The time to trade Evans has come

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The funny thing, is all but about 5 of us, thought we had a great off season. Almost everyone was happy with how our off season went, except you and I, and a few others. The writing was all over the wall heading into opening night, yet now we have people trying to simplify a very large problem with this organization, and blame it on a couple players,or simply blame it on Reke.

Funny.

Believe me, I have thought of this and even tried to find the thread to resurrect it. :) It slipped to another page and I'm not ticked enough to look for it any further. We are reaping what we sowed and although we tried to sow some seeds, trying doesn't give an end product so here we are.
 
at this point im willing to blow up the reke experiment by trading him for evan turner and vucevic... get more prospects...
 
at this point im willing to blow up the reke experiment by trading him for evan turner and vucevic... get more prospects...

Never? :) We don't need prospects although the way we are playing we may end up with the #1 pick in the draft. We need skilled, role laying vets.
 
The funny thing, is all but about 5 of us, thought we had a great off season. Almost everyone was happy with how our off season went, except you and I, and a few others. The writing was all over the wall heading into opening night, yet now we have people trying to simplify a very large problem with this organization, and blame it on a couple players,or simply blame it on Reke.

Funny.

I don't think many people thought we had a great off season. At least, I didn't, even though I didn't think we had a terrible one. I think that we didn't make enough acquisitions/resignings to be a very good team, but that we did do a decent job given the opportunities that were available. I don't think the issue of overpaying for Dalembert can really be argued one way or the other, because there's no way to know whether the benefit would have been worth the cost in the long run. There's only so much that the front office can do to try and attract FAs, and maybe some posters are right that other players just don't want to play for the Kings not only because of the market but also because of the system, coach etc. But you can't judge what we did in the offseason based on those things. I mean, it's ridiculous to say "The reason why our offseason was bad is because we didn't get a better coach several years ago". I'm not saying that you're saying that btw.

SO ... given what we could possibly have done I don't think we did that terribly. But if you're looking at it as having a checklist of pieces you want to acquire at a certain standard, and then failing to do so then sure, the offseason was less than satisfactory.
 
Never? :) We don't need prospects although the way we are playing we may end up with the #1 pick in the draft. We need skilled, role laying vets.

Ha! with our luck at the lottery? :) that pick will go to the hornets so it becomes a sweet commodity for stern to sell to a new owner... hey maybe after tomorrow I read in the news SLOAN hired by the kings. :) im hopeful
 
The funny thing, is all but about 5 of us, thought we had a great off season. Almost everyone was happy with how our off season went, except you and I, and a few others. The writing was all over the wall heading into opening night, yet now we have people trying to simplify a very large problem with this organization, and blame it on a couple players,or simply blame it on Reke.

Funny.
Amazing isn't it!

What the FO did over the off-season is recruit talented individuals so build on talent base but its such a mis-matched talent its not funny. Every player bar Hayes is looking to score. The system implemented is ridiculous! Shots by committee is not an offence that win in this league. The players are confused to the point where their confidence is shot. And this is not just Tyreke, its everyone on the roster. Every single player is a shadow of themselves other than maybe Hayes.

A number of us saw it a mile away, argued until we were blue in the face and now those that are bitching still don't see the big picture and are blaming Tyreke for anything and everything.

This is exactly what happens when you keep getting scorers and one on one players rather than build a team to win. Evans - Thornton - Cousins is as good a young trio as you could hope to get in this league yet we have recruited more players than need shots. The results are clear and this will not get better until the coach scraps this idea of his system and implement the sort of offence we were running towards the end of last year. It wasn't perfect but it sure as hell was a heck of a lot better than what we are seeing now. In order to get the production going, players will either have to forego some of their shots or be traded out for role players that fit.

We have been saying that this roster is worse than the one that ended the season last year and were called out as haters. Well the results are pretty clear here, we suck in a way that we even make Cousins - Thornton - Evans look as some of the worst players in the league.

Get this **** sorted once and for all. This off-season has been a nightmare for this franchise because we got worse and in the process blew a substantial room in the salary cap to get to the point where we are!
 
I don't think many people thought we had a great off season. At least, I didn't, even though I didn't think we had a terrible one. I think that we didn't make enough acquisitions/resignings to be a very good team, but that we did do a decent job given the opportunities that were available. I don't think the issue of overpaying for Dalembert can really be argued one way or the other, because there's no way to know whether the benefit would have been worth the cost in the long run. There's only so much that the front office can do to try and attract FAs, and maybe some posters are right that other players just don't want to play for the Kings not only because of the market but also because of the system, coach etc. But you can't judge what we did in the offseason based on those things. I mean, it's ridiculous to say "The reason why our offseason was bad is because we didn't get a better coach several years ago". I'm not saying that you're saying that btw.

SO ... given what we could possibly have done I don't think we did that terribly. But if you're looking at it as having a checklist of pieces you want to acquire at a certain standard, and then failing to do so then sure, the offseason was less than satisfactory.

I think you will find that a lot of us, including rainmaker has made a point that we should not have picked the last year of Westphal's contract and we should have changes coaches in the off-season.

We also said that Westphal is the sort of coach who you should not give many player options because he can't help himself and get out the wacky rotations. The this is, he has stuck with the starting 5 so far, albeit pretty flawed starting 5 but his off the bench rotations and in game substitutions have been just as random and just as wacky as they were in the last 2 years.

And on Dally, for the money he signed with Houston, he is far from overpaid. In fact, once he works himself into the system at Houston, he could very well be a bargain pick up of the off-season.

Towards the end of last season we had what should have been most of the roster in place. I could understand the intent behind the Beno trade, although I could see the change of it blowing up in our face more than it coming off because of the type of player Salmons is. He is a good player but not a good fit for a Cousins - Thornton - Evans trio. Hayes would have been a nice pick up in addition to what we had, and not as a replacement for Dalembert. Hayes has played as many of us expected but he was never going to be the defensive saviour that many wanted us to believe.

It has been a terrible off-season and many of us saw it as it was happening. The worst thing we could have done is blow our cap space without getting better. We didn't blow all of it but we certainly blew a great portion of it. All those years of rebuilding have been pissed into the wind in one off-season. Its by no means the end as this thing can still be turned around and on track BUT there needs to be a clear direction change away from the one we decided to head in and revert back to some 9 or so months ago when we finally started to figure it our.....or at least some of us thought we did.
 
I think you will find that a lot of us, including rainmaker has made a point that we should not have picked the last year of Westphal's contract and we should have changes coaches in the off-season.

We also said that Westphal is the sort of coach who you should not give many player options because he can't help himself and get out the wacky rotations. The this is, he has stuck with the starting 5 so far, albeit pretty flawed starting 5 but his off the bench rotations and in game substitutions have been just as random and just as wacky as they were in the last 2 years.

And on Dally, for the money he signed with Houston, he is far from overpaid. In fact, once he works himself into the system at Houston, he could very well be a bargain pick up of the off-season.

Towards the end of last season we had what should have been most of the roster in place. I could understand the intent behind the Beno trade, although I could see the change of it blowing up in our face more than it coming off because of the type of player Salmons is. He is a good player but not a good fit for a Cousins - Thornton - Evans trio. Hayes would have been a nice pick up in addition to what we had, and not as a replacement for Dalembert. Hayes has played as many of us expected but he was never going to be the defensive saviour that many wanted us to believe.

It has been a terrible off-season and many of us saw it as it was happening. The worst thing we could have done is blow our cap space without getting better. We didn't blow all of it but we certainly blew a great portion of it. All those years of rebuilding have been pissed into the wind in one off-season. Its by no means the end as this thing can still be turned around and on track BUT there needs to be a clear direction change away from the one we decided to head in and revert back to some 9 or so months ago when we finally started to figure it our.....or at least some of us thought we did.

They didn't really "blow" a good portion of their cap space. Basically they resigned Thornton, which was a must. The rest went to signing the rookies, Hayes, and picking up Outlaw. They're still at least 10$ million under the cap and have another 7$ million coming off next year. They're in position to active in the trade and FA market for the next few years.
 
The last thing we need is more prospects. We need guys that have played on winning teams and can help teach the young guys we already have what it takes to be a winner, cause it does not look like they are getting it from the coaching staff.
 
The last thing we need is more prospects. We need guys that have played on winning teams and can help teach the young guys we already have what it takes to be a winner, cause it does not look like they are getting it from the coaching staff.

i agree, vets please
 
at this point im willing to blow up the reke experiment by trading him for evan turner and vucevic... get more prospects...

smh

we got problems. Panicking like that means we'll have probelms for a log long time. That's how the old pre-golden era Kings used to operate. Every even near star level player we ever had we would eventually trade away for maybes and hasbeens if that. Reggie Theus became the 17th pick in th draft. Otis Thorpe becomes Rodeny McCray and Jim Petersen. Eddie Johnson becomes Ed Pinckney. Danny Ainge becomes some 22nd pick dude who never suited up for the Kings and retired. Pervis Ellison becomes Eric Leckner and Bobby Hanson. Antoine Carr becomes Dwayne Schintzius. Excuse me if I'll pass on that kind of thing like, forever. Took us years jsut to recover from the Webber for spare parts trade.
 
From what I've seen, I really want Westphal gone.

As an athlete, I know what it means for a coach to have a theory, a plan for you, that you buy into and believe in, which gets you through the tough practices, rough meets, etc, so that you can invest in something and try to have it pay off at a nation/international meet, etc. When you don't, when you have no faith in the coach or that he's had time to implement his theory and have some results, and hasn't changed his approach, it's going to get you upset.

Now, it's different for competitive swimming, I know, since it's all one-on-one and focus is spent on tailoring plans to individuals, but I have to believe that there's some similarity in basketball. You get less frustrated if there's an outlined plan for each individual to buy into that links everyone into the collectiveness of the team. If you have a belief to buy into, you won't get as frustrated.

All I've seen is the same idea for the past several years.
 
Someone is getting traded. I'm not sure who it will be, but the tam has had continuous mid-season trades. The roster obviously wouldn't work when looked at upon paper and now it's a problem. You can't pull anymore "young team, short season, start of season" excuses now. The locker room has soured, the mood is down, and the problem is real and has been real for years.
 
I don't think you trade a potentially great player when he's not even had a chance to play in a system.

just out of order; the system we play we may as-well be scouting youtube videos, looking for those guys that do 489 between the leg passes and 720 dunks.
 
Being the youngest team in the league,no summer league, and just a week of preseason and here we go? Asking Evans to be traded? I thank God TS is not our GM.
 
Being the youngest team in the league,no summer league, and just a week of preseason and here we go? Asking Evans to be traded? I thank God TS is not our GM.

I think people are frustrated because his game hasn't developed any since his rookie year. But it's sounding more and more like the problem with the team may be coaching and not Tyreke.
 
Am I the only one think Reke play way better than last year? He is passing the ball, he cut his TO down, his jump shoot looks better and he looks to fit in with others on O.

The biggest problem I have with him still is not trying hard enough at the begining of the game on both end of the floor. And other smaller things like PnR def and should have go for dunk instead of wild layup(dam he is 6'6" w/ long arm but I dont' recall a single duck from him this year).

Dam if he was hitting his FT we won't enough have this thread.

I blame the coach, there is no system in place and everyone looks lost out there.

Reke is a keeper.
 
I think you will find that a lot of us, including rainmaker has made a point that we should not have picked the last year of Westphal's contract and we should have changes coaches in the off-season.

We also said that Westphal is the sort of coach who you should not give many player options because he can't help himself and get out the wacky rotations. The this is, he has stuck with the starting 5 so far, albeit pretty flawed starting 5 but his off the bench rotations and in game substitutions have been just as random and just as wacky as they were in the last 2 years.

And on Dally, for the money he signed with Houston, he is far from overpaid. In fact, once he works himself into the system at Houston, he could very well be a bargain pick up of the off-season.

Towards the end of last season we had what should have been most of the roster in place. I could understand the intent behind the Beno trade, although I could see the change of it blowing up in our face more than it coming off because of the type of player Salmons is. He is a good player but not a good fit for a Cousins - Thornton - Evans trio. Hayes would have been a nice pick up in addition to what we had, and not as a replacement for Dalembert. Hayes has played as many of us expected but he was never going to be the defensive saviour that many wanted us to believe.

It has been a terrible off-season and many of us saw it as it was happening. The worst thing we could have done is blow our cap space without getting better. We didn't blow all of it but we certainly blew a great portion of it. All those years of rebuilding have been pissed into the wind in one off-season. Its by no means the end as this thing can still be turned around and on track BUT there needs to be a clear direction change away from the one we decided to head in and revert back to some 9 or so months ago when we finally started to figure it our.....or at least some of us thought we did.

But that's the thing, I'm sure we would and could have picked him up if he accepted a salary around what he signed for in Houston. Just because Houston didn't overpay to get him doesn't mean the Kings would have been able to do the same.
 
When you go through life like this:

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Then you should be served with some of these:

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I remember the Axelson years. Reactive with no plan. We can't screw up the team because we are in a panic. Firing Westphal is not screwing up the team. I suppose all there is now is the dreaded interim manager tag to give to someone but that's about all we can do. We have one sitting on the bench and I don't think that's an accident. He will get paid anyway which with the Maloofs as an owner HAS to be taken into consideration. Next year, after we get the #1 pick, let's spend money on a guy that is more important than the Maloofs think and that's the coach. Cheap coaches can hurt you and we are getting hurt. Anyway, does anyone think that a firing is not appropriate?

When an entire team is playing poorly, there is only one direction to look and that's up the food chain. Perhaps also it is time to look at GP, as much as I like the guy. The Salmons trade was a deal breaker for me. I am no longer a GP supporter. When Tyreke is complaining about the type of game we are playing, he is directing it mostly at Salmons or perhaps I am reading my tea leaves poorly. It was a very odd move.

Ultimately, let's get Burkle or someone or a group of someones who understand that overpaying in a market like Sacramento is the only reliable way to have a great team. We can list all the exceptions to this idea but on the whole, a monied and intelligent ownership is a necessity.

This team doesn't need to be a perpetual collection of cannon fodder for the rest of the league and as the fans have become more sophisticated, the fans will no longer tolerate simply having a team here. I am one of those fans. I originally was thrilled just to have a team and thought it was cool to have Bill Russell as our coach. I have learned a lot in 25 years.

Our fans (and me) now know what a good team looks like and want one. We can have one with the proper owners, the proper decisions from the GM, and a great coach. We already have most of the players or at least the player lineup is fixable. We have a collection of youngsters who will get better. We even have one veteran that can be very helpful. Now we need to spring for the big time FA some day. We need the mind set that chasing Lebron is NOT foolishness but something we can do.
 
I posted this before the season as a response to claims we were a playoff team and it would be on tyreke if we didnt achieve that. Still seems relevant now in the face of all the lets trade our very young and very talented guy now that all these other things arent working.

"So now this is going to be tyreke's fault. Let's see we currently lack:
A coach
Interior d
Veteran leadership
A true point (not necessarily a starter but soemone that excels at getting guys shots)
A high level starter next to cousins
Perimeter d
Basketball iq
An offensive system

Tyreke needs to improve and him doing so could take this team into the playoffs, but right now I think its highly unlikely we make the playoffs and it can not all be tyrekes fault"
 
But that's the thing, I'm sure we would and could have picked him up if he accepted a salary around what he signed for in Houston. Just because Houston didn't overpay to get him doesn't mean the Kings would have been able to do the same.

I dont think dally felt wanted in sac and petrie admitted that they werent pursuing him after they originally signed hayes and only reconnected with him after hayes failed the physical. Now I think dally was overly sensitive about it but I think it was as much about being wantec as anything.
 
And maybe Daly said to himself that he didn't want to play for an incompetent coach. We can all guess. Now it appears he made the correct decision. He had his agent complain to even get minutes last year.
 
Am I the only one think Reke play way better than last year? He is passing the ball, he cut his TO down, his jump shoot looks better and he looks to fit in with others on O.

I don't think that's impossible. You can see the better form on the jumper. You can see him trying to hold back. But there is basically NO chance of him showing what he can be in the current system/with the current lineup.
 
man, i'm away from kingsfans.com for a couple of days and everybody loses their goddamn minds...

i have no idea how tyreke evans is the scapegoat after four games when the entire team is playing terribly, and when evans' shots/game in those four games are down significantly from his average across the last two seasons. beyond that, i'd say that there is a real lack of basketball acumen in this thread, at present. people are throwing around the word "selfish" as if they actually believe that's the problem with this team right now, which is ludicrous, by the way. selfishness at the nba level first requires that a player is self-aware enough to react outside of the flow of a particular offense. however, i see no such trends through four games with the kings. instead, i see mass confusion. one-on-one play is not "selfish" under these circumstances. rather, it is habitual by inexperience. it is unfortunate, of course, but it is neither self-conscious nor self-sabotage. these players simply do not know what they are doing out there, and when we are discussing the state of the youngest team in the nba, you all would do well to recognize the very clear and distinguished line between selfishness and inexperience...

it is likewise ludicrous to expect high assist totals with this team. they're not a team set up to pass in the same fashion as the kings of the early '00's. and you know what? that's okay. believe it or not, kings fans, an offense can succeed without a "pass first point guard." i don't know where this obsession with pass first point guards has come from. the kings haven't had one in... well, ever. they certainly didn't have one in their heyday. the lakers haven't had one since magic, but they've still managed to win championships. its not always necessary. often, its detrimental for a team to place so much of an offense's responsibility on a single player. those players who are up to the challenge are far and few between. that said, isolation plays are healthy for a team built like the kings. they should certainly not be the only weapon in the team's arsenal, but if you have iso talent, you should exploit it. but isolation offense is not the one-on-five-fest that so many of you make it out to be. it is still a team effort. spacing must be considered. cuts must be made. forceful screens must be set. off-the-ball movement is necessary for successful iso plays. there are so many things a coach can do to help talented offensive players succeed, particularly those who are strong at the rim. the kings have two: tyreke evans and marcus thornton. neither is having much success at the rim this season. they have had great success in the past, and as recently as the end of last season. so what's changed? there are some new additions to the kings, but that appears to be less the issue than the new "offense" westphal and co. are attempting to install...

this is very clearly a coaching problem. everybody on the team keeps talking about needing to "run the offense," yet i don't see anything that resembles an "offense" out there on the court, and the players can't seem to describe it if it exists. its an amorphous thing. its "the offense," but what does that even mean? westphal delights in describing it as "read and react," which might be the dumbest installation of such an offense i've ever witnessed. the youngest team in the nba has not been exposed to nba defenses long enough to understand how to adapt to defensive schemes designed to take away easy baskets. its important that they learn how to get around certain kinds of defensive pressure, but more importantly, it is the coach's job to read the defense, and react with play calls that put his players in a position to succeed, offensively. i see no such coaching. i never see westphal with whiteboard in hand. and its not that hard. for example, with a great high post talent like demarcus cousins, and improved outside shooting, you'd think the kings coaching staff could get their team to execute very simple, very fundamental pick and rolls. however, through four games, i have yet to see significant use of the pick and roll in the kings' "offense." really, i have yet to see significant use of any fundamental offensive principles. you don't need to get cute with young teams. you need to get young teams attuned to successful modes of scoring in the nba...

now, i'm well known for my attempts to swat people's hands away from the big, red, shiny panic button, attractive though it may be to so many of you. so, i've said it before and i'll say it again: a shortened "offseason" with no summer league, a two-week "training camp," and a "preseason" of exactly two games against a weak division rival is hardly sufficient when a coaching staff is attempting to establish a new team offense to, once again, the youngest team in the nba, and one that has added five new rotation players. there were always going to be bumps in the road. it was always going to be a difficult grind. this was never going to be the breakout season. i've been thinking of it as the precursor to the breakout season. i've been hopeful that it will be the allotted time for this team to get the wrinkles ironed out. i have to admit that even i was surprised at just how big those wrinkles have shown themselves to be after four games, but i maintain that it is clearly a problem at the intersection of inexperience and bad coaching, which is a lethal combination, for the record. westphal needs to be active as a coach. more to the point, he needs to be a coach. he can't expect this young team to succeed without a tremendous amount of hand-holding. repeat after me: youngest team in the nba. the "read and react" stuff is for veteran squads who know what they're doing. this team doesn't. if westphal can't help them learn, then he's not the coach for this team. perhaps keith smart will have more success.

but i'll give westphal the benefit of the doubt. for now. my patience will wear thin past a certain point, but my point regarding the shortened offseason still stands, and its hardly refutable. so, let's back away from that ledge for twenty more games. and let's not trade away one of the team's most exciting prospects four games into his third season, shall we?
 
It's not time to trade Reke just yet. Fire PW first and then give Keith Smart the rest of this shortened season to see how the players can gel.
 
man, i'm away from kingsfans.com for a couple of days and everybody loses their goddamn minds...

i have no idea how tyreke evans is the scapegoat after four games when the entire team is playing terribly, and when evans' shots/game in those four games are down significantly from his average across the last two seasons. beyond that, i'd say that there is a real lack of basketball acumen in this thread, at present. people are throwing around the word "selfish" as if they actually believe that's the problem with this team right now, which is ludicrous, by the way. selfishness at the nba level first requires that a player is self-aware enough to react outside of the flow of a particular offense. however, i see no such trends through four games with the kings. instead, i see mass confusion. one-on-one play is not "selfish" under these circumstances. rather, it is habitual by inexperience. it is unfortunate, of course, but it is neither self-conscious nor self-sabotage. these players simply do not know what they are doing out there, and when we are discussing the state of the youngest team in the nba, you all would do well to recognize the very clear and distinguished line between selfishness and inexperience...

it is likewise ludicrous to expect high assist totals with this team. they're not a team set up to pass in the same fashion as the kings of the early '00's. and you know what? that's okay. believe it or not, kings fans, an offense can succeed without a "pass first point guard." i don't know where this obsession with pass first point guards has come from. the kings haven't had one in... well, ever. they certainly didn't have one in their heyday. the lakers haven't had one since magic, but they've still managed to win championships. its not always necessary. often, its detrimental for a team to place so much of an offense's responsibility on a single player. those players who are up to the challenge are far and few between. that said, isolation plays are healthy for a team built like the kings. they should certainly not be the only weapon in the team's arsenal, but if you have iso talent, you should exploit it. but isolation offense is not the one-on-five-fest that so many of you make it out to be. it is still a team effort. spacing must be considered. cuts must be made. forceful screens must be set. off-the-ball movement is necessary for successful iso plays. there are so many things a coach can do to help talented offensive players succeed, particularly those who are strong at the rim. the kings have two: tyreke evans and marcus thornton. neither is having much success at the rim this season. they have had great success in the past, and as recently as the end of last season. so what's changed? there are some new additions to the kings, but that appears to be less the issue than the new "offense" westphal and co. are attempting to install...

this is very clearly a coaching problem. everybody on the team keeps talking about needing to "run the offense," yet i don't see anything that resembles an "offense" out there on the court, and the players can't seem to describe it if it exists. its an amorphous thing. its "the offense," but what does that even mean? westphal delights in describing it as "read and react," which might be the dumbest installation of such an offense i've ever witnessed. the youngest team in the nba has not been exposed to nba defenses long enough to understand how to adapt to defensive schemes designed to take away easy baskets. its important that they learn how to get around certain kinds of defensive pressure, but more importantly, it is the coach's job to read the defense, and react with play calls that put his players in a position to succeed, offensively. i see no such coaching. i never see westphal with whiteboard in hand. and its not that hard. for example, with a great high post talent like demarcus cousins, and improved outside shooting, you'd think the kings coaching staff could get their team to execute very simple, very fundamental pick and rolls. however, through four games, i have yet to see significant use of the pick and roll in the kings' "offense." really, i have yet to see significant use of any fundamental offensive principles. you don't need to get cute with young teams. you need to get young teams attuned to successful modes of scoring in the nba...

now, i'm well known for my attempts to swat people's hands away from the big, red, shiny panic button, attractive though it may be to so many of you. so, i've said it before and i'll say it again: a shortened "offseason" with no summer league, a two-week "training camp," and a "preseason" of exactly two games against a weak division rival is hardly sufficient when a coaching staff is attempting to establish a new team offense to, once again, the youngest team in the nba, and one that has added five new rotation players. there were always going to be bumps in the road. it was always going to be a difficult grind. this was never going to be the breakout season. i've been thinking of it as the precursor to the breakout season. i've been hopeful that it will be the allotted time for this team to get the wrinkles ironed out. i have to admit that even i was surprised at just how big those wrinkles have shown themselves to be after four games, but i maintain that it is clearly a problem at the intersection of inexperience and bad coaching, which is a lethal combination, for the record. westphal needs to be active as a coach. more to the point, he needs to be a coach. he can't expect this young team to succeed without a tremendous amount of hand-holding. repeat after me: youngest team in the nba. the "read and react" stuff is for veteran squads who know what they're doing. this team doesn't. if westphal can't help them learn, then he's not the coach for this team. perhaps keith smart will have more success.

but i'll give westphal the benefit of the doubt. for now. my patience will wear thin past a certain point, but my point regarding the shortened offseason still stands, and its hardly refutable. so, let's back away from that ledge for twenty more games. and let's not trade away one of the team's most exciting prospects four games into his third season, shall we?

Oh, and THIS.
 
His shot looked noticably better against the Lakers, not just in that they were going in, but his form was much improved. In the last few games it's reverted back, which is not entirely Tyreke's fault as he's had to take some rushed shots, but you'd hope he goes back to what he learned over the off-season. Straight up instead of leaning back, no kicking of the leg etc..
 
And that is why it is not time to trade Tyreke. He's hugely talented, and when he's playing well he's pretty much unstoppable. People are too impatient, would be madness to give up on him at this early stage.
 
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