The Queta-Noel Era is Over

#31
Yeah. On paper the depth chart probably looks like this:

C Sabonis/McGee/Len
PF Murray/Lyles/Vezenkov
SF Barnes/Edwards/Duarte
SG Huerter/Monk/Jones
PG Fox/Mitchell/Ford(?)

But in reality if Vezenkov's game translates I think he, Lyles and Monk will be the main players off the bench with Mitchell rounding out the 9 man rotation and Duarte playing the TD role from last season. McGee and Len will likely get spot duty based on matchups.
I'll be curious if Duarte moves up. I guess it depends on recapturing some of the magic he had with Sabonis in Indy. If that happens, I can see him taking Edwards and Jones minutes and Edwards/Jones relegated to the TD role.
 

funkykingston

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#32
I'll be curious if Duarte moves up. I guess it depends on recapturing some of the magic he had with Sabonis in Indy. If that happens, I can see him taking Edwards and Jones minutes and Edwards/Jones relegated to the TD role.
It definitely could happen. He doesn't have TD's athleticism but Duarte (if he returns to his rookie year form) is more consistent on both ends.

But if that happens it means either Duarte is very good or that Kessler Edwards didn't significantly improve his game.

Edwards is the only real wing defender on the roster so I'm definitely hoping he improves and carves out a bench role.
 

Kingster

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#33
The move makes sense. Queta may have the height to play center, but not the mobility, especially in today's NBA. If part of the thinking was for Ford to get a roster spot then I'm on board with that. Ford does seem to have the talent to be a solid backup point guard in the NBA and going against Mitchell and Fox in practice should sharpen his game up for any time he may get in the regular season.
 
#36
I have no expectations for Duarte or Ford. I'll root for them to pleasantly surprise us though! The Duarte interviews kind of reminded me of a student in high school who kept talking about what great friends they were with the popular kid, who kindly said "Oh yeah, sure" when asked. As for Ford, I was high on him until I saw how he did when the level of competition ticked up. He's extremely intelligent, so I'm hopeful that he will find ways to adjust to NBA-caliber opponents.
 
#37
I would have preferred if the Kings could have kept Queta in the G-League for another year to see if he could develop. Sad to see him go before he ever got a shot with the big league team.

Noel would have had a better chance of making the team had he decided to sign with the Kings last year, after he was waived. Having no history with Coach Brown did him in, because we know Coach likes to play players he knows and trust. And JaVale McGee has earned Coach Brown trust from their time together at Golden State.
 

hrdboild

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#45
People are about to pull up on McNair for shuffling around some barely end-of-benchers.
I didn't hate every move Vlade made and I don't love every move Monte makes. I'm just trying to be fair by judging the moves not the person making them. From where I sit both Alex Len and JaVale McGee are wasted roster spots and better options were and still are available. It's not like this will cause the team to regress or anything but at some point in the season the backup C spot will significantly impact at least one game and when that happens I wish I were more confident in the guys hired to fill that role. That's all.
 

funkykingston

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#49
Hmm. He signed a 2-way with Boston?

Wonder if we offered that to him.
Maybe. But Boston is likely a better situation for him. The Kings have Sabonis firmly as the starter, Len and McGee battling for backup big man minutes, and the likely possibility of Lyles playing significant minutes as a smallball 5.

Boston has a 37 year old Al Horford, an injury prone Bob Williams and then really only Porzingis as their other option at center.
 
#50
Maybe. But Boston is likely a better situation for him. The Kings have Sabonis firmly as the starter, Len and McGee battling for backup big man minutes, and the likely possibility of Lyles playing significant minutes as a smallball 5.

Boston has a 37 year old Al Horford, an injury prone Bob Williams and then really only Porzingis as their other option at center.
Queta goes from a brick wall in the way to a big fence haha, but yeah, better for sure.
 
#51
Maybe. But Boston is likely a better situation for him. The Kings have Sabonis firmly as the starter, Len and McGee battling for backup big man minutes, and the likely possibility of Lyles playing significant minutes as a smallball 5.

Boston has a 37 year old Al Horford, an injury prone Bob Williams and then really only Porzingis as their other option at center.
All true.

Was just wondering since if we made him an offer and he declined, he took a risk. Possible his agent was confident that a similar or better deal would be available elsewhere. In any case, doesn't matter now, and all this is conjecture anyways.

Best wishes Neemias. That said, hope you don't end up being a TDM candidate for years to come. Have good games against other teams (particularly Lakers :) )
 

funkykingston

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#52
All true.

Was just wondering since if we made him an offer and he declined, he took a risk. Possible his agent was confident that a similar or better deal would be available elsewhere. In any case, doesn't matter now, and all this is conjecture anyways.

Best wishes Neemias. That said, hope you don't end up being a TDM candidate for years to come. Have good games against other teams (particularly Lakers :) )
My guess is that the Kings didn't offer him a 2-way. My only rationale for that is that with 3 centers on the main roster plus the good chance that Lyles plays a fair amount of smallball 5 but only 2 PGs on the roster they'd rather have Jordan Ford on that 2-way deal as insurance. Monk could definitely flex to PG (especially with the starters where Sabonis does a lot of the playmaking), but if Fox and/or Mitchell miss any significant stretch of games I think you want a steady backup PG.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#54
My guess is that the Kings didn't offer him a 2-way. My only rationale for that is that with 3 centers on the main roster plus the good chance that Lyles plays a fair amount of smallball 5 but only 2 PGs on the roster they'd rather have Jordan Ford on that 2-way deal as insurance. Monk could definitely flex to PG (especially with the starters where Sabonis does a lot of the playmaking), but if Fox and/or Mitchell miss any significant stretch of games I think you want a steady backup PG.
My only question is how with camp still a few weeks away when they made the decision - I think we're a week out but not sure what the official date Kings get for "international" opener since it's Vancouver - how were they so certain that the backup center contest was over before it began to walk away from Queta and Noel completely. Do they already have McGee ahead on Len? Maybe the agents asked out, but maybe they just knew neither guy had a shot now. No sense keeping Queta on a two way if he'll never get the call up. I tend to agree with the assessment that we have 3 full size NBA centers plus Lyles who will likely see good time as the small ball option and a shortage of true PGs.

There was one game last year where Fox was out and Mitchell was on the bench for one reason or another and getting the ball across half court with Monk and Huerter was more painful than I would have ever imagined.
 

funkykingston

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#55
My only question is how with camp still a few weeks away when they made the decision - I think we're a week out but not sure what the official date Kings get for "international" opener since it's Vancouver - how were they so certain that the backup center contest was over before it began to walk away from Queta and Noel completely. Do they already have McGee ahead on Len? Maybe the agents asked out, but maybe they just knew neither guy had a shot now. No sense keeping Queta on a two way if he'll never get the call up. I tend to agree with the assessment that we have 3 full size NBA centers plus Lyles who will likely see good time as the small ball option and a shortage of true PGs.

There was one game last year where Fox was out and Mitchell was on the bench for one reason or another and getting the ball across half court with Monk and Huerter was more painful than I would have ever imagined.
Again, no idea for sure but my guess is that Len's late season/post-season play and Brown's history with McGee sealed Queta's fate.

It's disappointing, especially because we all want to see the Kings develop 2nd round picks, but expectations are higher now and if the Kings are to continue to make the playoffs/contend there just aren't roster spots for developmental guys.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#56
Again, no idea for sure but my guess is that Len's late season/post-season play and Brown's history with McGee sealed Queta's fate.
Agree here my only thought is they must have McGee slightly higher than Len to not need to see the others in camp. I guess its also possible that McGee gets that bench coach role that Delly seemed to have last year but he did turn down at least the Warriors that we know about to come to Sac.

I had high hopes for Queta but I'm not even sure if he would beat out Noel for this coming year, which to me is the biggest part of this surprise that we don't even view it as a tryout.
 

Tetsujin

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#60

Comanche staying in the org this season with what I'm guessing is an Exhibit 10. That addresses emergency big depth if god forbid Domas, Len, and McGee all end up hurt at the same time, even if he's more in the Richaun mold than a traditional BIG big man.

Comanche/Skal/Slawson/Keon/Ford is a fun G-League starting lineup for Stockton give or take any Colby minutes