Time's up!
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I don't think we even know what we have until George Karl is gone. Normally I'm in favor of making changes at the deadline -- especially with a playoff spot on the line. But this year, with George Karl hanging on like a bad hangover, I'd rather we not make any long-term decisions based on what's transpired in the first 53 games.
there needs to be some sort of round table meeting here where Vlade takes lead and implores to all that we are moving forward together and as one.
As at the start of the season and now. Vlade needs to be as hands on as ever and close to this team to get the most out of them.
George must adapt and if that involves Vlade calling him out in house after every game then so be it.
As at the start of the season and now. Vlade needs to be as hands on as ever and close to this team to get the most out of them.
George must adapt and if that involves Vlade calling him out in house after every game then so be it.
I'm glad to come on here and hear that no news happened. Sometimes no news is good news, in our case...tank the rest of the season because the playoffs will not be attainable and get that coveted top ten draft pick and hopefully do not trade it unless the right deal comes along that helps the team in the present and future. No point of bringing in a patch work type of player just for that player to play in this dysfunction and knowing the coach he is playing for won't be here. Good move Vlade.
To be accurate, Petrie worked in a different NBA world -
He exited before Twitter took over the media leak-soaked environment.
What if the constant leaks has nothing to do with the Kings FO?
What if it's on the players side?
What if it's on the agents side?
What if it's on the other teams' side?
It doesn't matter if Petrie had an iron hand - he can't control the current leak-infested NBA reality.
He exited before Twitter took over the media leak-soaked environment.
What if the constant leaks has nothing to do with the Kings FO?
What if it's on the players side?
What if it's on the agents side?
What if it's on the other teams' side?
It doesn't matter if Petrie had an iron hand - he can't control the current leak-infested NBA reality.
We know how much value cap space and movable contracts/pieces can be to other NBA teams. But based on kings history, cap space and movable pieces are worth about as much as our moderators are paid. 
Nik, Ben and Thomas are tearing it upAll kidding aside I just want to see the pace slowed, a basic defense installed and the players to hate losing
You hit it on the head.
Too bad Sac and Denver couldn't have just traded coaches, and much of the cluster-**** would have immediately dissipated.
And if you remotely believe that to be true, it is proof that the COACHING is the problem, not the players, and therefore there's little sense in trading players until the coaching is fixed.
Too bad Sac and Denver couldn't have just traded coaches, and much of the cluster-**** would have immediately dissipated.
And if you remotely believe that to be true, it is proof that the COACHING is the problem, not the players, and therefore there's little sense in trading players until the coaching is fixed.
Draft picks are so much better Nik, Ben and Thomas are tearing it up
All kidding aside I just want to see the pace slowed, a basic defense installed and the players to hate losing
Nik, Ben and Thomas are tearing it upAll kidding aside I just want to see the pace slowed, a basic defense installed and the players to hate losing
Here is another thing. Of all the best players in the NBA, they all have something in common. They were all drafted. Hardest thing to do in basketball? Trade for or attract a star in free agency.
Draft picks are the top currency in trades.
Trade Deadline Post Mortem: The Kings could have Gasol and Snell if Vlade didn't agree to the stupid swap rights. So in a sense Vlade has only himself to blame.
If the Kings could have lowered the protection on 2016 pick to Top 7 without needing the 76ers permission then the Bulls maybe pull the trigger.
I said at the time (as did most fans) but future unprotected #1 and Stauskas was enough to take contracts of Landry/JT (on team below the floor) but Vlade obligated himself with these extra concessions.
Vlade is being out-witted by savvier GMs with cutthroat mentality. He may know talent but he's not a negotiator. One of the ways to get what you want in negotiations is be willing to walk away and you do this by setting an expiration date. You say "this is the best we can do for Player X and Y" and if you are willing to do this please let us know by [insert time plus 90 minutes] or we will be pursuing alternate opportunities . Thanks buh-bye."
Instead GMs preyed on him trying to get more and his unwillingness or inability to accomodate these vultures prevented deals from going down. I may be wrong but this is my perception.
If Gasol was not available then prolonged conversation would have not have taken place. If Vlade was a better deal maker we would have gotten something done. Either this or the Bulls were just playing games and never serious about making a deal....hoping Vlade would get desperate or something and replace Koufos with Willie.
The reason I come to this conclusion is the structure of the deal and the four players involved was feasible on its own ground for both sides. I don't think the degree of protection on the pick was a deal breaker one way or the other because if the deal was made the Kings are better than 10th worst team in the NBA.
I hope Gasol signs with any team except the Bulls this summer.
If the Kings could have lowered the protection on 2016 pick to Top 7 without needing the 76ers permission then the Bulls maybe pull the trigger.
I said at the time (as did most fans) but future unprotected #1 and Stauskas was enough to take contracts of Landry/JT (on team below the floor) but Vlade obligated himself with these extra concessions.
Vlade is being out-witted by savvier GMs with cutthroat mentality. He may know talent but he's not a negotiator. One of the ways to get what you want in negotiations is be willing to walk away and you do this by setting an expiration date. You say "this is the best we can do for Player X and Y" and if you are willing to do this please let us know by [insert time plus 90 minutes] or we will be pursuing alternate opportunities . Thanks buh-bye."
Instead GMs preyed on him trying to get more and his unwillingness or inability to accomodate these vultures prevented deals from going down. I may be wrong but this is my perception.
If Gasol was not available then prolonged conversation would have not have taken place. If Vlade was a better deal maker we would have gotten something done. Either this or the Bulls were just playing games and never serious about making a deal....hoping Vlade would get desperate or something and replace Koufos with Willie.
The reason I come to this conclusion is the structure of the deal and the four players involved was feasible on its own ground for both sides. I don't think the degree of protection on the pick was a deal breaker one way or the other because if the deal was made the Kings are better than 10th worst team in the NBA.
I hope Gasol signs with any team except the Bulls this summer.
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Draft picks are so much better Nik, Ben and Thomas are tearing it up
All kidding aside I just want to see the pace slowed, a basic defense installed and the players to hate losing
Nik, Ben and Thomas are tearing it upAll kidding aside I just want to see the pace slowed, a basic defense installed and the players to hate losing
To me it is funny you count Stauskas as a positive I consider his was one more baggage contract!
I consider his was one more baggage contract!
We will have to resign rondo. We may need to make a trade or to but we will have roughly 50 million to spend with only rondo to resign or replace. Let's say rondo cost you 20 mil and the end of bemchers another 10. 30 mil is a good starting point to really go after a few guys. Bradley beal, Harrison Barnes, nik batum, afflalo, Courtney lee. Just a few names we can go after. Mike Conley comes to mind if rondo decides to bolt.
His unwillingness and inability to accommodate vultures IS A BAD THING? If he was being tested, I'm glad he didn't blink.
At the same time, I believe that there was a lot of spin going on, and the facts on the ground didn't match what was being reported. Perhaps also testing the owner, to see if he would bow to the pressure.
What I do think Vlade did wrong was announce that he expected something to get done. Silence would have been better than failed expectations. Nothing is hard to swallow if "promised" something.
At the same time, I believe that there was a lot of spin going on, and the facts on the ground didn't match what was being reported. Perhaps also testing the owner, to see if he would bow to the pressure.
What I do think Vlade did wrong was announce that he expected something to get done. Silence would have been better than failed expectations. Nothing is hard to swallow if "promised" something.
No I am not implying that.
I am saying he boxed himself in with the swap rights and didn't have the flexibility to make the deal work. He was unable to get the deal done because it required permission from a third party. This and possibly he did not play hardball with the Bulls with "take-it-or-leave-it" proposal.
"Look...we are the team trading a young big on a value deal and a young lottery pick for a 35 year old free agent.... there's NO room for further concessions in a deal like this ... I don't care if he made an all-star team!!! He was a rental unless we could have persuaded him in limited amount of time and the lack of other teams bidding for his services reflected this reality.
This is what Vlade needed to say....LIKE A BOSS!!!
And if this was said then we would not have dragged on this on-off deal. It would have happened or the Kings would have walked away. Instead it was up-in-the-air all the way to the deadline.
Now if you want to give him credit for not coughing up the farm and more future assets I guess you can but this is speculative to me. I am not giving credit to him for a non-trade.
I agree with you Vlade should have been more tight-lipped the day prior instead of acting as if trade was pending. Holding cards close to your vest is how to win high stakes poker not revealing pair of 2s.
I am saying he boxed himself in with the swap rights and didn't have the flexibility to make the deal work. He was unable to get the deal done because it required permission from a third party. This and possibly he did not play hardball with the Bulls with "take-it-or-leave-it" proposal.
"Look...we are the team trading a young big on a value deal and a young lottery pick for a 35 year old free agent.... there's NO room for further concessions in a deal like this ... I don't care if he made an all-star team!!! He was a rental unless we could have persuaded him in limited amount of time and the lack of other teams bidding for his services reflected this reality.
This is what Vlade needed to say....LIKE A BOSS!!!
And if this was said then we would not have dragged on this on-off deal. It would have happened or the Kings would have walked away. Instead it was up-in-the-air all the way to the deadline.
Now if you want to give him credit for not coughing up the farm and more future assets I guess you can but this is speculative to me. I am not giving credit to him for a non-trade.
I agree with you Vlade should have been more tight-lipped the day prior instead of acting as if trade was pending. Holding cards close to your vest is how to win high stakes poker not revealing pair of 2s.