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pdxKingsFan

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#91
Wait, people didn't like Hawes because he's a Republican?
I could care less, but if he was born in Mississippi I think he'd have been a Che t-shirt wearing bong ripping aughts version of Bill Walton. He's an attention whore and a d-bag.
 
#92
As I posted earlier, there are MANY precedents to this. You should know, the Seattle sale to Bennett is one of them. Ellison had a higher bid to buy the team and move it to San Jose. Bennet had a lower bid and promised to make an effort to keep the team in Seattle. Chopp ended that effort, the team moved.

But it isn't the same, again, I'll reiterate, Schultz chose a lower sale price, the NBA didn't force him to take Bennett's deal. Also, Schultz had other investments outside of his ownership in the Sonics. The Maloofs primary investment these days is the Kings from what I can tell, plus they'd be dictated terms as to who they are selling to. Its not the same situation. Rejecting a Hansen sale only to sell at a lower valuation to Ranadive is not in the Maloofs interest. They want to maximize as much money out of this as they can. Just because Schultz chose to accept a lower bid doesn't mean the Maloofs will do the same, in fact every indication is they want a lot of money out of this deal as they are going broke.
 
#93
ut oh, Georgie is wish washing now.

Bryan May ‏@BMayNews10 21m

In exclusive interview w/News10 George Maloof says he's ok either way this turns out & is ready for it be over.
But sounds better for us and for those thinking they would keep the team if forced to stay this says nope.
 

VF21

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#94
Wait, people didn't like Hawes because he's a Republican?
No, SOME people didn't like Hawes because he flaunted his Republican views, regardless of the topic being discussed. This was when we first signed him and he mellowed, but the damage was done. It just got worse from there.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#95
Oh great, if George is just ready for it to be over they'll announce a 2 month extension just to jerk his chains.
 
#96
But it isn't the same, again, I'll reiterate, Schultz chose a lower sale price, the NBA didn't force him to take Bennett's deal. Also, Schultz had other investments outside of his ownership in the Sonics. The Maloofs primary investment these days is the Kings from what I can tell, plus they'd be dictated terms as to who they are selling to. Its not the same situation. Rejecting a Hansen sale only to sell at a lower valuation to Ranadive is not in the Maloofs interest. They want to maximize as much money out of this as they can. Just because Schultz chose to accept a lower bid doesn't mean the Maloofs will do the same, in fact every indication is they want a lot of money out of this deal as they are going broke.
Your splitting hairs. We don't know if the NBA told him that Ellison would not be approved to move the team and he got the best offer from Bennett who said he would stay. We do know the league turned down Ellison for the Hornets and he was forced out of the Warriors bid. So it would fall in line that Shultz knew he couldn't sell to Ellison even if he wanted.
 
#97
You're right, KJ did a great job to get that deal for your city, and as an outsider I thought that would go through. Terrible owners got in the way. I guess I meant the NBA was orchestrating a way for a new arena deal plus new owners that weren't engaging in shady business practices. Fill me in, prior to KJ, is Sacramento known as a tough political city to get a public subsidy done? I guess I'm just basing assumptions on my impression of Californian politics.
It was tough yes but the maloofs were shady from the start, they were out of towners who may have bought to relocate in the first place but ran into dumb luck in the early 2000's when they bought the team. they endorsed a tax increase which would be voted on then proceeded to trash at the last minute, oh and making a commercial flaunting your billion dollar net worth wasnt going to go over well when asking for tax payer dollars. im sure i missed a few things but regardless of political climate the city never stopped trying, then KJ just took it too a whole other level.

I dont buy that the league is using hansen/ballmer as a chip to out the maloofs, you dont use people of that magnatude without some type of consequence, the league knows the maloofs were not going to survive long term financially after burning the city so i doubt they felt the need to bring in hansen. they knew the maloofs time to sell would come. they wouldnt deliberate this long if seattle didnt have a real shot at the kings.
 

funkykingston

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#98
But it isn't the same, again, I'll reiterate, Schultz chose a lower sale price, the NBA didn't force him to take Bennett's deal. Also, Schultz had other investments outside of his ownership in the Sonics. The Maloofs primary investment these days is the Kings from what I can tell, plus they'd be dictated terms as to who they are selling to. Its not the same situation. Rejecting a Hansen sale only to sell at a lower valuation to Ranadive is not in the Maloofs interest. They want to maximize as much money out of this as they can. Just because Schultz chose to accept a lower bid doesn't mean the Maloofs will do the same, in fact every indication is they want a lot of money out of this deal as they are going broke.
And again I'll reiterate that if the NBA strikes down the sale to Hansen the only deal on the table will be from the Sacramento group. You acknowledge that they are going broke so I'll ask - do you think they'd take that deal (where their cut would be around $16-$20 million less than what Hansen has upped his offer to) or do you think they'd refuse, hold on to the team (possibly losing that much money next year owning a bottom dwelling team that they have neither the means or motivation to improve for a fanbase that has turned on them) and spend millions fighting the NBA in court?
 
#99
And again I'll reiterate that if the NBA strikes down the sale to Hansen the only deal on the table will be from the Sacramento group. You acknowledge that they are going broke so I'll ask - do you think they'd take that deal (where their cut would be around $16-$20 million less than what Hansen has upped his offer to) or do you think they'd refuse, hold on to the team (possibly losing that much money next year owning a bottom dwelling team that they have neither the means or motivation to improve for a fanbase that has turned on them) and spend millions fighting the NBA in court?
AL_NorCal ‏@AL_NorCal 12m

@CarmichaelDave Brian May on @GrantNapearshow "George Maloof said " We will take the Sacramento bid if needed, but want this over with"
Maloofs are out for sure.
 
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And again I'll reiterate that if the NBA strikes down the sale to Hansen the only deal on the table will be from the Sacramento group. You acknowledge that they are going broke so I'll ask - do you think they'd take that deal (where their cut would be around $16-$20 million less than what Hansen has upped his offer to) or do you think they'd refuse, hold on to the team (possibly losing that much money next year owning a bottom dwelling team that they have neither the means or motivation to improve for a fanbase that has turned on them) and spend millions fighting the NBA in court?
in all fairness, this is the maloofs, logic isnt their strongsuit.
 
Prior to KJ, Sacramento managed to put forth various efforts to subsidize an arena. The most famous one being a effort that went to public vote and, just a couple of weeks prior to the vote the Maloofs came out publicly and stated that they didn't endorse that deal, that it was not good for the city. Then their $6 million dollar burger ad came out and sealed the deal - the measure was defeated 80% to 20%.

All along the way they have rejected and sabotaged any attempt to build an arena or do anything that would bind them to a long term deal.
This is because their goal since they bought the team was to increase the value by moving it to a more larger market. Can't remember who, but a minority owner stated as much recently. Their actions all along make a lot more sense from this viewpoint.
 
But it isn't the same, again, I'll reiterate, Schultz chose a lower sale price, the NBA didn't force him to take Bennett's deal. Also, Schultz had other investments outside of his ownership in the Sonics. The Maloofs primary investment these days is the Kings from what I can tell, plus they'd be dictated terms as to who they are selling to. Its not the same situation. Rejecting a Hansen sale only to sell at a lower valuation to Ranadive is not in the Maloofs interest. They want to maximize as much money out of this as they can. Just because Schultz chose to accept a lower bid doesn't mean the Maloofs will do the same, in fact every indication is they want a lot of money out of this deal as they are going broke.
The NBA is not eBay. They are not required to ONLY look at the high bid. Consider if a known criminal had the high bid would the BOG have to sell him the team? Or if A billionaire wanted to buy and move a team to Anchorage and they had the high bid should the BOG grant it? 2 years ago the BOG did not approve the move of the Kings to Anaslime (larger TV market) arguably in part because there are fine examples of small market teams the OUTPERFORM large market teams (look at OKC now) My point is that high bid is is not a deciding issue here, especially when the BM are already reaping WAY over market value for their team.
 
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funkykingston

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i would still proceed with caution, the maloofs have been known to go back on their word.
I'd agree in most cases but I really think this is a sign the Maloofs are out.

We have to assume they've now seen the Sacramento bid which means they know exactly what they'd net in that deal. That being the case, if George wasn't really comfortable taking the Sacramento offer if Hansen's bid is voted down then why make the comment? Why not say nothing at all? Or why not say that you prefer to proceed with your agreed upon sale? If nothing else, it doesn't help the notion of an anti-trust suit when you make public comments that you'll take either deal once the Sacramento groups bid was officially submitted.

I've tried not to get too up or down based on any piece of news, but if this is an accurate quote from George Maloof then that's a significant boost for Sacramento's chances.
 

Glenn

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I'd agree in most cases but I really think this is a sign the Maloofs are out.

We have to assume they've now seen the Sacramento bid which means they know exactly what they'd net in that deal. That being the case, if George wasn't really comfortable taking the Sacramento offer if Hansen's bid is voted down then why make the comment? Why not say nothing at all? Or why not say that you prefer to proceed with your agreed upon sale? If nothing else, it doesn't help the notion of an anti-trust suit when you make public comments that you'll take either deal once the Sacramento groups bid was officially submitted.

I've tried not to get too up or down based on any piece of news, but if this is an accurate quote from George Maloof then that's a significant boost for Sacramento's chances.
I would also add in a very biased bit of optimism that George said this as he sees that the vote may go against Hansen and he will have to deal with that. Perhaps the battle has been won. OK, OK, calm down!!!!
 
Like i was saying.......

Ryan Lillis ‏@Ryan_Lillis 1m
Spokesman says George Maloof would “prefer that (vote on Kings sale) be sooner.” Didn’t mean he was OK with either outcome
 

funkykingston

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I would also add in a very biased bit of optimism that George said this as he sees that the vote may go against Hansen and he will have to deal with that. Perhaps the battle has been won. OK, OK, calm down!!!!
Again, I'm trying to be even keeled about all of this, but I WILL say that whatever it is that we think we know I can guarantee that the major players (the Maloofs, Hansen/Ballmer, KJ, Ranadive/Mastrov) have more insight. It certainly is possible that George has an idea of where this is headed, but I don't want to go too far down the road of positive speculation.
 

Glenn

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Again, I'm trying to be even keeled about all of this, but I WILL say that whatever it is that we think we know I can guarantee that the major players (the Maloofs, Hansen/Ballmer, KJ, Ranadive/Mastrov) have more insight. It certainly is possible that George has an idea of where this is headed, but I don't want to go too far down the road of positive speculation.
You're no fun!


Edit: You are correct though. It seems that the Maloofs want their money now. That certainly sounds like George. The note that said they would be OK with the back up bid seems to be to grease the skids. Unfortunately for them and us yet best for the NBA is that the BOG wants to be sure that an arena can be built. Perhaps the arena's construction truly is the only issue in play at the moment. That's what a spokesperson (can't keep them straight) indicated was holding things up.

Now switching to Kings fan persona, the only thing that could be resolved in a few weeks is if a few parcels of land can be sold to the Sacramento group. I doubt if that time frame was to allow a legal process to run its route. (I'm not sure exactly what law suit is holding things up in Seattle or actually if there is one)
 
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Warhawk

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Correct, but the land is useless if the EIR and/or lawsuits say they can't put the arena there.
Oh, I agree. The point was the land acquisition, not the ultimate approval of said land for arena use. It was just a check box item in a discussion. I wasn't addressing the larger potential lawsuit that could prevent it's use. that could also (potentially) happen in Sacramento as well.
 
This:

AL_NorCal ‏@AL_NorCal 12m

@CarmichaelDave Brian May on @GrantNapearshow "George Maloof said " We will take the Sacramento bid if needed, but want this over with"
Bryan May ‏@BMayNews10 21m

In exclusive interview w/News10 George Maloof says he's ok either way this turns out & is ready for it be over.

And then this:


Like i was saying.......

Ryan Lillis ‏@Ryan_Lillis 1m
Spokesman says George Maloof would “prefer that (vote on Kings sale) be sooner.” Didn’t mean he was OK with either outcome
Ok I have to call pathology here.

George is sick. Mentally ill. And I mean in the literal, serious way, not as an insult. Pathological liar. From the wikipidia article:

Excessive lying is a common symptom of several mental illnesses. For instance people who suffer from antisocial personality disorder use lying to benefit from others. Some individuals with borderline personality disorder lie for attention by claiming they’ve been treated poorly (though it is not diagnostic).[7] Pathological lying, on the other hand, can be described as an addiction to lying. It is when an individual consistently lies for no personal gain. The lies are commonly transparent and often seem rather pointless.[8]
I think it's a compulsion with him. It's beyond our rational ability to comprehend because he does not lie for rational reasons.
 
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Glenn

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I suspect we all have known someone who lies when the truth would have worked just fine.

I'm not sure those two tweets are indicative of lying but just someone calming George down to be less impulsive in releasing thoughts. Impulsive he is.
 
I suspect we all have known someone who lies when the truth would have worked just fine.

I'm not sure those two tweets are indicative of lying but just someone calming George down to be less impulsive in releasing thoughts. Impulsive he is.
or hansen laid the smackdown after seeing that.
 
I suspect we all have known someone who lies when the truth would have worked just fine.

I'm not sure those two tweets are indicative of lying but just someone calming George down to be less impulsive in releasing thoughts. Impulsive he is.
What about his history?

C'mon Glenn pile on here.
 

Glenn

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What about his history?

C'mon Glenn pile on here.
My diagnosis based on all available evidence is that he is a spoiled arrogant bastard who finds it impossible to tolerate frustration. Kinda like a 2 year old. I don't think the other brothers are like him at least their public face. I'd love to know what went on in this family that they thought George should be the boss of this operation unless he was the only one with a smidgeon of business sense.
 
My diagnosis based on all available evidence is that he is a spoiled arrogant bastard who finds it impossible to tolerate frustration. Kinda like a 2 year old. I don't think the other brothers are like him at least their public face. I'd love to know what went on in this family that they thought George should be the boss of this operation unless he was the only one with a smidgeon of business sense.
It certainly does make you wonder about the internal workings of the family.
 

Glenn

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I think Mama Maloof took away Gavin and Joe's toy and grounded them indefinitely. Although ..... wasn't George in charge of the Palms? Oh, who cares? This is like TDOS except more serious. Every once in a while I need a break from the deadly seriousness.
 
I think Mama Maloof took away Gavin and Joe's toy and grounded them indefinitely. Although ..... wasn't George in charge of the Palms? Oh, who cares? This is like TDOS except more serious. Every once in a while I need a break from the deadly seriousness.
TDOS has grabbed hold of us with a fury this year.