The team probably should have done this at the beginning of every season...

[Geoff]

...call in every variety of faith-healers, exorcists, witch-doctors, positive vibration and feng shui people and whatnot, and give some kind of ceremony of blessing/good luck/curse-b-gone spell to the team and the building. This stuff with Peja pulling his groin goes beyond funny, I am now 90% convinced that someone or something put one hell of a mojo on this team. They've never been healthy as long as i've been a fan! (and before then too, lest someone say it's my fault )

 

[VF21]

You know, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Maloofs have already considered something like this. Human psyches can be very sensitive things. With everything that's happened, they might actually want to turn it around with some kind of positive force thing...

I did post a spell for curse removal. It's in the Peja question-mark thread: http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=125225&postcount=23

 

[Bricklayer]

People forget something -- we have always had some of the most brittle injury-prone guys in the league here. The one ironman we had -- Vlade -- was just as iron for us as he'd always been, Doug was another ironman until he got old etc. Its really the players -- Brad always breaks down. Something we need to be aware of when making decisions about him. Bobby is too reckless for his body. Webb was the man of glass. Peja has always been prone to going down with various little owies.


Which is of course why we need to get KG thsi offseason -- no more injury woes.

 

[kennadog]

Which is of course why we need to get KG thsi offseason -- no more injury woes.

..until he becomes a King.... Seriously, this year, Tag falls down in his house and breaks his hand; Brad does a routine lay-up in "light" practice and breaks a leg; Peja goes up for an unguarded 3-pointer and strains a groin. What the F!?!

I didn't catch the name of who they were interviewing the other day (KHTK), but he said the reason "they-Pacers" traded Brad was because he breaks down every Spring. Boy he's so good in the offense, tho.

 

[Packt]

But they didn't trade Miller. He was a Free Agent and they didn't want to pay him, or couldn't. They were trying to keep the other Miller and stay under the cap.

Denver and Utah were rumored to be the main suitors for Miller and if those deals had gone through, the Pacers would've been left empty handed. B. Miller was leaving no matter what. The Kings deal was a freebie for the Pacers. They got a replacement 5 back, expiring contracts, one of which they were able to waive right away.

Unfortunately Pollard got hurt, and the other player they retained didn’t help them much. Knowing what they know, now, they probably would've let Miller walk for nothing.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Weren't the 27 games that Mike missed with the broken foot the FIRST games he missed due to "owie" going back through high school?

I might be wrong, but I recall reading that somewhere.

I'm willing to believe that there is a perfectly good explanation for all of the....incidents that the team has faced. But, damn, that's a lot of coincidence.

 

[Bricklayer]

Weren't the 27 games that Mike missed with the broken foot the FIRST games he missed due to "owie" going back through high school?

I might be wrong, but I recall reading that somewhere.

I'm willing to believe that there is a perfectly good explanation for all of the....incidents that the team has faced. But, damn, that's a lot of coincidence.

Sure, but they were also the only ones he has missed since that time either (major ones). Every player is going to get hurt here or there (except the true ironmen). Our chronic and repeated injuries are what is unique, but then again so has been our collection of chronically injured characters. And next up on that list? Brian Skinner. Like what he brings. But you know what? He has averaged a whopping total of 48 games a year over his career. And while some of that in his early days may have been DNP-CDs, even after establishing himself he has played in 70+ only 1 time. So if he gets hurts next year and misses 20 games, are we cursed? Or did we maybe just fail to consider durability when evaluating whether to pick up a player or not?

We've had bad luck, particularly in the timing (I sincerely believe we would have won at least one title during our peak years if healthy), but its not as if we were throwing out Stockton, Malone, Green, Kareem and MJ and having them fall apart. The personnel decisions we have made over the years have bitten us in the butt as least as much as an wrinkled Indian chanting over a pipe of wacky weed.

 

[Geoff]

Sure, but they were also the only ones he has missed since that time either (major ones). Every player is going to get hurt here or there (except the true ironmen). Our chronic and repeated injuries are what is unique, but then again so has been our collection of chronically injured characters. And next up on that list? Brian Skinner. Like what he brings. But you know what? He has averaged a whopping total of 48 games a year over his career. And while some of that in his early days may have been DNP-CDs, even after establishing himself he has played in 70+ only 1 time. So if he gets hurts next year and misses 20 games, are we cursed? Or did we maybe just fail to consider durability when evaluating whether to pick up a player or not?

We've had bad luck, particularly in the timing (I sincerely believe we would have won at least one title during our peak years if healthy), but its not as if we were throwing out Stockton, Malone, Green, Kareem and MJ and having them fall apart. The personnel decisions we have made over the years have bitten us in the butt as least as much as an wrinkled Indian chanting over a pipe of wacky weed.

I must be missing something here. How could you go from believing the Kings would have won a title if completely healthy (which I agree with to a degree; the 2002 team has to take some of the rap for not making the final step) to saying that personnel decisions have been a factor in hurting the team?

 

[Bricklayer]

I must be missing something here. How could you go from believing the Kings would have won a title if completely healthy (which I agree with to a degree; the 2002 team has to take some of the rap for not making the final step) to saying that personnel decisions have been a factor in hurting the team?

?

Er...wasn't trying to be confusing?:

a) we've picked up a lot of injury prone players over the years and have paid for it,
b) but if they do NOT get injured, and particularly at the time they got injured (having Webb go down against Dallas remains in my mind the turning point for the whole franchise), we probably win a title.

No inconsistency. Things just didn't work out. Its really the timing of the injuries to our two best players in our two best years that was so nasty. That WAS bad luck.

 

[loopymitch]

I don't believe it's coincidence or the owie prone players, although the latter does play a l part. If they were hurt in nasty fouls or athletic confrontations that would be one thing but that is not the case. Athletes are supposed to be conditioned to avoid owies. Of course things do happen espec. late in the season when the body's starting to break down from brutal schedules but as much as it does to us. I don't think so. Way too many owies, too frequently. It has to be some kind of curse, sorry KI. They could have the best athletes in the world and they would come to Sac and get hurt. It's just my opinion but all kidding aside I think a lot of fans are really starting to believe that.

 

[GoGoGadget]

We've had bad luck, particularly in the timing (I sincerely believe we would have won at least one title during our peak years if healthy), but its not as if we were throwing out Stockton, Malone, Green, Kareem and MJ and having them fall apart. The personnel decisions we have made over the years have bitten us in the butt as least as much as an wrinkled Indian chanting over a pipe of wacky weed.

Valid point, as usual.

But, which of these scenarios is more fun to talk about?

 

[bozzwell]

People forget something -- we have always had some of the most brittle injury-prone guys in the league here. The one ironman we had -- Vlade -- was just as iron for us as he'd always been, Doug was another ironman until he got old etc. Its really the players -- Brad always breaks down. Something we need to be aware of when making decisions about him. Bobby is too reckless for his body. Webb was the man of glass. Peja has always been prone to going down with various little owies.


Which is of course why we need to get KG thsi offseason -- no more injury woes.

This is something I did not want to think about, but I must agree with you. This is not a knock or slam on any of our guys, but yes most of them had history of injuries before they joined Kings (Brad and Pedja in particular). Our curse is that (re)injuries almost always occur at the worst possible time.

Having said that - if I was Petrie I would not regret a single deal so far, no matter the injuries.

I still don't like KG.

 

[teamdimechampionship]

NEW STRENGTH AND CONDITION COACH!Injuries like Peja's and maybe Brad's can be prevented with proper warm-up and stretching. Bobby is reckless thus very injury prone. Seems like our off-season training only prepares the guys' bodies for about 75 games. After that guys go down left and right. Plus guys like Mike and Peja seem to pace themselves way too much. Get in better shape and give 110% ALL THE TIME!

 

[VF21]

NEW STRENGTH AND CONDITION COACH!Injuries like Peja's and maybe Brad's can be prevented with proper warm-up and stretching. Bobby is reckless thus very injury prone. Seems like our off-season training only prepares the guys' bodies for about 75 games. After that guys go down left and right. Plus guys like Mike and Peja seem to pace themselves way too much. Get in better shape and give 110% ALL THE TIME!

This comment never ceases to amaze me.

Do you think our training staff is inferior to other teams? It's been bandied about off and on for a long time, but do you HONESTLY think the Maloofs would be trusting their million $$$$ investments to guys with duct tape and super glue? Guys who think conditioning is something you do to your hair?

Word going around is that Peja may well have tweaked his groin during the Charitabowl, which could have happened very easily. Even well-conditioned athletes can strain a muscle if it's being used in a manner they don't normally use.

And I challenge you to explain how off-season training can prepare someone for 75 games, but not 82...

 

[quick dog]

Maybe it has something to do with the apparent fact that Geoff Petrie prefers tricky and skilled offensive players? He hires quarterbacks, not middle linebackers. Don't know.

It may simply be luck, or lack thereof. In life, you got your basic winners, you got your losers. Under the bell curve of fame and fortune, stuff happens. Maybe it is just misfortune, similar to what happened to Karl Malone and John Stockton in their long quest for NBA rings.

I'd rather be lucky than good.

Anyway, Amare Stoudemire is probably just an android. I suspect that his real name is Erama Erimeduots, and he is from the planet Zoltar.

 

[teamdimechampionship]

This comment never ceases to amaze me.

Do you think our training staff is inferior to other teams? It's been bandied about off and on for a long time, but do you HONESTLY think the Maloofs would be trusting their million $$$$ investments to guys with duct tape and super glue? Guys who think conditioning is something you do to your hair?

Word going around is that Peja may well have tweaked his groin during the Charitabowl, which could have happened very easily. Even well-conditioned athletes can strain a muscle if it's being used in a manner they don't normally use.

And I challenge you to explain how off-season training can prepare someone for 75 games, but not 82...

I accept your challenge Our off-season prepares us to win a championship. That is the purpose of off-season workouts. If we didn't even lose one playoff game we would have to play 96 games to go all the way. The NBA Champion usually plays at least 100 games. And you also have to be playing your best basketball at the end of the year.

Moving on.....I really hope Peja didn't get hurt bowling. I highly doubt it. If he did it is a disgrace that he was on the court vs. LA in the first place.

Lastly, I think our training staff is probably comparable to the rest of the leauge....but there is always room for improvement.

 

[VF21]

I accept your challenge Our off-season prepares us to win a championship. That is the purpose of off-season workouts. If we didn't even lose one playoff game we would have to play 96 games to go all the way. The NBA Champion usually plays at least 100 games. And you also have to be playing your best basketball at the end of the year.

While those are interesting comments they have no relevance to the point at hand. You said:

Seems like our off-season training only prepares the guys' bodies for about 75 games.

HOW do you do that???

Moving on.....I really hope Peja didn't get hurt bowling. I highly doubt it. If he did it is a disgrace that he was on the court vs. LA in the first place.

Have you ever bowled? You can step the wrong way and feel a slight twinge, and then nothing more - at least not right then. The next time, long after the fact, you step a certain way and move the combined muscles just right (or wrong), you may feel the twinge again. At some point, it may or may not become more than a twinge - which might have been what happened with Peja.

Lastly, I think our training staff is probably comparable to the rest of the leauge....but there is always room for improvement.

Please elucidate. How do you improve a training staff? What do you look for in a good trainer? Do you know? We have a fully competent training staff, which is what a team needs. To say there's always room for improvement, when you're talking about trainers, is a lot like saying there's always room for improvement with your family doctor. It sounds good but it doesn't mean anything. If your family doctor, for example, is fully competent and handles your family's medical problems in the manner you expect from them, how would you improve?

 

[iheartBrad]

its not the training staff folks...its FINLEY...some people just don't want to except this as the real reason when it clearly is the one and only reason

 

[teamdimechampionship]

You can always learn about new techniques, new exercises, new tecnology!

Work out harder and more often in the off-season! Less partying!

I'm just saying I would hope that if Peja felt a twinge bowling and was in discomfort.....the coaches never should have let him on the court this close to the playoffs....especially against LA when we played PHX the next night.

 

[VF21]

You can always learn about new techniques, new exercises, new tecnology!

Work out harder and more often in the off-season! Less partying!

I'm just saying I would hope that if Peja felt a twinge bowling and was in discomfort.....the coaches never should have let him on the court this close to the playoffs....especially against LA when we played PHX the next night.

As far as learning about new techniques, new exercises, new technology - EVERY training staff is on top of that stuff. Why wouldn't they be? It's part and parcel of doing their job.

About Peja? The point is I don't think Peja necessarily even mentioned it - AND, of course, it might only be a rumor.

Bottom line is - as mentioned above - it's FINLEY's fault! He is mean and despicable and needs to be stopped!!!

GO KINGS!!

 

[AriesMar27]

the kings need kanye's workout plan....

that could get them a baller, a rapper, or at least a dude with a car....

 

[teamdimechampionship]

Hey, at least we are gonna be getting everybody back soon supposedly. As we all know it could be worse.

 

[kennadog]

An elite athelete puts the body under extreme stress. Some will hold up better than others. Conditioning helps tremendously, but so do good genes. Some people are born with bodies where the alignment and interaction of tendons, muscles, ligaments and bones is just superior in terms of withstanding that stress.

For instance, be slightly bow-legged or slightly pigeon-toed and running will likely take more of a toll on your joints, etc., than someone with well-aligned structure.

Amare at only 20 looks like an android now, but how do you know he won't be a Webber at age 29 or 30? You don't. Who would have guessed that Reggie Miller could play so effectively for so long in that spindly little body? Christie is a fanatic about conditioning and diet and it didn't keep him from the problems he's having (altho I do consider him and iron man over his career).

And what in the world could explain Vlade, LOL! He's incredible for his durability, especially since he's played pro BB since he was 16 (same with Pedja). By the way, Pedja corrected the misperception that he didn't work out last summer. He did not play or practice with a team persay, but he said he most certainly did workout.

Yes, maybe a team should pay more attention to history. Of course, if they did, we'd still have Doug and Chris on the Kings.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

Hey, I bet it's all Phil Jackson, disrupting our zen.