"There's nothing healthy about the Kings situation..." National Article

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#2
I saw that article, but I can't take anything in it seriously. Right up front this "journalist" gets the details wrong on how much the Kings still owe George Karl. That's information it took me all of 30 seconds to find out on Google this weekend. Obviously neither the writer nor the editor bothered to fact-check that one. The rest of the piece is basically an attempt to tear down Vlade Divac and paint him as an amateur.

"his limited résumé is already littered with failure"
Seriously? Because of one deal that is less than a year old and because he's been openly communicative with his franchise player? That's the evidence he's citing for that blanket statement?

Yahoo sports' cloister of writers have been particularly vengeful in attacking Vivek and Vlade since the PDA dismissal last year. Some people have said it's merely coincidence. I still think agents and front office personnel have got these freelance sports writers in an uncompromising position because they have the power to make or break their careers by doling out who gets what information when. Who has time to fact check anything in the age of Twitter when 20 seconds is the difference between breaking a story and being 5th in line? Interesting? Nah. No sources cited by name here, just a bunch of opinions posited as facts.
 

dude12

Hall of Famer
#3
If its a national writer, I just don't read those articles anymore.....most are garbage because they put little effort into researching or they have agendas or their contacts have agendas.
 
#6
Wasn't it Bruski that told us to expect some Vlade/Vivek bashing from the national media as soon as this latest saga started? Considering the "sources" and agenda of Yahoo writers going back to PDA's days, seems to be very clear where all this stuff is coming from. In short, this article is about as useful as power rankings to Mr.Slim ;)
 
#7
Mannix and Woj teaming up at Yahoo. And what do you know. They use the Kings to get hits on the new site. Not going to give them my click. We know who's feeding them info.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#8
While I love a good Vivek bash.....

... Leave Vlade out of it! Dude is a gosh dang saint! And I still like the moves he made this summer.
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#9
"Divac is a Kings legend, a reminder of better days, but he is in way over his head. A general manager's job is for basketball lifers, for tunnel-visioned workaholics hell-bent on mining the globe for talent. There’s a reason San Antonio (RC Buford), Oklahoma City (Sam Presti) and Golden State (Bob Myers) have enjoyed sustained success. By all accounts, Divac is a good guy who wants to grow in the job, but his limited résumé is already littered with failures. Last summer’s cap-clearing deal with Philadelphia remains a head scratcher, and Divac’s decision to discuss Karl’s future with select players, including Cousins, was a mind-blowing undermining of a coach with a Hall of Fame résumé.
Indeed, the Divac hiring was classic Ranadive: Install a familiar name at the top while failing to support him with an experienced No. 2 and assembling one of the NBA’s smallest scouting staffs around him. Who needs structure and stability when you can put together a pretty game program anyway?"


Can't wait to read the articles when Karl gets fired and an impotent assistant coach takes the reins...:rolleyes:
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#10
The Vlade and even Vivek portions of that tripe are just boilerplate for those guys. They were pushing that last summer, will take advantage of pushing it now. Doesn't actually have much to do with anything going on. Just opportunism.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#11
Are we really still bringing Vivek into this? he's back off as far as reports have indicated and until we all see further reports that refute these reports, he is learning that it isn't easy as pie running a organization into contention over night and I won't bash him right now and just let Vlade handle what he feels he should.
 
#14
I'm starting to think any chance of having a successful team around Cousins ended the moment Malone was fired. As talented as he is, it is probably better for both sides to part ways. Fire Karl and blow it up. Just give us a group of young guys that will play hard every night. My brother is a Nuggets fan, and I would much rather watch a team like that than the crap we are given.
 
#15
The Vlade and even Vivek portions of that tripe are just boilerplate for those guys. They were pushing that last summer, will take advantage of pushing it now. Doesn't actually have much to do with anything going on. Just
We need a real NBA organization that has a vision and puts the peices in place and stays the course. We all like Vlade. But who else hires him as GM with no experience. Who fires coaches every year? Who lets its star player have a hand in running the team. Especially one who is not stable.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#16
We need a real NBA organization that has a vision and puts the peices in place and stays the course. We all like Vlade. But who else hires him as GM with no experience. Who fires coaches every year? Who lets its star player have a hand in running the team. Especially one who is not stable.
I guess that's why we are seeing reports that the minority owners want to have Vivek out as owner, huh? good luck with all that.
 
#18
Guys, I don't know about you but this is precisely what I expected the Karl camp to do. It's a classic Karl/PDA thing to do. Keep putting stuff out there to make the franchise itself look bad and protect themselves of any wrong doing. Expect more of it one he gets fired.

It's how he operates. It's how he has operated his entire career.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#21
i wouldn't blame him over the ineptness of Karl to put a decent scheme together
Rondo is what he is...he gambles on defense and plays passing lanes and uses instinct more than playing man to man and in result, his man scores on him numerous times and with ease.
 
#22
Rondo is what he is...he gambles on defense and plays passing lanes and uses instinct more than playing man to man and in result, his man scores on him numerous times and with ease.
he certainly isnt blameless but the fact is we play pretty poor defense across the board and Karl has only enabled that through emphasizing offense, pace and having ridiculous rotations
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#23
he certainly isnt blameless but the fact is we play pretty poor defense across the board and Karl has only enabled that through emphasizing offense, pace and having ridiculous rotations
let's see how much different the players approach is once old timer is gone
 
#24
let's see how much different the players approach is once old timer is gone
the next coaching hire is the most important decision ever made in the history of our franchise. We have already lost time. Too much time. There is a huge difference between scott brooks and tom thibodeau. A huge difference. We absolutely need to get our man.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#25
the next coaching hire is the most important decision ever made in the history of our franchise. We have already lost time. Too much time. There is a huge difference between scott brooks and tom thibodeau. A huge difference. We absolutely need to get our man.
I don't care much for Scott Brooks and Thibodeau should not be the only option here. The team can always find a up and coming coach and groom him and from the beginning set a standard and precedent on how the team needs to play overall.
 
#26
the next coaching hire is the most important decision ever made in the history of our franchise. We have already lost time. Too much time. There is a huge difference between scott brooks and tom thibodeau. A huge difference. We absolutely need to get our man.
Agree completely. The next hire is going to have a pretty big impact, because we can't afford to fire any more coaches (in more ways that one :p) to try and win with Cousins as the centerpiece. If the next hire doesn't work out, trading Cousins should become a very very significant possibility, even if it comes together with firing the coach.
 
#27
I don't care much for Scott Brooks and Thibodeau should not be the only option here. The team can always find a up and coming coach and groom him and from the beginning set a standard and precedent on how the team needs to play overall.
agreed. If its not Tom in needs to be a malone like candidate.

Vlade has this decision and the future of the franchise and its relevance for the future depends squarely on it
 
#28
Guys, I don't know about you but this is precisely what I expected the Karl camp to do. It's a classic Karl/PDA thing to do. Keep putting stuff out there to make the franchise itself look bad and protect themselves of any wrong doing. Expect more of it one he gets fired.

It's how he operates. It's how he has operated his entire career.
People here want a lightning rod to focus all thier anger on. Right now it is Karl. But these things start at the top. And go all the way down. It's pretty sad we have these multi millionare athetes who don't care about the fans. Who mail it in because they aren't getting what they want.
 
#29
People here want a lightning rod to focus all thier anger on. Right now it is Karl. But these things start at the top. And go all the way down. It's pretty sad we have these multi millionare athetes who don't care about the fans. Who mail it in because they aren't getting what they want.
That's your opinion, and it's as wrong as heck.
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
#30
People here want a lightning rod to focus all thier anger on. Right now it is Karl. But these things start at the top. And go all the way down. It's pretty sad we have these multi millionare athetes who don't care about the fans. Who mail it in because they aren't getting what they want.
First of all, the multi-millionaire angle doesn't add up to anything worth complaining about. The reason athletes get paid as much as they do is that we all want to watch them play and TV time is worth a lot in advertising revenue. If we don't want to pay DeMarcus $15 million to play for our team, some other team will gladly pick up the tab for us. And the same goes for most of the other players on the team. You don't think they care about the fans? I think sometimes they care a little too much what other people think about them. What about multi-millionaire coaches who don't want to do their job? What about multi-millionaire owners who gut the team, sell off everybody and still charge the same price for tickets or threaten to move the team if you don't build them a brand new arena with tax money to replace the 20 year old arena they currently play in? Are you saying it's only the players who ever act immaturely?

And actually, George Karl makes for a pretty poor scapegoat for all the reasons he was hired here in the first place. He's respected by everyone in basketball for what he's accomplished in his career. I'm convinced that George Karl needs to be fired to the extant that I am only because of what I've seen and heard this year since he's been the coach of the Kings. If I really thought the only problem with this team is that the players aren't playing hard I would have no problem trading all of them. But what if you bring in 15 new players and nothing changes because the coach was the bigger problem and he's the one guy you kept? What makes it any more likely to you that the players are the problem instead of the coach?

Nobody here knows 100% what's wrong with this team and how to fix it. We're just speculating based on what we see and read about and hear in interviews. Some of us think firing George Karl could have a positive effect on the team. Not because the players have quit out of spite but because his methods are just not effective. It would take a lot to convince me that guys like DeMarcus Cousins and Rajon Rondo aren't doing everything they can to win basketball games. If what they're doing is wrong in some way (and something is going on here which is making our defense the worst in the league) than the coach needs to be able to identify what's wrong and offer solutions. I don't think anyone can objectively look at our roster and say that we have the worst combination of defensive talent in the league. If after several months we're making zero progress on that end and instead getting worse, maybe it's reasonable to conclude that he doesn't have it, he's not going to acquire it somehow 53 games into his 27th year as an NBA head coach, and we're only going to get better as a team by replacing him with someone else who has different ideas about playing defense.