Trade Deadline Thread

The_Jamal said:
O'Neale would make a ton of sense as a secondary aquisiton to a big fish like Sabonis or Randle. But grabbing just O'Neale and expecting that to turn things around would be very Kangz
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Yep.

Sabonis/Randle
Jerami Grant (?)
O'Neale
Tyrese
Mitchell

would be a very win-now-ey starting lineup. You back that up with a bench of Holmes (or whoever you'd get in a trade for him), Jones, Harkless, Butler, whoever and you'd probably still have a chance to scratch and claw your way back up the ninth or eight seed in this year's play-in.
 
The_Jamal said:
Absolutely. He's been hurt all year and working his way back from injury which is why his numbers have declined so much, but he was still incredibly good on both ends last year. The thesis from the Bogi trade hasn't changed; just a quality 2-way player the Kings need more of.
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I guess the main question there would be how willing we'd be to lock up money in a 25 year old guard at the start of what I'd assume would be a rebuild (though certainly he's good enough to contribute to a win now scenario too).

A Tyrese/DDV/Mitchell three man guard rotation (with Butler thrown in?) would be a solid mix of playmaking and defense and a good place to start from in any retooling.
 
Bosnian Diehard said:
Listening to Amick’s interview on KHTK this morning was quite saddening. He made it sound like we basically won’t do anything of note at the deadline which completely baffles me.
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That effectively means we're in on the tank, evaluating the players we have, and making moves in the offseason.

I am more than ok with that. I fear any deals we make unless it's for Turner are "win now" moves which would be a disaster.
Let's play Fox, Hali and Mitchell together when all are healthy the rest of the way out and see what happens.
 
gunks said:
the tank crowd is also the "do something Monte!" crowd. I'm happy to ride this tragic season out and get that high pick. Maybe Monte won't get ****** on a good trade by external forces for once and set us up this summer.
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Twitter is even worse. It amazes me that some of the pro-Hinkie people are the least patient folks here.
This team sucks sucks sucks. I'm not watching the games but I'm here for it.
 
Randle for Barnes straight up works in tge trade machine.

Holmes is redundant, so maybe try to package him and Buddy for Grant?

Hali, Fox, Grant, Randle, Queta/DJ/Len?
 
pdxKingsFan said:
That effectively means we're in on the tank, evaluating the players we have, and making moves in the offseason.

I am more than ok with that. I fear any deals we make unless it's for Turner are "win now" moves which would be a disaster.
Let's play Fox, Hali and Mitchell together when all are healthy the rest of the way out and see what happens.
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Don't think we need any more evidence to know that Hali, Fox, and Mitchell ain't going to work. One of the three needs to go.
 
Tetsujin said:
Yep.

Sabonis/Randle
Jerami Grant (?)
O'Neale
Tyrese
Mitchell

would be a very win-now-ey starting lineup. You back that up with a bench of Holmes (or whoever you'd get in a trade for him), Jones, Harkless, Butler, whoever and you'd probably still have a chance to scratch and claw your way back up the ninth or eight seed in this year's play-in.
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If we put a team like that together I'd much rather do it with a new coach having some say and finding out if we win a top 3 pick in the lotto before committing to it. Why on earth would we jeopardize our draft chances or trade a pick when we are among the bottom 5 in the league. How can Vivek not get that a one and done playoff appearance and becoming the T-Wolves might get you out of the papers for "futility" but long term is even worse?
 
Joshoua said:
Why is it a bad move fox for Sabonis?
Sabonis is a 20/12/5 guy gives us scoring with elite rebounding and passing at the center spot. Haliburton is an elite shooter we can run pick and rolls with both guys as well as putting the ball in saboinis hands at the top of the key with Hali doing off ball stuff. He’s not a good defender but he could be passable finding 3D guys is the easy part

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/report-wizards-interested-in-domantas-sabonis

Not only can Sabonis hit cutters, he has a way of prying guys open with (off-ball) screens and handoffs. He's lead the NBA in screen assists in 2 of the last 3 seasons. His off-ball partnership with Justin Holiday has been the NBA's best this year; the Pacers are generating over 1.4 points per possession on direct hookups between the two, per Second Spectrum
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It's called lateral moves on paper. It could work but I still very much doubt a center like Sabonis taking a team to the promised land if Fox can't. A tweener 4/5 isn't the way to rings right now. I think building a team around two pick and roll guards might even be easier than that.
 
Tetsujin said:
Yep.

Sabonis/Randle
Jerami Grant (?)
O'Neale
Tyrese
Mitchell

would be a very win-now-ey starting lineup. You back that up with a bench of Holmes (or whoever you'd get in a trade for him), Jones, Harkless, Butler, whoever and you'd probably still have a chance to scratch and claw your way back up the ninth or eight seed in this year's play-in.
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Now, if they ended up with that lineup at the end of it I wouldn't be too mad. I think that's got potential to be interesting. Obviously Sabonis over Randle though.
 
Folsomkingsfan said:
I get not trading players who have low to no value like Hield, Bagley, and Fox. But you’re telling me you can’t find one trade out there for Harrison Barnes?
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It wouldn't surprise me if there aren't a lot of teams who want to trade for a guy making $23 million that would be the 4th-ish best player on the team. On top of that, if we wanna get younger (tank) or upgrade Barnes (win now), you're not gonna find a lot of deals that work because younger guys won't make that much will require a lot more than Barnes in return. There's just a disconnect between how much he makes and his value as a trade asset.

And I'm sure it's much less than the offseason, but Fox has "low to no value" now?
 
Barnes and Buddy are both on team friendly (aka declining) deals and Buddy is cheaper than what signing a 3 point specialist in the offseason will run you. Are you going to get a star? No, you will get an expiring deal and a pick in the 20-30 range most likely. Maybe you get lucky and it's 15-20.
 
miltonap said:
New Orleans interested in Fox apparently

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I think that ankle just got a little bit more sore. haha. Monte hopefully realizes he's boxing himself even tigher between that rock and the hard place. He ran a bad situation back last summer under Walton, and it wasn't good after clearly not being smart in the first place. This will be even worse. Can't afford to sit now. Trouble is, I don't think we are going to see much of anything. More sitting, more sinking.
 
miltonap said:
New Orleans interested in Fox apparently

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Oo this is interesting. Because you could 2 separate ways with NOP for a "stay competitive package" (Basically Fox for BI base) or a rebuild package with all their FRP's. I guess the only issue with the rebuild is you aren't getting a good young player back too, but would like Herb/Murphy/2 FRP seems like a pretty ok enough haul if you felt forced to deal him now?
 
miltonap said:
New Orleans interested in Fox apparently

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They should trade for Lonzo oh wait

If they want Fox we should do everything in our power to get Ingram give them fox, Bagley and multiple first round picks whatever it takes
 
Joshoua said:
They should trade for Lonzo oh wait

If they want Fox we should do everything in our power to get Ingram give them fox, Bagley and multiple first round picks whatever it takes
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Ingram is good, but this is why Monte set his team up to fail miserably by bringing Walton back and attempting to again usurp Fox's role as true lead guard. Could have had a kings ransom, no pun intended, if they kept Fox shining.
 
SacTownKid said:
Ingram is good, but this is why Monte set his team up to fail miserably by bringing Walton back and attempting to again usurp Fox's role as true lead guard. Could have had a kings ransom, no pun intended, if they kept Fox shining.
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I still don't think it was Monte's call to bring Walton back. He wouldn't have fired him 17 games into the season if he wanted to tie his boat to him, especially after a strong first 10 games from the Kings.
 
SacTownKid said:
Ingram is good, but this is why Monte set his team up to fail miserably by bringing Walton back and attempting to again usurp Fox's role as true lead guard. Could have had a kings ransom, no pun intended, if they kept Fox shining.
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I give Monte a C grade thus far, but Fox bulking up, shooting 25% from 3, and 75% from the line is entirely on Fox.
 
The_Jamal said:
I still don't think it was Monte's call to bring Walton back. He wouldn't have fired him 17 games into the season if he wanted to tie his boat to him, especially after a strong first 10 games from the Kings.
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That's a safe assumption at this point, but even so, it's on his rep and watch. All we heard was it was his decision so it is what it is. In 10 years he can release a tell all and set the record straight, haha.
 
kb02 said:
I give Monte a C grade thus far, but Fox bulking up, shooting 25% from 3, and 75% from the line is entirely on Fox.
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His role adjusted. His role adjusted back what, after Gentry took over? And numbers started to correct before he went down. That's a fact at this point. Use him other than as a lead guard and expect less value.
 
I don't see the Pelicans dealing BI for Fox, but if that's there you have to pursue it.

If you want a "we're not tanking, but yeah, we're kind of tanking" trade:

Fox and Woodard for Hart, Satoransky, Jones and a protected FRP.

Satoransky is just an ender but Hart and Jones would fit well in a rebuild focused around Haliburton (and to a lesser extent Mitchell) and you're accumulating another first round pick.
 
kb02 said:
I give Monte a C grade thus far, but Fox bulking up, shooting 25% from 3, and 75% from the line is entirely on Fox.
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C is fair enough, I think I'd be at a B at this point, with the caveat if his deadline is bad, I'll drop the grade significantly. No matter what direction it is, it's just so clear the Kings can't keep running this team back with any expectation to push for a play-in, or adequately tank.

But I think he's won in the draft with 2 starters (Hali very much looking like he can get to all-star level) and a serious investment in developmental prospects. Metu/Jones are good back-up bigs found for nothing. And I do think we'll get at least one more rotation player out of Ramsey/King/Woodard/Queta with their player profiles. A for me

Trades and FA have been a C. Nothing really of consequence in either direction. The TT trade was by far his worst move, but still not super impactful for winning or losing. Davis was a good cost-controlled pick-up. I think Len and Harkless are good depth pieces, although always thought Len was a strange pick-up with Jones on board and I think we had traded for TT already (don't remember the sequencing there). His first summer was a miss with Grob/Whiteside bringing nothing. But he also hasn't actively sabotaged the future like Vlade did right out of the gate, which is appreciated.

Also the theory behind his trades have been good, just gotten kind of unlucky with strange scenarios playing out. LeBron nixing the Buddy trade. The Bucks being super dumb with the DDV trade. I like that we came out early saying we're out on Simmons so they can't use us for leverage.
 
Joshoua said:
I know I just didn’t read a couple people say they’d trade for weak ass Randle over Sabonis
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I definitely think he's more attainable than Sabonis, especially since we want to keep Fox and Hali. You can't deny that's a pretty dynamic trio right there. PnR with either guard and Randle is pretty potent. He can also face up, has a decent outside shot, and can run in transition.
 
funkykingston said:
I don't see the Pelicans dealing BI for Fox, but if that's there you have to pursue it.

If you want a "we're not tanking, but yeah, we're kind of tanking" trade:

Fox and Woodard for Hart, Satoransky, Jones and a protected FRP.

Satoransky is just an ender but Hart and Jones would fit well in a rebuild focused around Haliburton (and to a lesser extent Mitchell) and you're accumulating another first round pick.
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I think this is selling Fox way short. Got to get Murphy and/or another FRP in there and then I think we're talking. Herb Jones, as nice as he's been, can't be the sole focus of a Fox trade. Would be a disaster.
 
The_Jamal said:
I think this is selling Fox way short. Got to get Murphy and/or another FRP in there and then I think we're talking. Herb Jones, as nice as he's been, can't be the sole focus of a Fox trade. Would be a disaster.
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Hart has some value too, but it's really the FRP (currently #8) along with Jones that are the primary pieces. I looked at it and thought it was selling low on Fox too, but the more I considered it, the more I realize that it is probably market value at this point.

If you want to tank, I think those are the kinds of deals that are reasonable. The closest comparison to Fox in recent deals might be Jrue Holiday. He was dealt for 3 FRPs, pick swaps and salary filler but those were also FRPs from the Bucks with Giannis. Unless he forces his way out of Milwaukee, those picks will likely be in the 20's at least. But a top ten pick and two solid role players for a good, but not great player who has yet to make an all-star team? That is unfortunately where we're at.
 
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