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Sean Cunningham ‏@SeanCunningham 27m27 minutes ago
VIDEO: DeMarcus Cousins talks Florin HS rally, Kings offseason & upcoming coaching search http://www.abc10.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/demarcus-cousins-throws-local-high-school-pep-rally-talks-sacramento-kings-coaching-search/135904381…

Aaron Bruski ‏@aaronbruski 15m15 minutes ago
As usual, @SeanCunningham is the best interviewer in the land. Also, if you don’t think Vlade+DMC on the same page you’ll get there.

Aaron Bruski ‏@aaronbruski 14m14 minutes ago
Big reason Vlade didn’t go after DMC throughout the year for the Karl stuff - they do see eye to eye on the issue of Karl, who crossed lines
 
I want accountable from everyone on the roster. If we bring back Rondo, he needs to be held accountable for his defense. The last thing I want to see is someone like Ben getting a short ass leash because he let his man score once time, while Rondo consistently lets his man score. I'm glad Cousins wants more accountability. Hopefully he is held accountable too for the times he doesn't get back on defense. We need a culture change here. I don't even care about winning next year. We just need an entire revamp with a bright future.

We can start by bringing in places that actually compliment Cousins... start with a shooting PG that plays defense? Stretch 4 on offense? This team needs a tough-minded coach first. Vlade-Cousins need to set up a plan together. We can't blindly gamble this year. I don't know any team that's turned their franchise around within 1 year. This will take a long time.
 
206Fan said:
I want accountable from everyone on the roster. If we bring back Rondo, he needs to be held accountable for his defense. The last thing I want to see is someone like Ben getting a short ass leash because he let his man score once time, while Rondo consistently lets his man score. I'm glad Cousins wants more accountability. Hopefully he is held accountable too for the times he doesn't get back on defense. We need a culture change here. I don't even care about winning next year. We just need an entire revamp with a bright future.

We can start by bringing in places that actually compliment Cousins... start with a shooting PG that plays defense? Stretch 4 on offense? This team needs a tough-minded coach first. Vlade-Cousins need to set up a plan together. We can't blindly gamble this year. I don't know any team that's turned their franchise around within 1 year. This will take a long time.
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Do you think Collison could be that guy to compliment boogie?
 
SomebodyDoSomethin said:
Do you think Collison could be that guy to compliment boogie?
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Yeah I do. However, he's not really great at any one thing. Most PGs today are either: great scorers, passers, or defenders. Someone like Mike Conley is a mediocre scorer and passer, but he's a great defender. This could be said the same for George Hill. I think Collison is mediocre in almost every aspect of his game, and he doesn't particularly excel in any one category. So while I think DC is a good fit for Cousins, I think he'd still need to improve on at least 1 aspect of his game. DC is a good scorer, but he doesn't have what it takes to be 18ppg scorer. He's a good passer, but it won't be over 6apg. He's a solid defender, but it's not enough to go up against top 10 PGs.

I'd really like to see DC improve on his defense. His offensive game compliments Cousins really well. He can play off the ball, and shoot 3s. I think if we do have Collison as our PG, we'd need a very strong SG to compliment him. Someone like Bradley Beal if possible. Someone with a scorer's mindset.

I don't think it's hard to build around Cousins, but the Kings just don't really have the assets right now. Almost every team in the NBA has an elite guard...except us. So in theory, it should be easy to build around Cousins since most players now, are jumpshooters. The Kings just need to cash in on those jumpshooters.
 
206Fan said:
Yeah I do. However, he's not really great at any one thing. Most PGs today are either: great scorers, passers, or defenders. Someone like Mike Conley is a mediocre scorer and passer, but he's a great defender. This could be said the same for George Hill. I think Collison is mediocre in almost every aspect of his game, and he doesn't particularly excel in any one category. So while I think DC is a good fit for Cousins, I think he'd still need to improve on at least 1 aspect of his game. DC is a good scorer, but he doesn't have what it takes to be 18ppg scorer. He's a good passer, but it won't be over 6apg. He's a solid defender, but it's not enough to go up against top 10 PGs.

I'd really like to see DC improve on his defense. His offensive game compliments Cousins really well. He can play off the ball, and shoot 3s. I think if we do have Collison as our PG, we'd need a very strong SG to compliment him. Someone like Bradley Beal if possible. Someone with a scorer's mindset.

I don't think it's hard to build around Cousins, but the Kings just don't really have the assets right now. Almost every team in the NBA has an elite guard...except us. So in theory, it should be easy to build around Cousins since most players now, are jumpshooters. The Kings just need to cash in on those jumpshooters.
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The thing that really hurt this franchise was whiffing in the 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 drafts. That's the true reason why this franchise is where it is at. They got one thing right and it was the big one, the found themselves a blue chip prospect that developed into a star level talent. What they didn't provide was a stable environment and good young, complimentary talent to grow with him.
 
Boogie_Fever said:
The thing that really hurt this franchise was whiffing in the 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 drafts. That's the true reason why this franchise is where it is at. They got one thing right and it was the big one, the found themselves a blue chip prospect that developed into a star level talent. What they didn't provide was a stable environment and good young, complimentary talent to grow with him.
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Pretty much....I said when they missed on two straight lottery picks that that would hold them back another few seasons just because of their drafting alone, which was disgusting out right.
 
Boogie_Fever said:
The thing that really hurt this franchise was whiffing in the 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 drafts. That's the true reason why this franchise is where it is at. They got one thing right and it was the big one, the found themselves a blue chip prospect that developed into a star level talent. What they didn't provide was a stable environment and good young, complimentary talent to grow with him.
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Small market teams will always be hurt more by poor drafting. And the Kings just had an awful stretch for a few years. Cousins deserves some criticism but the ire of Kings fans should really be directed at the front offices that whiffed spectacularly for four straight years.
 
Boogie_Fever said:
The thing that really hurt this franchise was whiffing in the 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 drafts. That's the true reason why this franchise is where it is at. They got one thing right and it was the big one, the found themselves a blue chip prospect that developed into a star level talent. What they didn't provide was a stable environment and good young, complimentary talent to grow with him.
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I had a quick look at it:

In 2011 we passed on Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nicola Vucevic, Iman Shumpert, Jimmy Butler etc...
In 2012 we passed on Damian Lillard, Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond, Mayers Leonard, Evan Fournier etc....
In 2013 we passed on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, C.J. McCollum, Michael Carter-Williams, Giannis Antetokuonmpo, Rudy Gobert etc...
In 2014 we passed on Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Zach LaVine, Doug McDermott, Jusuf Nurkic, Rodney Hood, Clint Capela Kyle Anderson etc...

So clearly this team does not excel in scouting and evaluation. Probably the weakest side of the team. We should probably make a note of the fact that GSW drafted Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes, Festus Ezeli etc. In other words, their starting roster is basically home made (or brewed). Also OKC/Seattle drafted Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Adams etc.
 
So did many other teams. Most of the guys on that list are exceptions (there are a few guys, who probably don't belong), and their teams were lucky to get often incredible improvements from them.
Speaking of Golden State I would like to note, that not one guy was acquired after trading up in the draft, so it certainly doesn't look like they were "we know this guy is going to be great, we must do everything to get him". They just picked, what dropped into their hands. What they did though was a plan to draft for shooting/passing on O and length/quickness on D. Good teams do that. Kings only have the plan since last spring. Early results seem ok as far as draft is concerned.
 
Gilles said:
So did many other teams. Most of the guys on that list are exceptions (there are a few guys, who probably don't belong), and their teams were lucky to get often incredible improvements from them.
Speaking of Golden State I would like to note, that not one guy was acquired after trading up in the draft, so it certainly doesn't look like they were "we know this guy is going to be great, we must do everything to get him". They just picked, what dropped into their hands. What they did though was a plan to draft for shooting/passing on O and length/quickness on D. Good teams do that. Kings only have the plan since last spring. Early results seem ok as far as draft is concerned.
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Yes they did and I'm sure it hurts them now. However, a team like the Kings that has spent so many years in the lottery should have a plan of the type of basketball they want to play (as you said) and work with a plan to build a roster that fits together. I'm for system oriented basketball and against star centered rosters. Stars will be born anyway down the road. I don't think the Warriors anticipated the flight Curry was going to ride, but he still fits the system perfectly. The GSW plays well also without him. I'm talking about serious flops like Jimmer, Robinson and Stauskas. I can't see any of them coming to fill a specific need or being part of a plan. You can always say that the Cavaliers took Anthony Bennett at #1. I think we can do better and I'm more confident now when Vlade is at the helm. He seems to have a vision.
 
Kingston Jamaica said:
I had a quick look at it:

In 2011 we passed on Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nicola Vucevic, Iman Shumpert, Jimmy Butler etc...
In 2012 we passed on Damian Lillard, Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond, Mayers Leonard, Evan Fournier etc....
In 2013 we passed on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, C.J. McCollum, Michael Carter-Williams, Giannis Antetokuonmpo, Rudy Gobert etc...
In 2014 we passed on Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Zach LaVine, Doug McDermott, Jusuf Nurkic, Rodney Hood, Clint Capela Kyle Anderson etc...

So clearly this team does not excel in scouting and evaluation. Probably the weakest side of the team. We should probably make a note of the fact that GSW drafted Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes, Festus Ezeli etc. In other words, their starting roster is basically home made (or brewed). Also OKC/Seattle drafted Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Adams etc.
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Gilles said:
So did many other teams. Most of the guys on that list are exceptions (there are a few guys, who probably don't belong), and their teams were lucky to get often incredible improvements from them.
Speaking of Golden State I would like to note, that not one guy was acquired after trading up in the draft, so it certainly doesn't look like they were "we know this guy is going to be great, we must do everything to get him". They just picked, what dropped into their hands. What they did though was a plan to draft for shooting/passing on O and length/quickness on D. Good teams do that. Kings only have the plan since last spring. Early results seem ok as far as draft is concerned.
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Yes, lots of teams passed on good players in drafts just like the Kings did. And most of those teams keep returning to the lottery just like the Kings do.

I won't pretend I'm a draft guru of any type (I wasn't at all sold on Steph Curry coming out) but just looking at those lists I picture all the guys I wanted in those first three drafts. Leonard, Drummond, & McCollum. To be fair, I was okay with the McLemore pick and I only really wanted CJ McCollum if the team was resigning Tyreke. If they did:

C Andre Drummond
PF DeMarcus Cousins
SF Kawhi Leonard
SG/PG Tyreke Evans
PG/SG CJ McCollum

Throw in some bench players (shooters, an athletic PF and/or stretch 4, change of pace PG etc) and you have a big defensive team that I'd love to watch. Could Drummond and Cuz be as effective sharing the court? Is there enough shooting? Who would be the right coach for this type of roster?

Lots of questions to be answered but even if ultimately guys from that team had to be traded to make things fit, it's still a huge leap better than drafting Jimmer, Robinson & McLemore, not to mention Stauskas.

The Kings would then be in the position you want to be in - drafting for depth and allowing those young guys to develop as part of a winning team.
 
Just watched the video, and I have to say I chuckled when Cousins talked about accountability from first to last on the roster in terms of what he wanted from a head coach.
 
mac said:
Just watched the video, and I have to say I chuckled when Cousins talked about accountability from first to last on the roster in terms of what he wanted from a head coach.
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Well, some might say that Cousins has been "accountable" to the tune of an average of 25.5ppg, 12.1rpg, and 1.5blk per game the past 2 seasons --- not to mention an overwhelmingly higher % of wins when he plays versus when he doesn't. That type of accountability is missing from the rest of the roster.
 
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KingsFanSince85 said:
Well, some might say that Cousins has been "accountable" to the tune of an average of 25.5ppg, 12.1rpg, and 1.5blk per game the past 2 seasons --- not to mention an overwhelmingly higher % of wins when he plays versus when he doesn't. That type of accountability is missing from the rest of the roster.
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I really doubt that's the kind of accountability that coaches/players ever speak of. It's almost always used to refer to playing hard no matter what, practising hard and to a lesser extent accepting coach's decisions. Pop is known to treat every guy the same (in terms of coaching) from Duncan to the 15th man. Conversely the Spurs stars are known for their willingness to accept what Pop does and not undermine his decisions or better yet, yell at him during a game.

But don't worry, next time any player or coach talks about accountability I'll know they're talking about stats.
 
mac said:
Just watched the video, and I have to say I chuckled when Cousins talked about accountability from first to last on the roster in terms of what he wanted from a head coach.
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Why? I mean we all heard the reports of Rondo and Cousins getting at Karl and ask him to hold them accountable. We all saw the leash Rondo or even worse Bellinelli had and how quickly our young fellas like Ben and Willie were pulled out of games after minor mistakes. I certainly wasn't on the anti Karl train from the beginning, but it became pretty clear, that he never treated the 15th guy on the roster like the 1th and it was even more obvious, that all blame was shifted to the players and Karl never held himself accountable to begin with.
It didn't suprise me, that Cousins wants a coach, that will challenge him to a degree and will treat everyone the same.
 
KingsFanGER said:
Why? I mean we all heard the reports of Rondo and Cousins getting at Karl and ask him to hold them accountable. We all saw the leash Rondo or even worse Bellinelli had and how quickly our young fellas like Ben and Willie were pulled out of games after minor mistakes. I certainly wasn't on the anti Karl train from the beginning, but it became pretty clear, that he never treated the 15th guy on the roster like the 1th and it was even more obvious, that all blame was shifted to the players and Karl never held himself accountable to begin with.
It didn't suprise me, that Cousins wants a coach, that will challenge him to a degree and will treat everyone the same.
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I agree with Marco's leash vs WCS but again I don't consider that to be what players and coaches speak of when talking about accountability. It's rarely ever about actual performance and more about effort in execution.

Youre telling me Cousins wants to be treated like the 15th man, and yet year after year it's about finding a coach that Cousins gets along with, regardless of the rest of the roster? Yet he refuses to take responsibility when any disciplinary action from the coach is taken against him? Yet it's okay for him to get thrown out of games or not get back on D when his team is playing hard? I don't want to turn this into another negative/positive DMC thread, but equal accountability is not something that his actions suggest.
 
mac said:
I agree with Marco's leash vs WCS but again I don't consider that to be what players and coaches speak of when talking about accountability. It's rarely ever about actual performance and more about effort in execution.

Youre telling me Cousins wants to be treated like the 15th man, and yet year after year it's about finding a coach that Cousins gets along with, regardless of the rest of the roster? Yet he refuses to take responsibility when any disciplinary action from the coach is taken against him? Yet it's okay for him to get thrown out of games or not get back on D when his team is playing hard? I don't want to turn this into another negative/positive DMC thread, but equal accountability is not something that his actions suggest.
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I don't know what Cousins means with accountability. For me it means to be held accountable for all of your actions on and off the court.
Does Cousins want to be treated like the 15th man? Again I can't answer that, because I don't know him and can only work with the picture I paint for myself of the human being Demarcus Cousins. I think about the coaches he got along with and see two guys, that will point out mistakes, give the players a structure, ask for certain behaviours and certain actions on and off the court. They do all that without being a dictator. They seem to live to the same standards they set for the players. They are in the same boat as the players and follow the same common goal.
Now when Cousins speaks of accountability from the first guy to the last on the roster I think he means just that. I think he views the coach as part of the roster and wants someone, who lives what he preaches.
Cousins problem might be, that it's hard for him to hold himself accountable all the time. But he might be aware of that and he might even want someone to help him with that.
Last night Stan van Gundy basically repeated the same things in Timeouts during the game: "Poise, discipline, hustle, fight!"They might outplay us, but they won't outwork us!" Reggie Jackson rightfully got upset during the game and got himself a T and Stan immediatly reacted by talking to him and refocusing him on the common goal.
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I do believe this type of coaching would fit Cousins quite well. Of course not all of his antics would stop, but he already showed, that he can control himself much better, when there is a constant voice of reason around him, basically telling him "Yes it sucks, it's unfair, it's an uphill battle, but it's us versus them and we will not fold, but put up a fight!"
 
KingsFanGER said:
I don't know what Cousins means with accountability. For me it means to be held accountable for all of your actions on and off the court.
Does Cousins want to be treated like the 15th man? Again I can't answer that, because I don't know him and can only work with the picture I paint for myself of the human being Demarcus Cousins. I think about the coaches he got along with and see two guys, that will point out mistakes, give the players a structure, ask for certain behaviours and certain actions on and off the court. They do all that without being a dictator. They seem to live to the same standards they set for the players. They are in the same boat as the players and follow the same common goal.
Now when Cousins speaks of accountability from the first guy to the last on the roster I think he means just that. I think he views the coach as part of the roster and wants someone, who lives what he preaches.
Cousins problem might be, that it's hard for him to hold himself accountable all the time. But he might be aware of that and he might even want someone to help him with that.
Last night Stan van Gundy basically repeated the same things in Timeouts during the game: "Poise, discipline, hustle, fight!"They might outplay us, but they won't outwork us!" Reggie Jackson rightfully got upset during the game and got himself a T and Stan immediatly reacted by talking to him and refocusing him on the common goal.
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I do believe this type of coaching would fit Cousins quite well. Of course not all of his antics would stop, but he already showed, that he can control himself much better, when there is a constant voice of reason around him, basically telling him "Yes it sucks, it's unfair, it's an uphill battle, but it's us versus them and we will not fold, but put up a fight!"
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Which to me sounds more like someone who he likes and who will support him no matter what. That's not accountability. That's just being agreeable because you like a guy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Karl is the embodiment of accountability or the perfect coach or anything of that sort. But if you look over Cousins' career, including this year, you will have a hard time convincing me that he's ever really held himself accountable or been willing to be held accountable for his actions. He has played hard many times, but has also taken plays off many times, or said or done things that brought about drama that was not beneficial for the team, or gotten himself ejected or fouled out for stupid reasons. As has been mentioned by many, he always somehow finds his way to be in the middle of any sort of drama or conflict. Rudy Gay's play was inconsistent and bad this season, but he wasn't having problems with the coach and whatnot. To me, if it seems as if everything revolves around a guy, he's probably not holding himself to the same level of accountability as the rest of the team. Anyway, enough of this before this becomes another Cousins-Anti-Cousins debate :)
 
funkykingston said:
Small market teams will always be hurt more by poor drafting. And the Kings just had an awful stretch for a few years. Cousins deserves some criticism but the ire of Kings fans should really be directed at the front offices that whiffed spectacularly for four straight years.
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While I agree, the problem is, the front office is for the most part, Vlade. And he wasn't here and isn't responsible for any of those bad choices. So for the most part, were blaming ghosts. The question is, are fans willing to cut Vlade some slack and give him the time to turn things around? Do they have confidence that he's the right guy for the job? Why were at, where were at, isn't a mystery. The biggest question is, what do we do about it? The national media may be wrong about some of the details, but they're right about one thing. The Kings are a mess. And like any mess, if you try to solve everything at once, you become overwhelmed.

The problem has to be solved one step at a time, and that takes time, which takes patience, which is running short. The idea that anyone can fix a problem in one off season, that was 10 years in the making, is ridiculous. But that seems to be the general consensus. I get that the fans want a winner. What I couldn't understand was that Vivek totally bought into it, and started making promises that were almost impossible to fulfill. While in some ways that was admirable, it was also stupid. He could have vied for time, and I think with the current atmosphere then, the fans would have been willing to give it to him. After all, he has just saved the team. He had PR and credibility to burn.

Instead he decided to ride the wave of success and set the bar of expectations far higher than it should have been set. When you rush, you make mistakes, and a lot of mistakes were made. Now is the time to reset the bar, and ignore the critics. Stick to a plan, whatever it is. For once, find out what the final outcome is. Make decisions on what makes the team better, and not what makes good PR. Petrie, love him or hate him, almost got booed off the stage when he announced that the Kings had drafted Peja. It wasn't a good PR move, but as it turned out, it was a great move for the team. Vlade needs to have those kind of convictions. I hope he does.
 
bajaden said:
While I agree, the problem is, the front office is for the most part, Vlade. And he wasn't here and isn't responsible for any of those bad choices. So for the most part, were blaming ghosts. The question is, are fans willing to cut Vlade some slack and give him the time to turn things around? Do they have confidence that he's the right guy for the job? Why were at, where were at, isn't a mystery. The biggest question is, what do we do about it? The national media may be wrong about some of the details, but they're right about one thing. The Kings are a mess. And like any mess, if you try to solve everything at once, you become overwhelmed.

The problem has to be solved one step at a time, and that takes time, which takes patience, which is running short. The idea that anyone can fix a problem in one off season, that was 10 years in the making, is ridiculous. But that seems to be the general consensus. I get that the fans want a winner. What I couldn't understand was that Vivek totally bought into it, and started making promises that were almost impossible to fulfill. While in some ways that was admirable, it was also stupid. He could have vied for time, and I think with the current atmosphere then, the fans would have been willing to give it to him. After all, he has just saved the team. He had PR and credibility to burn.

Instead he decided to ride the wave of success and set the bar of expectations far higher than it should have been set. When you rush, you make mistakes, and a lot of mistakes were made. Now is the time to reset the bar, and ignore the critics. Stick to a plan, whatever it is. For once, find out what the final outcome is. Make decisions on what makes the team better, and not what makes good PR. Petrie, love him or hate him, almost got booed off the stage when he announced that the Kings had drafted Peja. It wasn't a good PR move, but as it turned out, it was a great move for the team. Vlade needs to have those kind of convictions. I hope he does.
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I agree that the blame falls on guys no longer with the organization but (1) that still where the blame lies and (2) that's largely why those guys (Petrie and D'Alessandro primarily) are no longer with the team. To me it isn't about solving everything at once and no one can no the future or be right all the time, but it's about making good decisions that are right more often than they are wrong, especially concerning the draft.

As for Vlade gambling on winning now, I'm not sure how much blame he shoulders for that. Just as with the Maloofs apparently influencing the Jimmer pick and how much blame Petrie gets for that. On both counts the reality is that the GM is ultimately responsible for basketball moves made under their leadership. But it's not quite as black and white when your boss is giving you a directive.

Either way, I feel more comfortable moving forward with Vlade than I ever did with PDA even if his decisions haven't panned out as he expected. Mostly because (1) I believe I see what Vlade is trying to accomplish much more than I ever saw with D'Alessandro and (2) because I think Ranadive is learning to be less hands on and let his basketball people do their jobs. This offseason will be a big one for Vlade. He doesn't have to patch every hole, just to show that the team is moving in the right direction in the short and (especially) in the long term.
 
The belief in Divac continues to hang on a very thin thread. His track record so far is one very bad year. The reward is a new contract. Divac is affable, was a good lockeroom guy as a player, is known as a good counselor, and ? He could be good or he could not be good. I certainly see no reason to be more than agnostic when it comes to his future. And frankly, because of all the missteps that Vivek has made so far, I have to be skeptical of the choice. Vivek's intuition on these matters hasn't exactly been golden.​
 
mac said:
But don't worry, next time any player or coach talks about accountability I'll know they're talking about stats.
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You missed the point entirely. The stats merely provide evidence that the guy is very productive. And the drastic win % with him versus without him shouldn't have to be explained.
Despite whatever negatives anybody can point out, his mere presence on the court makes them a much better team than they are without him. I'll take that kind of "accountability" over this other BS all day and everyday.
 
mac said:
Which to me sounds more like someone who he likes and who will support him no matter what. That's not accountability. That's just being agreeable because you like a guy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Karl is the embodiment of accountability or the perfect coach or anything of that sort. But if you look over Cousins' career, including this year, you will have a hard time convincing me that he's ever really held himself accountable or been willing to be held accountable for his actions. He has played hard many times, but has also taken plays off many times, or said or done things that brought about drama that was not beneficial for the team, or gotten himself ejected or fouled out for stupid reasons. As has been mentioned by many, he always somehow finds his way to be in the middle of any sort of drama or conflict. Rudy Gay's play was inconsistent and bad this season, but he wasn't having problems with the coach and whatnot. To me, if it seems as if everything revolves around a guy, he's probably not holding himself to the same level of accountability as the rest of the team. Anyway, enough of this before this becomes another Cousins-Anti-Cousins debate :)
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No I didn't want to describe someone that supports him no matter what. I don't think Malone and Calipari were that kind of guys. More like guys, who can challenge him without playing stupid authority games, because they give him the feeling of them being in the same boat with him.
But you are right. This board doesn't need another Cousins-Anti-Cousins debate. So I will simply leave it that way and finish my post with my thoughts on Gay.
Just because you don't see Gay acting up, getting T's or getting visibly frustrated it doesn't mean, that there are no issues. It just means, that he knows he needs to keep a straight face in public in order to not be painted as a team cancer like DMC which will hurt his market value even more than his inability to win during his career.
 
VF21 said:
I'm pretty sure that ship already pulled away from the dock.
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This is all the ship's fault! The dock is blameless!*

*While I would not claim to "cordially despise allegory in all of its manifestations", this comment is deliberately non-allegorical. No mapping of real individuals to ships or docks is intended or implied.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
This is all the ship's fault! The dock is blameless!*

*While I would not claim to "cordially despise allegory in all of its manifestations", this comment is deliberately non-allegorical. No mapping of real individuals to ships or docks is intended or implied.
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B.S.!!

This is all the docks's fault! Its the ship that is blameless!


And if you don't believe me you are an idiot!
 
No exit interview? First of all (1) why is that funny? (nervous laughter?) and (2) What leads the recently one game suspended Boogie for detrimental conduct to believe GM and player are on same page as result? I am pretty sure when a Godfather is presented to Vlade, Boogie is buh-bye. And now is the time to move him, with two years left on "friendly contract" coming off season of individual statistical success.

Vlade was a player who brought his teammates together. The best Kings teams ever were grandiose because of his attitude and demeanor and mindset and unselfishness as a player. Boogie is the EXACT opposite. This is not opinion This is fact. And this is what Vlade witnessed from the tunnel for 41 games and more on the road trips he subjected himself to. This does not mean we give him away. But we are listening. Make us an offer, NBA. The phone lines are open.
 
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Vlade says DMC will NOT be traded this year
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Glenn
Glenn
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Ceasefire before the next volley?
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HndsmCelt
HndsmCelt
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What are the Kings saying now?
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Merdiesel
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Vlade Divac is now reportedly running the Sacramento Kings, because why not? (Ball Don't Lie)
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