TNT half time question:Which rookie PG do you like the most?

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Hornets/Nuggets Halftime question:

A. Curry
B. Jennings
C. Flynn
D. Collison
E. Lawons

Kenny Smith: Why isn't Evans in there he is a Pg?
Chuck: No
Ernie: He plays more off the ball.

Don't shoot the messenger.
 
Hornets/Nuggets Halftime question:

A. Curry
B. Jennings
C. Flynn
D. Collison
E. Lawons

Kenny Smith: Why isn't Evans in there he is a Pg?
Chuck: No
Ernie: He plays more off the ball.

Don't shoot the messenger.
Sometimes the messenger deserves it.

And he plays more off the ball is about as ignorant as it gets.
 
Sometimes the messenger deserves it.

And he plays more off the ball is about as ignorant as it gets.


Yeah, that last line got me too. Look, if certain analysts who don't watch enough Kings games haven't given up the hackneyed NaPG argument, then fine. If they have an intellectual argument on why they don't feel Tyreke can play PG long term, then fine.

But to say that Tyreke plays more off the ball is as ignorant and uneducated of a NBA opinion as you can have. Curry plays more off the ball than Reke does. Not a knock on Curry, but Monta handles the ball more. I could go off on this for awhile, better stop now and take some deep breaths.
 
Hornets/Nuggets Halftime question:

A. Curry
B. Jennings
C. Flynn
D. Collison
E. Lawons

Kenny Smith: Why isn't Evans in there he is a Pg?
Chuck: No
Ernie: He plays more off the ball.

Don't shoot the messenger.

The messenger has to make up his mind at some point whether he wants to be labeled basketball ignorant or troll, because only one or the other could watch a Kings game and agree with that statement. Indeed its completely impossible for Tyreke to be both bad icky ball dominator and off the ball shooting guard. Make up your mind which bridge you want to live under.
 
It might have something to do with the whole "Beno bringing the ball up" thing.. If you just watched a few possessions like I am sure those idiots have then you would think Beno was the PG.... Personally I don't think either are a true PG but when they play together as well as both of them do I don't think it really matters. As long as they can bring it up under pressure I don't care how many assists they get. That being said I still prefer a traditional PG type of game because I love beautiful passing, but Tyreke has been doing great.
 
It might have something to do with the whole "Beno bringing the ball up" thing.. If you just watched a few possessions like I am sure those idiots have then you would think Beno was the PG.... Personally I don't think either are a true PG but when they play together as well as both of them do I don't think it really matters. As long as they can bring it up under pressure I don't care how many assists they get.

I agree. The current system we have is really allowing both to flourish.
 
The messenger has to make up his mind at some point whether he wants to be labeled basketball ignorant or troll, because only one or the other could watch a Kings game and agree with that statement. Indeed its completely impossible for Tyreke to be both bad icky ball dominator and off the ball shooting guard. Make up your mind which bridge you want to live under.

Where did I say I agreed with it? I posted no opinion on what was said. By shoot the messanger I meant because I posted what was said on the show. And yet you still attack me for saying nothing.
 
I agree. The current system we have is really allowing both to flourish.


Agreed. Why is everyone trying to pick apart Tyreke's game lately? It's like they are all pushing for friggin Curry to win ROY, I don't understand. HE'S NOT THE BETTER ROOKIE.
 
Where did I say I agreed with it? I posted no opinion on what was said. By shoot the messanger I meant because I posted what was said on the show. And yet you still attack me for saying nothing.
You really think we are all dumb that we will buy this sort of crap!

Your history on the topic is well known around these parts and you certainly didn't start a thread about this topic because I don't hold an opinion one way or another. Your opinion on this issue is well known.
 
Agreed. Why is everyone trying to pick apart Tyreke's game lately? It's like they are all pushing for friggin Curry to win ROY, I don't understand. HE'S NOT THE BETTER ROOKIE.

The NBA hates Sacramento and the Kings. In order for the bigger market teams such as the Bay Area and LA to succeed, the "cow-town" Kings need to fail. At least that is what its felt like since 2002.

BTW, that NATIONALLY broadcasted poll is suspect in my eyes. The cynic in me feels that someone wants Sacramento to lose the ROY (and subsequently the arena and/or the team).
 
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You really think we are all dumb that we will buy this sort of crap!

Your history on the topic is well known around these parts and you certainly didn't start a thread about this topic because I don't hold an opinion one way or another. Your opinion on this issue is well known.

Wow. So I'm watching the game see the halftime show wait an hour after nobody posts what was said so I do.

I didn't make the poll. I didn't script the TNT broadcast. All I did was report what was said. Since so many here are concerned with the media perception of Evans I thought they would like to know what was said on TNT's prime time NBA show.
 
Wow. So I'm watching the game see the halftime show wait an hour after nobody posts what was said so I do.

I didn't make the poll. I didn't script the TNT broadcast. All I did was report what was said. Since so many here are concerned with the media perception of Evans I thought they would like to know what was said on TNT's prime time NBA show.

Ha. "What? Huh? I didn't do anything...." This is childish. An inference was made and you know it.
 
Where did I say I agreed with it? I posted no opinion on what was said. By shoot the messanger I meant because I posted what was said on the show. And yet you still attack me for saying nothing.

You have become a one topic poster. Its completely sad. I've been around here long enough to remember when you were a decent contributor. Now you do nothing but troll around the board with your one single topic and your one single plank still looking for a redemption that nobody but you gives a **** about for misreading the lay of the draft nearly a year ago now. The whole situation is ludicrous.

You don't want to get pegged as a troll, pull your head out, go off, and post on some other topic. I don't care what it is. But honest posting, without spins, slants, digs at Tyreke, pronouncements that we have to draft so and so since Tyreke's not a PG, that Jason's biggest problem is that he doesn't have a PG, or any of that other crap that you fill your time with when not directly on obsessive point. Just get over it man.

I'm not even asking you to change your opinion -- you can continue to have whatever opinion you want, no matter how divorced from reality it is. I'm asking you to return to a normal posting behavior. No matter what your opinion on a topic, running around in multiple threads everyday trying to find new ways to poke the same stick and get a reaction is in fact trollish behavior. Since once upon a time you were capable of more than that, I am asking you to return to it. Because the current posting pattern isn't benefitting anyone.

P.S. As an aside, the way to get the bias monkey off your back is posting articles/statements that you DON'T agree with as often as you post ones that you do. This would indicate some willingness to discuss and even consider alternative possibilities. Finding some ignorant claptrap from a trio of entertainers that don't always even get the names of players right and dropping it in here and playing innocent is rather transparent. We are the ones who actually watch the games, remember?
 
Yet he averages more assists than any of em.:confused: These guys are clowns, they don't know ****.

That crew is more about entertainment than actual NBA knowledge. Sir Eats Alot forgot what he knows about basketball carrying a box from Taco Bell on his ever extending gut. He is one Chulupa away from a heart attack!! Barkley has always hated the Kings and Sacramento. I don't know why but he is always looking to get in a dig or two when he can. Kenny Smith is just a comedy foil, and Ernie..Did he play basketball somewhere? TNT needs to upgrade their crew. Best analyst on there is C WEBB! Evans is hands down the best rookie point guard. They are desperately looking for ways to diminish and marginalize Tyreke Evans to try and drum up support for ANY East Coast rookie. This isn't even subtle. It is an obvious premeditated attack on the ROY winner Tyreke Evans! Sometimes I hate the East Coast. They are always trying to find a way to prove they are better in every way to the West Coast. I say SCREW Sir Eats Box Meals Alot, and Evans wins ANY rookie vote by a landslide !! He is the POINT GUARD on the Kings! HE IS THE ROY !!! :mad:
 
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You have become a one topic poster. Its completely sad. I've been around here long enough to remember when you were a decent contributor. Now you do nothing but troll around the board with your one single topic and your one single plank still looking for a redemption that nobody but you gives a **** about for misreading the lay of the draft nearly a year ago now. The whole situation is ludicrous.

You don't want to get pegged as a troll, pull your head out, go off, and post on some other topic. I don't care what it is. But honest posting, without spins, slants, digs at Tyreke, pronouncements that we have to draft so and so since Tyreke's not a PG, that Jason's biggest problem is that he doesn't have a PG, or any of that other crap that you fill your time with when not directly on obsessive point. Just get over it man.

I'm not even asking you to change your opinion -- you can continue to have whatever opinion you want, no matter how divorced from reality it is. I'm asking you to return to a normal posting behavior. No matter what your opinion on a topic, running around in multiple threads everyday trying to find new ways to poke the same stick and get a reaction is in fact trollish behavior. Since once upon a time you were capable of more than that, I am asking you to return to it. Because the current posting pattern isn't benefitting anyone.

P.S. As an aside, the way to get the bias monkey off your back is posting articles/statements that you DON'T agree with as often as you post ones that you do. This would indicate some willingness to discuss and even consider alternative possibilities. Finding some ignorant claptrap from a trio of entertainers that don't always even get the names of players right and dropping it in here and playing innocent is rather transparent. We are the ones who actually watch the games, remember?

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1187432

There is a search of my posts. I do post on more than just Evans. But also keep in mind the majority of the posts here lately are about Evans. Also, maybe I post the "negative" ones because someone has already posted all the "positive" ones as soon as they come out. I'm sure if they had Evans leading the poll someone would have posted during halftime. I'm sure I wasn't the only on the board watching TNT Thursday night.

As far as this poll is concerned, yes Evans should have been on it and yes he has been playing PG alot this year.
 
Charles loves Evans. I don't think this is them trying to undermine Evans' game or potential but moreso them just being completely and sadly ignorant
 
Charles loves Evans. I don't think this is them trying to undermine Evans' game or potential but moreso them just being completely honest

Is how I'd put it.

It's weird that people interpret "Evans is a SG" as some sort of attack on him.

On another note, the Kings front office is starting to lose the PR battle on this. I am not sure they are still fighting this battle as there is no longer a need to with Kevin gone.
 
Is how I'd put it.

It's weird that people interpret "Evans is a SG" as some sort of attack on him.

On another note, the Kings front office is starting to lose the PR battle on this. I am not sure they are still fighting this battle as there is no longer a need to with Kevin gone.


Well, "Evans is a SG" is an argument that reasonable posters can disagree on and argue intellectually. However, Chuck giving and emphatic "no" and another "analyst" saying he mostly plays off the ball is just "moronic." Particularly the second comment. Making a logical argument based on facts, history, personal insight and one's thoughts and projections is ok. Making a blanket statement without producing any evidence to back it up or making blatantly incorrect statements shows ignorance. Do you disagree?
 
Is how I'd put it.

It's weird that people interpret "Evans is a SG" as some sort of attack on him.

On another note, the Kings front office is starting to lose the PR battle on this. I am not sure they are still fighting this battle as there is no longer a need to with Kevin gone.

Peoples opinion that Evans is a SG isn't where the attack comes from... the attack is the thought that usually comes with the Evans is a SG opinion, that he can't play the PG position because he isn't a "good enough passer", doesn't have good enough court vision, or he is too big or whatever. Evans is going to be the ball handler and the facilitator whether he is a SG or not... so it really doesn't matter what we call him. Though, if we have a chance at John Wall I'd be more than accepting of Evans at the SG spot :)
 
Peoples opinion that Evans is a SG isn't where the attack comes from... the attack is the thought that usually comes with the Evans is a SG opinion, that he can't play the PG position because he isn't a "good enough passer", doesn't have good enough court vision, or he is too big or whatever. Evans is going to be the ball handler and the facilitator whether he is a SG or not... so it really doesn't matter what we call him. Though, if we have a chance at John Wall I'd be more than accepting of Evans at the SG spot :)

I love Tyreke at the 1, not because I think he'd be the best facilitator, but because of the immense advantage we would have at the 1 spot. This guy is to point guards as Lebron is to SFs. You put him at the 2, and now more shooting guards match up with him in size. You leave him at the 1, put a full sized SG next to him that can pass and hit the open 3, and you can watch him pummel Chris Paul into the floor for the next 10 years.
 
I love Tyreke at the 1, not because I think he'd be the best facilitator, but because of the immense advantage we would have at the 1 spot. This guy is to point guards as Lebron is to SFs. You put him at the 2, and now more shooting guards match up with him in size. You leave him at the 1, put a full sized SG next to him that can pass and hit the open 3, and you can watch him pummel Chris Paul into the floor for the next 10 years.
I agree. Bricklayer has been right eversince the beginning of the debate on whether we should be using Evans more as a 1 or more as a 2 in the current roster of the team. And I hope more and more fans realize what Brick was saying.
 
Evans is a hybrid gard, there is no question about it.

Is that bad? nope.


"Hybrids" only become bad when they create holes (usually at the other end) ie... you have a midgit guard that is a great shooter/penetrator but can't set up an offense to save his life AND gets aboused by anyone over 6-2. Then you need a complimentary 6-7 player that CAN run an offense and CAN play D (why Christie's role wasn't always as appreciated as it should've been... he was the PERFECT fit for those kings)

Evans is not a traditional pg... but he ALSO doesn't create any real holes for the team (particularly once his outside/midrange shot gets a little more consistant)

he is the next generation of Dwane Wade ... the improved generation :)
the 0-guard?
 
Yeah Section101 is just the messenger..if I knew about this I would post it as well. I think most of us would. It is a good topic to discuss upon or at least make fun of the TNT guys.

Evans while started out as not being a "PG", debatable, has become very solid in that position. If Gary can see it, then those TNT guys are blind. :p
 
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