or JT (preferrably Hawes). That will still leave ~15M for Kings to go get an actual player like Gay who can contribute in a big way. I'd be satisfied with that swap.

 

[bajaden]

I threw in those players because there is no way that without unloading some extra $$$ that Kings should trade to get even the 2nd pick in return for taking brand. Sac has $25million to spend this offseason so it can probably go get a couple guys that are underpaid for their talent level (Gay) or who will be taking pay cuts because of the drop in NBA salary cap (Haywood) and come out a better team. If the 76ers are willing to take back ~$8M in salary then go for it, but otherwise there is no benefit. The services that you would get from Evan Turner can be provided for cheaper by Rudy Gay...an NBA tested and proven scorer and defender. The reason is that to get Turner you have to take back a $16M contract plus the $3M Turner will be due. If they take nocioni and hawes/JT (total of 8.9-9.82) then yeah, go for it. And its not like these guys are scrubs like brand became in Philly. Plus it is easier to unload Nocioni on someone or buy him out than it would be for them to do that with Brand. So they are still in better position. They have to be willing to at least take a nocioni and potentially another Hawes or JT (preferrably Hawes). That will still leave ~15M for Kings to go get an actual player like Gay who can contribute in a big way. I'd be satisfied with that swap.

To give up Nocioni, a player we don't need, and take on the rest of Brand's salary in order to get the 2nd pick in the draft, is worth it only if we believe that whoever we pick at 2 is worth it. Nocioni will make just under 7 mil next season. Not a bad trade off. To give up players that we consider part of the current core makes no damm sense at all. That becomes a deal breaker for me. Were trying to improve what we already have. If you think signing Rudy Gay is going to be cheaper your crazy. He's going to want a max salary, and based on time of service that would be around 14 mil a year for starters. Not to mention that Turner is a SG, and Gay is a SF. Something we seem to have plenty of.

 

[fnordius]

An ideal off-season in my mind:

Trade Carl Landry or (probably more likely) Jason Thompson and possibly filler and the #5 pick to New Jersey for the #3.

At #3 draft DeMarcus Cousins

Huh?

Consensus right now is that Favors goes at #3, that Johnson is likely to be #4, and that Cousins is probably still available at #5, if we want him.

I'd consider trading for #3 to get Favors, but if you want Cousins, his stock has been dropping pretty hard since the combine, so no trade is likely to be required (from what we can guess right now).

 

[cwebb2002]

The reason I said Gay would be cheaper was in the event that 76ers dont want to take any salary back which is what it appears to be. If you are able to get them to take nocioni then of course that is cheaper. And paying a guy like gay $12M to even $14M doesnt bother me that much considering this guy has all star written all over him. He gets ~20ppg on 47% shooting, even with ZBo and Mayo on the squad, is pulling down 6rebounds, 1.5steals, and almost 1bpg (0.8). His scoring alone is better than Casspi and Nocioni combined, only 1 less rebound then both combined, more steals than both combined. Yes Sac has multiple SF, but they are nowhere near his league. The guy deserves that $12-$14M contract based on his first few years of play.

 

[mac]

The reason I said Gay would be cheaper was in the event that 76ers dont want to take any salary back which is what it appears to be. If you are able to get them to take nocioni then of course that is cheaper. And paying a guy like gay $12M to even $14M doesnt bother me that much considering this guy has all star written all over him. He gets ~20ppg on 47% shooting, even with ZBo and Mayo on the squad, is pulling down 6rebounds, 1.5steals, and almost 1bpg (0.8). His scoring alone is better than Casspi and Nocioni combined, only 1 less rebound then both combined, more steals than both combined. Yes Sac has multiple SF, but they are nowhere near his league. The guy deserves that $12-$14M contract based on his first few years of play.

Well no duh he scores more than our SFs ... He's their main guy. I don't think we need to sign or trade for an all-star level player at the SF position. We need a star big man and then a couple of role players. Donte and Casspi should be good enough for us in the long run

 

[JJ_Evans]

I dont see a sign and trade happening for bosh that doesnt include our top 5 pick

 

[cwebb2002]

Rudy Gay is a restricted free agent. You dont need to sign and trade for him, you just have to out bid Memphis (where zbo is actually now their main guy). They have a 4.4M qualifier.

As for drafting a star big man, there is really only one guy I think is ready to be a star big man from day one and that is cousins. Everyone else has potential, but is either to skinny, to passive, or too raw. Cousins is big, strong, aggressive, and relatively polished for a big man coming out of college. And from the way things are going, he may be available at 5 anyways. If Kings need a bigman then why trade up. Wall is likely to go 1. Turner could go 2-3 (philly will likely trade down or draft favors). Nets wont want a C because they already have brook lopez who is better than anyone in the draft at his position. TWolves are said to be loving the guy from Wesley Johnson from Syracuse and have Love and Al (who may be traded).

Quite frankly, I dont think the Kings need to draft a big...there are plenty of good bigs available in free ageny. The kings major need a perimeter player who works well off of Tyreke and can be a playmaker, because that is sorely lacking in sac. That is the entire point of trying to move to #2 (to get Turner). If we can keep #5 great, but I dont see that as a possibility. Why exactly do they need to draft a big? Landy was putting up 18ppg for the kings and pulling 6rebound (which will go up next year). JT was putting up 12ppg 8.5rebounds and 1blk. These are both very young guys with a long career ahead of them. I think JT can improve big time if they stop screwing with his minutes (keep moving between him and a scrub like Hawes at the starting C). They have scoring and can get better defensive and rebounding bigs like Haywood on the relatively cheap ($4-5M). But to get a playmaker who makes tyreke more dangerous (keeps defenders honest and can be effective on kicks outs but also can take over a game if Evans is off his game). Quite frankly, I was very dissapointed in Casspi towards the end of the season. He peaked in december and his season was actually down hill from there in virtually all areas. Greene has some potential but is wildly inconsistent and hasnt fully gotten his head in the game. Neither has allstar written on them. Neither is a playmaker or can make others better. Neither plays particularly good defense. Both are quality bench players but really nothing more at this point.

 

[imabored]

Rudy Gay is a restricted free agent. You dont need to sign and trade for him, you just have to out bid Memphis (where zbo is actually now their main guy). They have a 4.4M qualifier.

who's to say rudy gay wants to come here? also, the owner of the gizz has said that they will re-sign him which means they will probably match whatever any team is offering.

 

[cwebb2002]

That shouldnt stop the Kings from making a strong push for him. The Cavs say they will sign lebron by whatever means necessary, doesnt mean he's gonna stay. Miami says the same about Wade. If you make a push you may land him because, quite frankly, going forward, the Kings will have better pieces in place than Memphis.

 

[rainmaker]

Quite frankly, I dont think the Kings need to draft a big...there are plenty of good bigs available in free ageny. The kings major need a perimeter player who works well off of Tyreke and can be a playmaker, because that is sorely lacking in sac. That is the entire point of trying to move to #2 (to get Turner). If we can keep #5 great, but I dont see that as a possibility. Why exactly do they need to draft a big? Landy was putting up 18ppg for the kings and pulling 6rebound (which will go up next year). JT was putting up 12ppg 8.5rebounds and 1blk. These are both very young guys with a long career ahead of them. I think JT can improve big time if they stop screwing with his minutes (keep moving between him and a scrub like Hawes at the starting C). They have scoring and can get better defensive and rebounding bigs like Haywood on the relatively cheap ($4-5M). But to get a playmaker who makes tyreke more dangerous (keeps defenders honest and can be effective on kicks outs but also can take over a game if Evans is off his game). Quite frankly, I was very dissapointed in Casspi towards the end of the season. He peaked in december and his season was actually down hill from there in virtually all areas. Greene has some potential but is wildly inconsistent and hasnt fully gotten his head in the game. Neither has allstar written on them. Neither is a playmaker or can make others better. Neither plays particularly good defense. Both are quality bench players but really nothing more at this point.

First off, I don't know where you get the idea there are plently of available bigs that can help our team, or that we can outright sign as a FA. The 2011 FA class has many more bigs, and they will be cheaper because of the CBA.

In regards to big men in this draft, this draft has more talented bigs than any draft class in recent memory. i would have no problem trading up for Turner. But I have a problem with the way you talk about the upside of Landry and JT, and are quick to point out JT is young, and with consistent minutes, his numbers should go up. Why not extend that same line of thinking to Omri and Donte? They are even younger, have less expereince than either JT or Landry, yet you are quick to give up on them. Are you holding Omri and Donte to a higher standard than JT? Because thats how it looks.

And how can you say neither plays defense? Have you watched Donte? Have you noticed his improvement on defense over the past year? Neither Jt or Landy has "allstar" written on them. But you want to keep them, and are comfortable enough with them to not draft a big. Donte has more talent, and is the best defender, out of all of them. I just can't get over the fact the excuses you make for Landry and JT don't apply to a younger and more inexperienced Donte and Omri. You are disappointed in Omri because he fell off half way through the season, his rookie season, with all the international pressure on him, and the fact he outplayed the majority of rookies drafted ahead of him. But you're fine with JT, who played 4 years of college, 2 years in hte nba, and still continues to make bone-headed plays on a regular basis.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

First off, I don't know where you get the idea there are plently of available bigs that can help our team, or that we can outright sign as a FA. The 2011 FA class has many more bigs, and they will be cheaper because of the CBA.

I just can't get over the fact the excuses you make for Landry and JT don't apply to a younger and more inexperienced Donte and Omri. You are disappointed in Omri because he fell off half way through the season, his rookie season, with all the international pressure on him, and the fact he outplayed the majority of rookies drafted ahead of him. But you're fine with JT, who played 4 years of college, 2 years in hte nba, and still continues to make bone-headed plays on a regular basis.

Bingo. Perfectly stated. Posts like cwebb's that you're replying to really make me question the sanity and logic of those who want Rudy Gay on this team. How willing they are to dump our precious cap space (which will likely be even harder to create after the new CBA) on the single position on this team that is even remotely close to being addressed.

 

[est.1999]

I really don't think I'm down with brand and his contract. And it's not so much the contract, especially if we deal nocioni(pipe dream anyways), it's that he can't really play anymore.

 

[cwebb2002]

First off, I don't know where you get the idea there are plently of available bigs that can help our team, or that we can outright sign as a FA. The 2011 FA class has many more bigs, and they will be cheaper because of the CBA.

In regards to big men in this draft, this draft has more talented bigs than any draft class in recent memory. i would have no problem trading up for Turner. But I have a problem with the way you talk about the upside of Landry and JT, and are quick to point out JT is young, and with consistent minutes, his numbers should go up. Why not extend that same line of thinking to Omri and Donte? They are even younger, have less expereince than either JT or Landry, yet you are quick to give up on them. Are you holding Omri and Donte to a higher standard than JT? Because thats how it looks.

And how can you say neither plays defense? Have you watched Donte? Have you noticed his improvement on defense over the past year? Neither Jt or Landy has "allstar" written on them. But you want to keep them, and are comfortable enough with them to not draft a big. Donte has more talent, and is the best defender, out of all of them. I just can't get over the fact the excuses you make for Landry and JT don't apply to a younger and more inexperienced Donte and Omri. You are disappointed in Omri because he fell off half way through the season, his rookie season, with all the international pressure on him, and the fact he outplayed the majority of rookies drafted ahead of him. But you're fine with JT, who played 4 years of college, 2 years in hte nba, and still continues to make bone-headed plays on a regular basis.

Firstly, I am high on Landry, though would have no problems trading JT for better talent. I put him in the exact same category as Casspi. As for Greene, read the post, he has potential but hasnt got his head in the game yet...meaning that, while I'm not ready to give up on him, I do think he needs more time to develop, meaning that until he does, the SF position is not very solid. While I'm not writing off Casspi, he is simply not in the same league as Gay. As for Landry, he is the second most efficient player the kings have, an 18ppg 7-8rpg player currently, and every single season his numbers have improved in the league. Was a contender for 6th man of the year until he became a starter in Sac, and among the league leaders in 4th quarter points.

I'd say there is no position other than PG, and PF that are actually addressed with any satisfaction (I consider Evans the PG given that he is the one with the ball in his hand). PF with landry starting and JT backing him is a comfortable senario. There are good free agent bigs in this FA class. If you want to wait till 2011 to get one, be my guest, but I see Cs in this class that will be solid defenders and shot blockers for relatively cheap.

I am not saying that Kings shouldnt draft a big...I'm all for getting Cousins if he's available. My point is that a sidekick for Tyreke on the perimeter is far more pressing because you do have 2 players that are capable of putting in 15ppg in the frontcourt already. Weather the sidekick is Turner (at 2) or Gay through FA, both are positive aquisitions. Infact, it is financially feasible (however unlikely) that you could get both if enough work was put forth.

As for spending precious cap space, lets get real. Who are you holding out for? LBJ? Wade? Bosh? They aren't coming to Sacramento. You have to get guys while there is an oppurtunity. Gay ranked 6th among SF in scoring (19.6), 7th in rebounds (5.9), 5th in steals (1.5), 6th in blocks (0.8). He is all star level talent that could be aquired by Sacramento, but if the Kings arent going to pay players, then get used to being the lottery for years, because even the players that the Kings draft will be walking away once their contracts are up. This isnt 2002 where you could surround new aquisitions with Divac, Webber, Bibby, and BJax. There is a limited amount of talent on the current roster. You have cap space, use it to improve the team with good young players that have yet to hit their ceilings. Getting Gay wont break the bank and you could potentially (depending on the various trades) still be at or around the cap (even under if kings dont go for the 2nd pick).

 

[bajaden]

Firstly, I am high on Landry, though would have no problems trading JT for better talent. I put him in the exact same category as Casspi. As for Greene, read the post, he has potential but hasnt got his head in the game yet...meaning that, while I'm not ready to give up on him, I do think he needs more time to develop, meaning that until he does, the SF position is not very solid. While I'm not writing off Casspi, he is simply not in the same league as Gay. As for Landry, he is the second most efficient player the kings have, an 18ppg 7-8rpg player currently, and every single season his numbers have improved in the league. Was a contender for 6th man of the year until he became a starter in Sac, and among the league leaders in 4th quarter points.

I'd say there is no position other than PG, and PF that are actually addressed with any satisfaction (I consider Evans the PG given that he is the one with the ball in his hand). PF with landry starting and JT backing him is a comfortable senario. There are good free agent bigs in this FA class. If you want to wait till 2011 to get one, be my guest, but I see Cs in this class that will be solid defenders and shot blockers for relatively cheap.

I am not saying that Kings shouldnt draft a big...I'm all for getting Cousins if he's available. My point is that a sidekick for Tyreke on the perimeter is far more pressing because you do have 2 players that are capable of putting in 15ppg in the frontcourt already. Weather the sidekick is Turner (at 2) or Gay through FA, both are positive aquisitions. Infact, it is financially feasible (however unlikely) that you could get both if enough work was put forth.

As for spending precious cap space, lets get real. Who are you holding out for? LBJ? Wade? Bosh? They aren't coming to Sacramento. You have to get guys while there is an oppurtunity. Gay ranked 6th among SF in scoring (19.6), 7th in rebounds (5.9), 5th in steals (1.5), 6th in blocks (0.8). He is all star level talent that could be aquired by Sacramento, but if the Kings arent going to pay players, then get used to being the lottery for years, because even the players that the Kings draft will be walking away once their contracts are up. This isnt 2002 where you could surround new aquisitions with Divac, Webber, Bibby, and BJax. There is a limited amount of talent on the current roster. You have cap space, use it to improve the team with good young players that have yet to hit their ceilings. Getting Gay wont break the bank and you could potentially (depending on the various trades) still be at or around the cap (even under if kings dont go for the 2nd pick).

I started a thread based on waiting till the 2011 offseason to use our cap space. Number one, the talent pool that offseason is much better than this years. Number two, with the new CBA agreement and a lockout looking like a certainity, its possible that the Kings could get the same player at half the price once the new agreement kicks in. So blowing all our cap space now, without knowing what the new rules are going to be could be a very dangerous move.

Example: Say we do sign Gay for the 14 mil he'll want, and after everything is said and done, our salaries come to 55 mil for the year. And then what if the new agreement has a hard cap of 54 mil the year after. Or lets say 55 mil. So now Hawes salary is up and we also have another draft pick and the year after Greene And Casspi salaries are up. The Kings would have very little money to work with. No money to sign any new players and possibly be in a situation where they start losing the players they have.

I'm not saying this will happen. But it could. So until we know what the new rules are, I think its prudent to be careful. And if were going to take a big risk, then do it on a big star. Which Gay is not. And may never be.

 

[Sac.1989]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/05/evan-turner-may-not-be-the-second-pick/

Evan Turner May Not Be The Second Pick

Keith Pompey checks in from Chicago, and he says that Evan Turner is not the definite selection with the No. 2 pick and that the Sixers may move the pick: “Sixers president and general manager Ed Stefanski said using the second overall pick on Ohio State swingman Evan Turner in next month’s NBA draft is not a lock. If Kentucky point guard John Wall and Turner are off the board, the New Jersey Nets are expected to take Favors at No. 3. ‘We will review the whole draft like we’ve done all year long,’ Stefanski said. ‘We will watch film on a whole lot of people and we will come down with a conclusion.’

“One trade rumor that briefly circulated here involved the Sixers and the Minnesota Timberwolves. The Timberwolves want Turner and would give the Sixers their No. 4 and No. 16 picks in exchange for the second pick.

“‘I won’t comment on our trade talks or to the teams that we are talking to or to do our business in the newspaper,’ Stefanski said of the [trade] rumor. ‘What I will tell the fans is that we will listen to anything. But obviously, that will have to be a strong deal to give up the second pick in the draft.’”

 

[Spike]

“One trade rumor that briefly circulated here involved the Sixers and the Minnesota Timberwolves. The Timberwolves want Turner and would give the Sixers their No. 4 and No. 16 picks in exchange for the second pick.

You take that and run!

 

[cwebb2002]

While it would work well for Minnesota, I wonder would they really be willing to take on brands contract? If not, I dont see why Philly would move their pick.

Bajaden, I see your point, but what why then trade picks with Philly, when again you are taking on a max contract, but this time on a player who (though has been very productive in the past) just can produce anymore? Granted, you will end up with Turner, you would have situation due to brand's contract in that your salary cap issue would be very similar to what I proposed. If they take Nocioni and a smaller salary (Hawes lets say) then I can see it working, but without the Kings offsetting at least 8million of his salary by sending some salaries back, I dont see much advantage. I'd say take your chances in the draft.

 

[bajaden]

While it would work well for Minnesota, I wonder would they really be willing to take on brands contract? If not, I dont see why Philly would move their pick.

Bajaden, I see your point, but what why then trade picks with Philly, when again you are taking on a max contract, but this time on a player who (though has been very productive in the past) just can produce anymore? Granted, you will end up with Turner, you would have situation due to brand's contract in that your salary cap issue would be very similar to what I proposed. If they take Nocioni and a smaller salary (Hawes lets say) then I can see it working, but without the Kings offsetting at least 8million of his salary by sending some salaries back, I dont see much advantage. I'd say take your chances in the draft.

Well with Nocioni you would be right at 7 mil. I think he's going to make 6.85 mil next season. Hawes contract is right at 3 mil next season. So when you combine the two your right at 10 mil. At that point I don't see as much advantage for the 76ers to do the deal. They're not saving enough to make it worth their while.

By taking back just Nocioni they save a hair over 9 mil. So Nocioni would be gone, and we would have an additional 9 mil on the books. The 2nd pick in the draft will make $3,835,600.00. We would still retain the 5th pick in the draft, and that would cost us $2,812,200.00. When you add both those picks to the rounded out number of 9mil from the Brand deal, it would all come to $15,647,800.00 That number would represent the salaries of three players, two of them high draft picks under contract for 4 more years at a relatively cheap salary.

If you don't do the deal and just sign Gay as a freeagent. His max would be right around 14 mil. Again rounded out. After adding the salary of our 5th pick both salaries would come to $16,812,200.00. So at that point you would have that amount of money representing the salaries of two players. One for 4 years and one for 5 years. The three year deal would leave us with something close to 8.5 mil in cap space and the two player deal with Gay would leave us with around 6.2 mil in cap space.

So the bottom line would be that in one scenario you might end up with Turner, Cousins and Brand, and have 8.5 mil left over. In the other scenario you might end up with Gay and Cousins, and have 6.2 mil left over. Now maybe its just me, and as much as I might like Gay, we would still have Greene and Casspi on the team after the Brand deal. So I'd rather have Turner, Cousins and Brand with more money left over. Your just getting more bang for the buck.

 

[Sac.1989]

also talk that the 76ers will give the 2nd pick to whoever will take brand off there hands, now that is a massive gamble for any team

 

[cwebb2002]

Do you really think they will not want at least the 5th pick in return for taking nocioni back? they are sorely in need of a big man of some talent.

 

[mr. moustache]

No way 76r's deal the 2nd pick without getting another/more picks in the Brand deal. Their fans would set fire to the arena if they trade Turner for cap relief.

also talk that the 76ers will give the 2nd pick to whoever will take brand off there hands, now that is a massive gamble for any team

 

[Megalodon]

Then I would not do this. Just let them find some other fool to take that atrocious contract

 

[funkykingston]

No way 76r's deal the 2nd pick without getting another/more picks in the Brand deal. Their fans would set fire to the arena if they trade Turner for cap relief.

I question whether there's any real truth to this rumor too. But if there is, who cares what Philly fans will think. Send them a couple young, non-essential players (Hawes and Casspi? Landry and Cisco?) and take back that awful contract.

Again, the best aspect of a deal like this is that Brand's contract will run out before Evans is due for his big payday. And during the last year of his deal, Brand's expiring contract could be a very big barganing chip for a team that (if things have gone right) is taking steps towards being a playoff contender.

 

[mr. moustache]

I'm all for absorbing that crappy contract for the 2nd pick. I just think the 76ers aren't going to do it without getting something good in return. If we're talking Casspi + JT instead of nothing, then I think they might do a deal to get rid of that contract.

I question whether there's any real truth to this rumor too. But if there is, who cares what Philly fans will think. Send them a couple young, non-essential players (Hawes and Casspi? Landry and Cisco?) and take back that awful contract.

Again, the best aspect of a deal like this is that Brand's contract will run out before Evans is due for his big payday. And during the last year of his deal, Brand's expiring contract could be a very big barganing chip for a team that (if things have gone right) is taking steps towards being a playoff contender.

 

[funkykingston]

I'm all for absorbing that crappy contract for the 2nd pick. I just think the 76ers aren't going to do it without getting something good in return. If we're talking Casspi + JT instead of nothing, then I think they might do a deal to get rid of that contract.

They'll certainly want something in return. If this really is something they are trying to do then I think they'd ask for Thompson and Casspi because both are young players with upside who are locked up for a couple more years with very reasonable contracts Personally I'd rather give up Landry than Thompson because of JT's size, relative youth and upside and because Landry will require a significan upgrade in salary to retain after next season.

 

[JB_kings]

It might only be really two full years and either a partial year or none at all with the lockout. So the net impact may only be 2/3 as much. And getting a long term prospect like Turner has some definite appeal.

 

[bajaden]

I'm all for absorbing that crappy contract for the 2nd pick. I just think the 76ers aren't going to do it without getting something good in return. If we're talking Casspi + JT instead of nothing, then I think they might do a deal to get rid of that contract.

Just curious. Why would a team give up a good player to take on a contract that Philly trying to get rid of. Yeah, you getting a good player at number 2, but you'd be giving away a good player in the process and have a ton of money added to your cap.

 

[bajaden]

They'll certainly want something in return. If this really is something they are trying to do then I think they'd ask for Thompson and Casspi because both are young players with upside who are locked up for a couple more years with very reasonable contracts Personally I'd rather give up Landry than Thompson because of JT's size, relative youth and upside and because Landry will require a significan upgrade in salary to retain after next season.

OK, I'll try again. Philly calls up and says. We would like to unload Brands contract and you have the space to absorb it. What do you say. I answer, well, whats in it for me, because I don't really need Brand. And they say, well, how about we give you the number 2 pick in the draft and we'll take the 5th pick, Oh, and by the way, we need you to throw Casspi and Thompson in as well. And I say to them. Go take a fricking hike!

Why in god's name would the Kings give up the equivilent of three players and take on 15 mil in salary of a player they don't even want, just to get the 2nd pick in the draft?

 

[gunks]

OK, I'll try again. Philly calls up and says. We would like to unload Brands contract and you have the space to absorb it. What do you say. I answer, well, whats in it for me, because I don't really need Brand. And they say, well, how about we give you the number 2 pick in the draft and we'll take the 5th pick, Oh, and by the way, we need you to throw Casspi and Thompson in as well. And I say to them. Go take a fricking hike!

Why in god's name would the Kings give up the equivilent of three players and take on 15 mil in salary of a player they don't even want, just to get the 2nd pick in the draft?

Co-Sign.

If we're getting stuck with Brand in a pick switch, then Philly can take Hawes and Noc, not JT and Casspi.