kings4lyfe32
Bench
Lmao. Go jump off a bridge......idiot
Lmao. Go jump off a bridge......idiot
TehSwimGuy
Bench
I hate to say I went through and examined some of the other NBA team threads, and Rubio has impressed many (Heat, Laker forums, etc). Many times commentating on his elite-level NBA court vision. Alot of fundamentals down, with a hint of flash.
Christ, what a mistake in not finding a way to get him.
Christ, what a mistake in not finding a way to get him.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Finding a way to get him? Heck, all they had to do was draft him. Cruelly ironic that now he's looking like exactly the kind of PG we need.
I think trading Evans is a good idea and if its going to be done it should be done soon before his value drops even more. This team is not going anywhere with the current cast of people. We need better D and a PG. Jimmer is not ready now (and may never be) to run a team. The only other real tradeable asset this team has is Cousins and I would not trade him for a PG. We need a couple of veteran players (a PG and a PF/C) who are actually winners. Not guys like Salmons who has never made it out of the first round of the playoffs. We have no leadership or veteran savvy on the court or the sidelines.
kings4lyfe32
Bench
Oh without a doubt I wanted Rubio over Evans myself. But in the end we got Reke...not Rubio. Talk of trading Reke is extremely RIDICULOUS. Realize ppl he's only 22!!!! Some of y'all make me sick placing all the blame on Reke and not looking at the big picture.....the team isn't that good! Face the facts why trade one of the few bright pieces we have
TehSwimGuy
Bench
I know seriously. He's not picked up in my fantasy league... I might have to scoop him when the T-Wolves play against Sac.
Age does not matter as much as experience. This is his 3rd year and he has regressed quite a bit and its obvious he is not a PG which is what this team needs more then anything. I like Evans and I wish he would blossom into a star of some kind but I think he is just another of a long list of NBA guys who will put up numbers for themselves but have no idea how to make others or their team as a whole better.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
In light of this new coaching **** storm, I'm retracting my previous statements that they should trade him. if the coaching is really that ineffective, then get a new coach first, then see how Tyreke does.
Evans is the same player he was in his rookie year. He excelled in his rookie year because defenses didnt know how to play him. Last year they were able to play him a lot better than they played him in his rookie year. Now they've figured out his game and he's easy to stop. The problem is that, while the defenses has developed to play him, Evans has not developed at all to improve his game. His freethrows seem to be regressing. His jumpshot is still as hit or miss as it was in his rookie year. His 3 point shot seemed better last year, but now he's airballing them? Where is his development? Its not hard to see why he's struggling.
With that said i still have hope in him.
With that said i still have hope in him.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
This. Coaching has seemed to be the main variable. Then I'd look at trading Evans, if there is no significant difference in his play.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I knew it was only a matter of time. It pisses me off more than any of our losses. Stop with the man crushes on Rubio. It's unbelievably embarrassing, and this is coming from a fan of him. I wish some of you could see how petulant and childish you look.
Evans needs to up his game. There are no more excuses from me. It's early in the season and no one will remember this if he starts to perform, but it's not just on him. Personally, I've been extremely disappointed by Tyreke thus far, and tonight compunded the feeling as he's supposed to be our best player. He's been abysmal so far, but I'm not ready to give up on him. He's a huge talent and deserves the support of the fans. This Rubio stuff is bulls**t. Get over it. It's the same idiots who loved him before the draft rearing their ugly, agenda-ridden heads.
Evans needs to up his game. There are no more excuses from me. It's early in the season and no one will remember this if he starts to perform, but it's not just on him. Personally, I've been extremely disappointed by Tyreke thus far, and tonight compunded the feeling as he's supposed to be our best player. He's been abysmal so far, but I'm not ready to give up on him. He's a huge talent and deserves the support of the fans. This Rubio stuff is bulls**t. Get over it. It's the same idiots who loved him before the draft rearing their ugly, agenda-ridden heads.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Oh shut up. I've only quoted what I've read on NBA forums around the league. Every other team is impressed. Personally I was perfectly happy with Reke, I envisioned him as C-Webb 2.0. But I'm only comparing fundamentals and court vision, of which Rubio has been complimented on around the league.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Yes! Let's trade Reke! Brilliant idea!
Let's let another team with a competent coach develop him and implement a system using his strengths, and reap the benefits. Reke didn't just lose his talent one day over the summer. People act like he left it in the woods on a camping trip in July. The problem is the makeup of our roster, and our coach not having a clue how to implement a system around his players strengths.
But yeah, let's keep Westy, and trade one of our most talented players at age 22.
Let's let another team with a competent coach develop him and implement a system using his strengths, and reap the benefits. Reke didn't just lose his talent one day over the summer. People act like he left it in the woods on a camping trip in July. The problem is the makeup of our roster, and our coach not having a clue how to implement a system around his players strengths.
But yeah, let's keep Westy, and trade one of our most talented players at age 22.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
I think most of us agreed with RookieoftheDay that it is Westphal who should go first. And then see if there's a greater difference in playstyle.
Yeah heaven forbid they like someone who actually seems to want to make others on their team better and does not need to shoot every time they touch the ball. Shame on you guys! How dare you want to make the team better and have them actually play a watchable style of basketball. Take the blinders off homer.
WALTtheWIZ
G-League
Dude, what are you saying?
Tyreke as Cwebb 2.0? If you mean in terms of another franchise player, fine. If you were hoping that tyreke was cwebb reincarnated, then I simply dont know what you are thinking. They are completely different players and people tend to forget how highly touted webber was as a rookie. He had superstar written all over him. Tyrekes fame was more of a marketing scheme, granted, he did have a great rookie year but not comparable to webber at all in my opinion.
And what is this you post about webber in the "twilight" of his career needed 45 shots to score 30? When we traded webber, he was still a GREAT player. Id rather not rehash his statistics but shooting 45% as a high post player while adding 10 rebounds and 6 assists is very far from awful...his time here was running out but he was still a very effective player.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Dude, what are you saying?
Tyreke as Cwebb 2.0? If you mean in terms of another franchise player, fine. If you were hoping that tyreke was cwebb reincarnated, then I simply dont know what you are thinking. They are completely different players and people tend to forget how highly touted webber was as a rookie. He had superstar written all over him. Tyrekes fame was more of a marketing scheme, granted, he did have a great rookie year but not comparable to webber at all in my opinion.
And what is this you post about webber in the "twilight" of his career needed 45 shots to score 30? When we traded webber, he was still a GREAT player. Id rather not rehash his statistics but shooting 45% as a high post player while adding 10 rebounds and 6 assists is very far from awful...his time here was running out but he was still a very effective player.
Yes, franchise player. That's what he seemed to be marketed as, at least.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Dude, what are you saying?
Tyreke as Cwebb 2.0? If you mean in terms of another franchise player, fine. If you were hoping that tyreke was cwebb reincarnated, then I simply dont know what you are thinking. They are completely different players and people tend to forget how highly touted webber was as a rookie. He had superstar written all over him. Tyrekes fame was more of a marketing scheme, granted, he did have a great rookie year but not comparable to webber at all in my opinion.
And what is this you post about webber in the "twilight" of his career needed 45 shots to score 30? When we traded webber, he was still a GREAT player. Id rather not rehash his statistics but shooting 45% as a high post player while adding 10 rebounds and 6 assists is very far from awful...his time here was running out but he was still a very effective player.
A little exaggerated, but even with the great averages, which I most certainly won't argue, Webb would have games where he just kept going if he was ice cold. It was to make a point, although maybe poorly, to a poster who said that Evans, if given enough shots, could score 30 a game.
Scoring 30 a game doesn't matter if you can't be efficient doing so.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
What the f*** are you talking about? Where did I reference anything you said? If you knew anything about me you'd know I've watched Rubio since he was 15 years old, all you have to do is venture into the NBA forum. No where did I criticise him. What I do have a problem with is idiots who knew nothing about him pre-NBA and wanted him ahead of Tyreke, even after the latter's historic rookie season. And I'm not saying you're one of them. But there were plenty of them around a few years ago. People have idiotic agendas and appear to have abandoned all logic. The Rubio/Tyreke debate was prevalent a few years ago and I thought/hoped we'd got by it, so excuse me for being a little pissed off that people are pointlessly bringing it up again.
Again, what nonsense are you talking about? What does Rubio have to do with Evans or the Kings? This is the Kings forum in case you haven't noticed. If you want to dream up ridiculous scenarios in which we can trade Tyreke for Ricky, then move along to the personnel forum. Your disregard of all logic and blatant lies is also telling of your knowledge. Tyreke is trying his best to fit into a s**t system and failing. He is not blameless, and I'm disappointed in his play, but it is not all his fault. Westphal is at fault more than anyone else. If you want to tell me how I'm a homer, go ahead. Otherwise don't bother replying to me. I've no time for people who post nonsense and can't back it up.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Ah, apologies, sir. I assumed you were classifying me into one of those people. I was just pointing that he seems to have the elite court vision that I wish more of our players could utilize, and maybe wishful thinking that he could have been having that breakout season in Sac that he might end up having on the wolves :/
WALTtheWIZ
G-League
We would end up on the wrong end of any reasonable trade b/c whoever we get would not be utilized to his strengths. I never liked westphal and never will.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
That is fair enough, and sorry if I came across as harsh. This debate is just really getting under my skin. It's so pointless! It drove me mad the last time, and it will continue to do so until people just drop it. I won't talk about Rubio here because it's not relevant and this isn't the place, there is already a thread for him which people are contributing to in the NBA forum.
As for Tyreke, it's obviously not time to trade him. We need a competent coach before anything can be properly evaluated. Westphal is an idiot. It's mind boggling that he's failing so miserably to convert our talent into a respectable unit. Knicks weren't even taking the game seriously tonight. I'm tired of teams coming into Arco [sic] expecting an easy win and breather, and actually getting it.
What cant I back up? Please tell me what lie I said. My original point was it might not be a bad idea to think about trading Evans as the way this team is constructed it will not win. We need a PG and Evans is an asset we can use to get one and Rubio is a PG. I have no delusions of some grand trade to Minnesota for Rubio, he is just one of the guys we could have had and didnt but thats how it goes. I am not blaming Evans for our teams bad play but I do think he has regressed and I dont think he will ever be more then what he is. A guy who can fill up a box score but really has no idea how to win. I hope I am wrong. I do agree with one thing and that is I would rather see Westphaul go before we make any moves. Would be nice to see what a real head coach can do. Have not had one since Adelman.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Your right, and, Bricky is right. As a matter of fact, there are so many things wrong, that its hard to criticize and be wrong. This team is a mess. I've been watching a lot of basketball of late. NBA and college, and I'll tell you, Kentucky played better today than the Kings did tonight. There were moments here and there, but damm few. I see Cousins getting the ball in the high post or the low post and looking for cutters. I'm sure he must have found a few, but the only one I can remember is his pass to Thompson.
I see Fredette driving into the lane, which is where a PG is susposed to go to break down defenses and draw a crowd. He's looking for an open man near the basket, but there isn't one. My point is, that there are players on the team trying to run some semblence of an offense, but unfortunately, too many times, the rest of the players on the floor aren't participating. You could see the frustration on Cousins face when he looked up at the rafters and just shook his head. You can't win a game alone, but if your doing as a team, then all the players on the floor have to participate, or it breaks down.
There is no discipline on this team, and its going to blow up at some point because there are players on this team that want to win. Its just a matter of time.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Yeah. Agreed. To add, I'm also tired of people like Grant and them expecting people to be so hellbent on the arena, etc, and stoked about it, when we actually have sellout crowds at Arco and we get blown out by teams who expect that easy win and breather. I mean, in such a bad economy, etc, people just can't keep forking out money. And they're much less likely to do so if the team is getting destroyed on their home court. That's just the nature of the beast.
Your right, and, Bricky is right. As a matter of fact, there are so many things wrong, that its hard to criticize and be wrong. This team is a mess. I've been watching a lot of basketball of late. NBA and college, and I'll tell you, Kentucky played better today than the Kings did tonight. There were moments here and there, but damm few. I see Cousins getting the ball in the high post or the low post and looking for cutters. I'm sure he must have found a few, but the only one I can remember is his pass to Thompson.
Great post.
Great post.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Sarcasm works very poorly with the written word and I got lost. If you think Rubio has proven to be an NBA star after 3 or 4 days, I think you are going way overboard. Give it a few more months, wait until defenses are better prepared for him. I have no doubt that he would be a better classical PG than Tyreke but people are going over the top. We were all wetting our pants over Tyreke after his rookie year. We thought JWill was the second coming. In the end things changed.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
This is like the quote from the Jerry Maguire movie of "You had me at hello."
People trying to hone in on one or two items are missing the bigger picture that darn near everything seems to be a mess. Heck, we haven't even mentioned past starter JJ Hickson's lack of contribution. How many games did he start last year yet can't evn contribute off the bench? Was it a bad trade or what? I think there is a systemic problem and if it is only PW, we are lucky but the moves made beginning on last draft day have left me scratching my head more than once.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
The funny thing, is all but about 5 of us, thought we had a great off season. Almost everyone was happy with how our off season went, except you and I, and a few others. The writing was all over the wall heading into opening night, yet now we have people trying to simplify a very large problem with this organization, and blame it on a couple players,or simply blame it on Reke.
Funny.
