Theus leaves players to figure things out

Everytime I open the link it open and i read the first 2 lines and it closes out. EVERYFREAKINGTIME. What does it say essentially?
 
Okay, going from the printed version in my morning Bee, Sam Amick is basically saying Reggie Theu is "fed up" with the team for their attitude and, on Thursday morning, before the Houston game, he (Theus) ended practice "abruptly" and left the players to figure out why...

Theus reportedly left it to Martin and Garcia to get the team together and "have a conversation."

The article goes on to say that Kevin, Cisco AND Bobby J then had a "productive players meeting"...

Now, my interpretation? Reggie threw a temper tantrum and left. The guys, for whatever reason, had a players meeting afterwards.

The article goes on to presume it was Theus' action in cutting the practice short and "sending a message" that resulted in the effort of the Kings against the Rockets. My take, for whatever it's worth, is that Theus needs to grow up. If anything, the PLAYERS meeting may well be the cause of the effort, a meeting where Theus was not in attendance.

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I found this article encouraging. It showed me that Theus won't tolerate a a lack of effort or a lazy attitude from the team. I wouldn't call what he did a temper tantrum. Obviously, I wasn't at the practice so I can't act like what I'm saying is what happened, but it is easy for me to imagine the players taking the preseason very lightly and I can see how frustrating that would be for a coach. I like how he put a leadership responsibility on Martin and Garcia and I think these type of instances are beneficial to the growth of our team.
 
thanks. yeah pretty cool about Kevin and Cisco seeming to be the leaders. Wonder how much the vets listen to those 2? Could those 2 asserting their leadership be an issue with players like Brad, Mikki, KT? Or does that actually send a msg to them?

PS I hope I have seen the majority of KT's playing time already and he isn't in the rotation come Wednesday. If he is I question this franchises rebuilding techniques.
 
I found this article encouraging. It showed me that Theus won't tolerate a a lack of effort or a lazy attitude from the team. I wouldn't call what he did a temper tantrum. Obviously, I wasn't at the practice so I can't act like what I'm saying is what happened, but it is easy for me to imagine the players taking the preseason very lightly and I can see how frustrating that would be for a coach. I like how he put a leadership responsibility on Martin and Garcia and I think these type of instances are beneficial to the growth of our team.

We don't know, of course, but can you imagine Rick Adelman storming out of the practice facility, leaving it to players to sort it out???

A coach should have control of his team. For good or bad, we have a coach who also has a tremendous ego and still brings up "When I was a player" in his discussions.

If the players take the pre-season too lightly, whose fault is that exactly? Theirs? Or the guy who - I don't know - is being paid a LOT of money to get them to work together as a team and a cohesive unit?

If you recall, Bricklayer actually foretold something like this happening last year when Theus started the "bed check," curfews, etc. If the players aren't buying into what Theus is trying to sell, we have BIG problems.
 
True , Theus is getting paid alot of money to coach this team... however ..

I feel like people blame the coach wayy to often .. Its the players who get the most money, the players who get the fame, the players who get on espn and highlight reels .. if there slacking off then they need to figure it out .. it cant always be the coach to bring them together.. if you really need someone to motivate you when your in the nba then I think theres something wrong with the player.

I dont care who the coach is, if you have great players on your team your going to win games ..

Boston is a great example .. if you live in this area, before Doc won the championship people were saying he was a horrible coach .. check celticsblog.com if you dont believe me .. people were hating on him big time. Then Doc got 3 hall of famers and won a title .. now hes a good coach?

Its all about the players .. Adleman coached great teams that got him 800 wins .. sure the coach means SOMETHING but not as much as people think .. again, my opinion.
 
I'm a Theus supporter...but coaches shouldn't give up on their players.

But then again, maybe this is the kind of strategy that will motivate this particular type of personnel.

I'm kind of torn as to if this was a good or bad move...I guess we'll find out, huh?
 
Let us not think coach Theus is that stupid to make such a move just because of his big ego. I am pretty sure the coach did it for some psychological strategy on handling such lazy-sissy players. It might and might not work, but it is worth the try.
 
Huh -- missed this until now. Sounds very high school -- in fact had one of my coaches back then try something similar. Left it to the assistant coaches in an attempt to play with our heads. Whether that kind of stuff works when you are no longer coaching college kids I do not opine. So much grandstanding and drama. Wonder if Reggie thinks this is still TV coaching?

In any case, the team, or at least Spencer, played pretty well later that night. So while a stunt like this does not really bode well for the long term, at least it seems they are stil hanging in there in the short term.
 
We don't know, of course, but can you imagine Rick Adelman storming out of the practice facility, leaving it to players to sort it out???

A coach should have control of his team. For good or bad, we have a coach who also has a tremendous ego and still brings up "When I was a player" in his discussions.

If the players take the pre-season too lightly, whose fault is that exactly? Theirs? Or the guy who - I don't know - is being paid a LOT of money to get them to work together as a team and a cohesive unit?

If you recall, Bricklayer actually foretold something like this happening last year when Theus started the "bed check," curfews, etc. If the players aren't buying into what Theus is trying to sell, we have BIG problems.

VF – I’m sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with you.

The coach can motivate you only so much. Shouldn’t the players be motivated enough? This is the same problem I heard about when Rick was coach (and people were saying that we should get rid of him). They blamed him because he couldn’t get his players up and excited – like he had to bring motivation to a team that was trying to make the playoffs and get out of the first round. A coach should defenetly push you because players need that sometimes. But to blame him entirely is not right.

I don’t think Reggie’s ego got in the way. He does have moments where he can’t seem to let go of his past, back in the day…But I think this (leaving the team to “figure things our”) should be a one time thing. I don’t expect him to leave anymore and I think that was a good message to his players – we should be playing hard for 48 straight minutes.

I’m really glad to see Kevin, Cisco and Bobby gathering the players together and talking….Now all we have to do is improve the team concept.
 
Huh -- missed this until now. Sounds very high school -- in fact had one of my coaches back then try something similar. Left it to the assistant coaches in an attempt to play with our heads. Whether that kind of stuff works when you are no longer coaching college kids I do not opine. So much grandstanding and drama. Wonder if Reggie thinks this is still TV coaching?

In any case, the team, or at least Spencer, played pretty well later that night. So while a stunt like this does not really bode well for the long term, at least it seems they are stil hanging in there in the short term.
I agree, when I was in 11th grade during two-a-days football practice the head coach stormed off saying until we come together the season was cancled
 
VF – I’m sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with you.

The coach can motivate you only so much. Shouldn’t the players be motivated enough? This is the same problem I heard about when Rick was coach (and people were saying that we should get rid of him). They blamed him because he couldn’t get his players up and excited – like he had to bring motivation to a team that was trying to make the playoffs and get out of the first round. A coach should defenetly push you because players need that sometimes. But to blame him entirely is not right.

If you extend the puzzle, however, you have to wonder WHY the players aren't motivated. What I suspect is a frustration over more of the same lack of real coaching that was whispered last year. If a young, enthusiastic player comes to the team all ready to make it in the league, he's motivated. If, however, he is not properly utilized, is not allowed to learn from his mistakes, etc. then said motivation quickly disappears.

This isn't about Rick Adelman. This is about Reggie Theus, who should know how to deal with young players, epsecially since we picked him from the college ranks.

I don’t think Reggie’s ego got in the way. He does have moments where he can’t seem to let go of his past, back in the day…But I think this (leaving the team to “figure things our”) should be a one time thing. I don’t expect him to leave anymore and I think that was a good message to his players – we should be playing hard for 48 straight minutes.

We don't know if this is a one-time thing, or even if it's the first time it's happened. I concluded it might well have been Reggie's ego getting in the way for good reason. Reggie Theus has always had a tremendous ego; it's part of what made him a good player. BUT it can also be a detriment when you have young kids who don't just blindly follow your lead. It can be frustrating and it can get very aggravating. To me it sounds like that's what happened... And Reggie pulled the plug on the whole scenario, turning it over to Kevin and Garcia to deal with.

I’m really glad to see Kevin, Cisco and Bobby gathering the players together and talking….Now all we have to do is improve the team concept.

I agree that having Martin, Garcia AND Bobby step up and call a player meeting was apparently productive. But look at it this way... We have a gazillion assistant coaches. They should be able to work with the players and get things done and Reggie should be coordinating all the efforts. If there's a disconnect now, how bad is it going to get by mid-season?

Theus is looking for the team to pick up his contract option. If they don't, the pressure on him (at least in his mind) to produce or else will only get worse. He has to find a way to get everyone on the same page... As you said, "improve the team concept"...

In that regard, we are in complete and total agreement.
 
Let us not think coach Theus is that stupid to make such a move just because of his big ego. I am pretty sure the coach did it for some psychological strategy on handling such lazy-sissy players. It might and might not work, but it is worth the try.

1. No one said Theus is stupid.

2. Lazy-sissy players is totally inappropriate and without any kind of basis in fact.

3. "Psychological strategy"? Worth the try? With what as the outcome? You try playing mind games with these players and you're swimming with sharks. Their contracts are guaranteed. Theus' isn't. If they decide he's playing mind games, they can trump any ace he plays. That would be about the wost possible thing he could do - and NOT worth the try, unless he's fond of being out of work.
 
We don't know, of course, but can you imagine Rick Adelman storming out of the practice facility, leaving it to players to sort it out???

A coach should have control of his team. For good or bad, we have a coach who also has a tremendous ego and still brings up "When I was a player" in his discussions.

If the players take the pre-season too lightly, whose fault is that exactly? Theirs? Or the guy who - I don't know - is being paid a LOT of money to get them to work together as a team and a cohesive unit?

If you recall, Bricklayer actually foretold something like this happening last year when Theus started the "bed check," curfews, etc. If the players aren't buying into what Theus is trying to sell, we have BIG problems.


Do you think Rick Adelman had the same team right now like he did back when he was coaching the Kings??? Hell no! The team right now is completely different... If Rick was the coach now I can see him haven many melt downs in practice.. I love it when people try to use Rick Adelman and his laid back approach to everything as the way it should be.. Adelman has been blessed to be on teams that have all-star players on the team ready to play hard every night even in practice... Man I kind of wish at times he was still out coach just to show everyone how good of a coach he really is, which is not that great of a coach....
 
Do you think Rick Adelman had the same team right now like he did back when he was coaching the Kings??? Hell no! The team right now is completely different... If Rick was the coach now I can see him haven many melt downs in practice.. I love it when people try to use Rick Adelman and his laid back approach to everything as the way it should be.. Adelman has been blessed to be on teams that have all-star players on the team ready to play hard every night even in practice... Man I kind of wish at times he was still out coach just to show everyone how good of a coach he really is, which is not that great of a coach....


With over 800 wins? That just does not make any sense. :rolleyes:
 
Do you think Rick Adelman had the same team right now like he did back when he was coaching the Kings??? Hell no! The team right now is completely different... If Rick was the coach now I can see him haven many melt downs in practice.. I love it when people try to use Rick Adelman and his laid back approach to everything as the way it should be.. Adelman has been blessed to be on teams that have all-star players on the team ready to play hard every night even in practice... Man I kind of wish at times he was still out coach just to show everyone how good of a coach he really is, which is not that great of a coach....

If you see Rick Adelman "having a lot of melt-downs" in practice, you obviously haven't a clue about the type of coach or person Rick Adelman was/is. Even if something happened between the coach and the players, it stayed with the coach and the players. The public wouldn't know about it.

I didn't use Adelman or his laid-back approach for anything. I'm saying that ANY coach who storms out of practice should make sure that stays behind the doors. Instead, Reggie Theus talks with Sam Amick about it. I don't think it was productive in any way.

Reggie has a history of playing out drama like this in the media - I've never liked it and I think it diminishes him in the eyes of the players.

You and a couple of others want to bring Rick Adelman into the discussion which is fine, but irrelevant. We're talking about Reggie Theus.
 
800 Wins with the team we USED to have... Do you actually think Rick would have kept on winning if he was our coach still??? Give me a break... If it wasent for Webber,Vlade,and our team from the past we would not have had all those wins...

My point is if he was our coach TODAY, I feel that he would have the same problems that Reggie is havin.. If we would not have made the trade for Artest back in 06 we would NOT have made the playoffs.. Period!.. Just before Ron came to our team, that was the lowest time for Rick as our head coach...

We lost to Seattle in the playoffs the year before in the frist round... Which they kick our butt hard! Then the coming season(05- 06) half way through the year and we were 8 games under 500 and not looking good at all...
 
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800 Wins with the team we USED to have... Do you actually think Rick would have kept on winning if he was our coach still??? Give me a break... If it wasent for Webber,Vlade,and our team from the past we would not have had all those wins...

My point is if he was our coach TODAY, I feel that he would have the same problems that Reggie is havin.. If we would not have made the trade for Artest back in 06 we would NOT have made the playoffs.. Period!.. Just before Ron came to our team, that was the lowest time for Rick as our head coach...

We lost to Seattle in the playoffs the year before in the frist round... Which they kick our butt hard! Then the coming season(05- 06) half way through the year and we were 8 games under 500 and not looking good at all...

I know it doesn't mean much one way or the other, but I guarantee that if the Maloofs would have just chilled out (and swallowed their ego) and we kept Rick, we would have a better record with the same players than with Reggie.

Rick is just flat-out a better coach.
 
Other non-good coaches:

Phil Jackson (ZERO years without at least one HOF player on his team, most years he had two)

Gregg Popovich (ZERO years without a HOF on his team...well The Admiral was hurt that first year he took over....and the team was terrible. And actually he had an (old) Nique at the time too. Most years he's had two HOFs.
 
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