Top 5 FA you'd like to see the Kings pursue

[RookieOfTheDay]

Not really in order...

Tyson Chandler - Cousins/Chandler would be a great duo.

Jeff Green - Averaged 15 and 5 as the third option on the Thunder. Would make a great starting SF for the Kings.

Wilson Chandler - Underrated player. Would also make a great starting SF for the Kings.

Marc Gasol - Would probably be hard to away from Memphis but would be worth it. Really good player. Plus, how cool would it be to have Gasol's brother on the team when the Kings play the Lakers?

Glen Davis - Boston may be in somewhat of a rebuild mode after this season, so he may be fairly easy to get. Would ad toughness and size.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I assume you're not counting Dalembert and Thornton?

My list would be
Dalembert
Thornton (R)
Wilson Chandler (R)
Prince
Kirilenko

I think. I had to put together 10 and drop 5 guys off the list.

 

[rainmaker]

It's almost impossible to answer before knowing where we're drafting, and if Dally is/isn't returning. But guys I'd be interested in.

Nene
AK
Prince
Green(RFA)
Dudley(RFA)
Afflalo(RFA)

Battier
Pietrus
Watson
Bogans
Horford-if atl wouldn't match and Dally leaves

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I assume you're not counting Dalembert and Thornton?

My list would be
Dalembert
Thornton (R)
Wilson Chandler (R)
Prince
Kirilenko

I think. I had to put together 10 and drop 5 guys off the list.

I definitely want Thornton back. I'm not as high on Dalembert as others are. I'd rather let him walk and make a serious run at Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol. Chandler is very doable too because the Mavericks don't have any cap room so it'd be easy to outbid them.

 

[funkykingston]

I definitely want Thornton back. I'm not as high on Dalembert as others are. I'd rather let him walk and make a serious run at Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol. Chandler is very doable too because the Mavericks don't have any cap room so it'd be easy to outbid them.

The Mavericks have Chandler's Bird Rights. Unless something changes in the new CBA, they can (and will) exceed the cap to sign him.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

The Mavericks have Chandler's Bird Rights. Unless something changes in the new CBA, they can (and will) exceed the cap to sign him.

I thought a player had to be on a team two or three seasons for them to have bird rights.

 

[Spike]

I definitely want Thornton back. I'm not as high on Dalembert as others are. I'd rather let him walk and make a serious run at Tyson Chandler or Marc Gasol. Chandler is very doable too because the Mavericks don't have any cap room so it'd be easy to outbid them.

Dalembert ≥ Chandler.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Dalembert ≥ Chandler.

How so? Numbers wise their pretty close (about 8 and 8) but Chandler is younger and has a better FG%.

 

[DesertFox]

Chandler's injury history cancels out his advantage in athleticism. He's better on the offensive glass and defending screens but doesn't protect the basket nearly as well. It's almost a wash, and already we know Dalembert works here.

I actually detest Dalembert's game but have to admit he fits on this team.

 

[Bricklayer]

How so? Numbers wise their pretty close (about 8 and 8) but Chandler is younger and has a better FG%.

He's all of 1 year younger.

And the FG% is a two edged sword. Its always very high for Chandler because he does nothing but convert alley oops. Good that he plays within himself, but Dalembert showed a MUCH superior post game, and even threw in some surprising passing last year.

If we were to lose Daly Chandler would be the most appropriate replacement, but when you've already got a guy and know he works with your team there is no need to run around randomly breaking that up for a slight upgrade at best.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Chandler's injury history cancels out his advantage in athleticism. He's better on the offensive glass and defending screens but doesn't protect the basket nearly as well. It's almost a wash, and already we know Dalembert works here.

I actually detest Dalembert's game but have to admit he fits on this team.

Maybe that's my problem, I just can't get past his game. If he'd just stick to blocking and rebounding, I'd probably like him more. But he shoots too much and the guy puts up some really ugly shots. And then...there's all the goaltends. Does he lead the league in goaltends? He must.

 

[DesertFox]

Maybe that's my problem, I just can't get past his game. If he'd just stick to blocking and rebounding, I'd probably like him more. But he shoots too much and the guy puts up some really ugly shots. And then...there's all the goaltends. Does he lead the league in goaltends? He must.

I cringe a little every time he makes first turnaround jumper, because I know he's going to try it the rest of the game.

And I 've never seen a player take so many defensive rebounds from his own teammates. It hasn't hurt the team yet, but there's been quite a few balls that he's knocked from his teammates and nearly out of bounds.

But the dude kills penetration and keeps possessions alive. You give some to get some.

 

[Bricklayer]

Maybe that's my problem, I just can't get past his game. If he'd just stick to blocking and rebounding, I'd probably like him more. But he shoots too much and the guy puts up some really ugly shots. And then...there's all the goaltends. Does he lead the league in goaltends? He must.

Goaltends are almost irrelevant. That was a stupid point when it was raised initiailly, Its still stupid. If you stop or alter 6 shots a game, and goaltend one shot a game, then you are still a +5.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Goaltends are almost irrelevant. That was a stupid point when it was raised initiailly, Its still stupid. If you stop or alter 6 shots a game, and goaltend one shot a game, then you are still a +5.

Gifting the other team 2 points is almost irrelevant? Sorry, but i gotta disagree. What it does is bring his 1.5 BPG down a little when you factor in the free points you're giving away in goaltends.

 

[funkykingston]

How so? Numbers wise their pretty close (about 8 and 8) but Chandler is younger and has a better FG%.

Chandler plays within himself much more than Dalembert. His points come on dropoffs in the paint, running the break and putbacks and otherwise he focuses on rebounding and defending/blocking shots. That said, he also gets pushed around inside easier than Dalembert, has a shaky injury history and most importantly, is already on a contending team that wants to keep him.

I thought a player had to be on a team two or three seasons for them to have bird rights.

Nope. Bird rights move with a player when traded. He simply has to have played under the same contract for 3 years or more (Chandler is finishing up a six year deal originally given to him by the Bulls) and the team that he plays for when the contract ends has his Bird Rights. So the Mavs can pay whatever they'd like (up to a max deal) to keep Chandler.

I'd say, unless the new CBA changes that, but my guess is that existing contracts will be grandfathered in.

 

[JB_kings]

I wouldn't mind Chandler on the Kings... Wilson Chandler. Might be the nice fit at SF the Kings need. Very good athlete and can play consistent defense on the perimeter and in the post. He's a good help defender and can even guard the quicker twos. Plus he's a very down to earth guy that is very stable.

 

[bajaden]

I thought a player had to be on a team two or three seasons for them to have bird rights.

I'm not sure of Chandlers contract history, and I'm too lazy right now to look it up. But when you trade a player, your trading his contract. If that contract was originally for more than 3 years, then you also inherit his Bird rights along with the contract. Which is probably the case here, unless he signed a lesser contract within the last 2 years.

Yes, I've taken you off my ignore list. Not sure that you care, but anyone thats a friend of Carmichael Dave's has to be OK. Unless he only likes you when he's drunk.

 

[King-Da-Yah]

I'm not sure of Chandlers contract history, and I'm too lazy right now to look it up. But when you trade a player, your trading his contract. If that contract was originally for more than 3 years, then you also inherit his Bird rights along with the contract. Which is probably the case here, unless he signed a lesser contract within the last 2 years.

Yes, I've taken you off my ignore list. Not sure that you care, but anyone thats a friend of Carmichael Dave's has to be OK. Unless he only likes you when he's drunk.

"Gimme Wilson Chandler"

I like Rookie much more now too, I think he just got a lot of flack in the past for having differing opinions with a lot of us. And the Rudy Gay stuff . Don't mean to derail but I think all of us have gone through something very special in almost losing our Kings, and we are all inevitably closer for it.

By the way if we sign Wilson Chandler, we should start lobbying Westphaul like he is a city official, and tell him to start him! Not sure he would need too much convincing though.

 

[Bricklayer]

Gifting the other team 2 points is almost irrelevant? Sorry, but i gotta disagree. What it does is bring his 1.5 BPG down a little when you factor in the free points you're giving away in goaltends.

Gifting the other team with maybe 1pt tops (many of those shots would be going in anyway), every three or four games, tops, is not much of anything.

Yes and you are right, what it does is bring down his blocks a little. A very little. People who use goaltends as an excuse who have realy thought it out are just being disingenuous. People who use goaltends as an excuse who really haven't thought it out, should. Goaltends, or lack thereof, can never be more than the cherry on top of the sundae. Its a very minor touch that at best modifies a much greater trait.

Now you have been on theis exact same tact before. And last time you were you were making similar claims, and then '89 Kings Fan came along with stats from a site called NBAstuffer.com quantifying Daly's blocks to goaltends. At the time it was 53 to 13. You had somehow decided it was something outrageous like 30: http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/sho...-Please/page2&highlight=Dalembert+goaltending (I would love to update those stats, but have never been able to duplicate whater '89 did there).

Clinging to the same line of attack after it is proven wrong is not a good sign. Many people do it, but its just foolish. Learn and adapt. I am wrong all the time, but people rarely catch me in it, because I don't stay wrong very long. When I discover I'm wrong, I shift my argument until it becomes right. Back in the summer I was sceptical of Dalembert and Cousins being able to play together. You haven't heard anything about that from me in a long time. Why? Because I saw them play together and saw how well it worked. I saw Dalembert's ability to severely disrupt some fo the best PFs in the game. I may be an egomaniac, but I'm not an idiot. So I learned and adapted.

 

[Bricklayer]

I wouldn't mind Chandler on the Kings... Wilson Chandler. Might be the nice fit at SF the Kings need. Very good athlete and can play consistent defense on the perimeter and in the post. He's a good help defender and can even guard the quicker twos. Plus he's a very down to earth guy that is very stable.

I again just have to say I have seen Wilson Chandler play for years up close, and he is nothing special. Not awful. But he's the guy you always want to replace, not the guy you bring in as a replacement.

 

[ParniValjak]

Main priorities:

Re-sign Dalembert and Thornton (in that order)

Sign Andrei Kirilenko as a starting SF. If he is not interested in Sacramento, my back up plan would be Tayshaun Prince (even though I don't think he would provide much leadership)

I would then go out and get another heady vet to round out the front court rotation. A Kurt Thomas type (he is probably washed up by now but thats the type of player I would be looking at) maybe Chris Wilcox - not perfect but probably the best pick of the available lot.

I would also upgrade that 3rd ball handler guard from Jeter to someone a bit more reliable and defensively savvy. Maybe a Shannon Brown.

In a perfect world and if we had money to burn, I would add Nene and toll out a 3 headed monster every night with all sorts of different combinations. In this case JT would become the 4th tall but there wouldn't be anyone with a better front court rotation that goes 4 deep. That more of a dream scenario but in reality, I would be very happy if we re-signed out 2 big FAs and signed AK, Wilcox and Brown as the free agents to round out the roster nicely.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Gifting the other team with maybe 1pt tops (many of those shots would be going in anyway), every three or four games, tops, is not much of anything.

Yes and you are right, what it does is bring down his blocks a little. A very little. People who use goaltends as an excuse who have realy thought it out are just being disingenuous. People who use goaltends as an excuse who really haven't thought it out, should. Goaltends, or lack thereof, can never be more than the cherry on top of the sundae. Its a very minor touch that at best modifies a much greater trait.

Now you have been on theis exact same tact before. And last time you were you were making similar claims, and then '89 Kings Fan came along with stats from a site called NBAstuffer.com quantifying Daly's blocks to goaltends. At the time it was 53 to 13. You had somehow decided it was something outrageous like 30: http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/sho...-Please/page2&highlight=Dalembert+goaltending (I would love to update those stats, but have never been able to duplicate whater '89 did there).

Clinging to the same line of attack after it is proven wrong is not a good sign. Many people do it, but its just foolish. Learn and adapt. I am wrong all the time, but people rarely catch me in it, because I don't stay wrong very long. When I discover I'm wrong, I shift my argument until it becomes right. Back in the summer I was sceptical of Dalembert and Cousins being able to play together. You haven't heard anything about that from me in a long time. Why? Because I saw them play together and saw how well it worked. I saw Dalembert's ability to severely disrupt some fo the best PFs in the game. I may be an egomaniac, but I'm not an idiot. So I learned and adapted.

Just because It wasn't as high as I initially thought doesn't mean it isn't significant. He has about one goaltend for every five blocks based on the numbers you mentioned. That seems high to me but to be fair, I haven't looked up anyone else's numbers to compare it to. Anyways, the goaltends weren't the crux of my complaint about him. His shot selection and the fact that he shoots too much were. If he'd shoot about 3 or 4 times a game rather than 7 or 8, I'd like him a whole lot more.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Yes, I've taken you off my ignore list. Not sure that you care, but anyone thats a friend of Carmichael Dave's has to be OK. Unless he only likes you when he's drunk.

Back in the days when Dave and I hung out a lot, We were probably both drunk a lot of the time, lol. Seriously though, it's just so easy for folks to clash on the internet, especially when diverging opinions and emotions are involved. Dave and i had a good laugh about how we butted heads online even though we've never said so much as a cross word to one another in real life.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just because It wasn't as high as I initially thought doesn't mean it isn't significant. He has about one goaltend for every five blocks based on the numbers you mentioned. That seems high to me but to be fair, I haven't looked up anyone else's numbers to compare it to. Anyways, the goaltends weren't the crux of my complaint about him. His shot selection and the fact that he shoots too much were. If he'd shoot about 3 or 4 times a game rather than 7 or 8, I'd like him a whole lot more.

He shot .473 from the field -- third highest of any of our rotation players. We as a team shot .449 from the field. Him shooting was not exactly a negative for us last year.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

"Gimme Wilson Chandler"

I like Rookie much more now too, I think he just got a lot of flack in the past for having differing opinions with a lot of us. And the Rudy Gay stuff . Don't mean to derail but I think all of us have gone through something very special in almost losing our Kings, and we are all inevitably closer for it.

By the way if we sign Wilson Chandler, we should start lobbying Westphaul like he is a city official, and tell him to start him! Not sure he would need too much convincing though.

Haha, that did seem to start me off on the wrong foot around here. That and the Raymond Felton stuff. I am pretty tenacious and not easily swayed from my opinions, and that's bound to lead to some conflict. It's all good though. At the end of the day, we're all Kings fans and we've all got one more year to work on keeping the Kings permanently, after we all thought it was over (thanks you David Stern and relocation committee!).

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

He shot .473 from the field -- third highest of any of our rotation players. We as a team shot .449 from the field. Him shooting was not exactly a negative for us last year.

Interesting. I guess it's just one of those perception things then. He's one of those guys who misses so badly when he misses, that it makes it seem like he misses more shots than he does. You have to admit though, he does take some awful shots sometimes and at close range too.

 

[mr. moustache]

Interesting. I guess it's just one of those perception things then. He's one of those guys who misses so badly when he misses, that it makes it seem like he misses more shots than he does. You have to admit though, he does take some awful shots sometimes and at close range too.

.473 is bad when a good portion of your shots are dunks. That said, I actually like that coach encouraged him to use an expanded offensive game. He has passing and shooting ability that other teams haven't tried to foster. By asking him to grow as a player; I think we made basketball more satisfying for him, which helps chemistry and motivation. I just want our guards to not pass him the ball first. I'm no masochist.

 

[ParniValjak]

.473 is bad when a good portion of your shots are dunks. That said, I actually like that coach encouraged him to use an expanded offensive game. He has passing and shooting ability that other teams haven't tried to foster. By asking him to grow as a player; I think we made basketball more satisfying for him, which helps chemistry and motivation. I just want our guards to not pass him the ball first. I'm no masochist.

Whether good portion of his shots are dunks is debatable because he does like to shoot a jumper and go with a awkward post move. Its not like he is a Chandler where 80% of his points are dunks and put backs.

 

[Kingster]

He shot .473 from the field -- third highest of any of our rotation players. We as a team shot .449 from the field. Him shooting was not exactly a negative for us last year.

So let me get this straight. You think Dalembert is a good offensive player?

 

[Hoovtrain]

Interesting. I guess it's just one of those perception things then. He's one of those guys who misses so badly when he misses, that it makes it seem like he misses more shots than he does. You have to admit though, he does take some awful shots sometimes and at close range too.

Yeah, on more than one occasion (actually more like every time he touched the ball) I would be yelling for him not to shoot. But he did and more often than not he converted. I was pleasantly surprised with Dalembert’s offensive game this year. His touch around the basket/mid range shot was not something I was used to seeing from his PHI days. As ugly as his offensive game looks, it was pretty damn effective. I think the perception thing is right though, because even after shooting at a fairly high clip throughout the season, I was still looking at him as a bad offensive player who I didn't trust shooting.