Jechtsphere
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If we make no trades which wouldn't surprise me...wake me up in 2010.
The official "Wow, we really suck" thread
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Will this season be the Kings worst ever?!?!?
Will we ever beat an Eastern Conference team this season?!?!?
Is Thompson our only bright star for our future besides the draft and 2010?!?!?
Should we be dead last in the standings, below WAS and LAC?!?!?
Quite frankly I'm sick and tired of our beloved Kings getting owned by 40+ points. Ok, we can put a bit of blame that it was our third game in four nights and maybe because Brad and BJax didn't play but there is no excuse for us to lose by this much. I just can't stand looking at our game scores now. The box score is just too embarassing to even look at, 35 rebounds to 59 and 26 TOs just to name a few!
But I will still wear my Thompson jersey when I get it! We will get through these rough times!
Will we ever beat an Eastern Conference team this season?!?!?
Is Thompson our only bright star for our future besides the draft and 2010?!?!?
Should we be dead last in the standings, below WAS and LAC?!?!?
Quite frankly I'm sick and tired of our beloved Kings getting owned by 40+ points. Ok, we can put a bit of blame that it was our third game in four nights and maybe because Brad and BJax didn't play but there is no excuse for us to lose by this much. I just can't stand looking at our game scores now. The box score is just too embarassing to even look at, 35 rebounds to 59 and 26 TOs just to name a few!
But I will still wear my Thompson jersey when I get it! We will get through these rough times!
tradepeja
Starter
The worst part about all of this is that K-Mart is already 26 and not the star we one day, not too long ago, thought he might become and Hawes is turning out to be one of the most unconfident players ever. At least JT has turned things around....and maybe we'll get Griffin to ease all of our woes.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
The funny thing is we are playing this bad and we still don't have the worst record title on lockdown! There are some bad teams this year. 
I don't. There's no rebuild with Ron. There's no youth development with Ron.
CaminoChaos
Bench
Just about everyone on this board has said they want to tank the season and get a good draft pick. Well here you go. Why is everyone crying.
Rockmeister
All-Star
If they played with heart, put 100% effort and played the rookies, I wouldn't mind the losing, but the way they are losing there is just no words to describe it. If I had known they would be playing like this, I woulnd't have bought any Kings tickets.
HighTopKicks
Bench
The point is that anyone that knows basketball should expect a young rebuilding team that hasn't learned to play together will have their ups and downs. And, occationally have their lunch handed to them. So, I was surprised that VF would start a thread titled " The Official "Wow, we really suck " thread.
I just expected something more positive. Maybe something like "our young rookie front court learned from the best tonight" thread
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
that 48 point thumping by the suns felt good. it was like getting the cheeks numbed at the dentist. I couldn't help but laugh after the first quarter. my buddies were had bets on how much we would lose by. I said 60. kings nation... let's be optimistic here and shoot for the worst loss of the season. I wanna see a 80 point loss. we have like 20 something games left to make it happen! go kings!!!!!!!!!!
Rockmeister
All-Star
Are you on drugs?
=LarryLegend=
Starter
I am so tired of Sactown fair weather fans man. everywhere i go people are hating on the Kings. everyone wanted to rebuild. we are starting to do that now people want to rebuild while in the playoffs. it doesnt make since, rebuilding = lots of losses. its not easy on the eyes/heart. once they are back to the glory days all the haters will return. so wack.
Rookie
Starter
Not sure why anyone would be surprised.
We all know the Kings don't have much D if any at all.
We know our O is inconsistent from bad to decent and rarely good.
Against offensive juggernaut team.
Result is this thread.
But look on the bright side.
Hawes
Thompsons
Martin
Top 5 Draft Pick
More $$ to play with when old tired vets are gone
2010 deadline (we still got time to get ready for it)
We all know the Kings don't have much D if any at all.
We know our O is inconsistent from bad to decent and rarely good.
Against offensive juggernaut team.
Result is this thread.
But look on the bright side.
Hawes
Thompsons
Martin
Top 5 Draft Pick
More $$ to play with when old tired vets are gone
2010 deadline (we still got time to get ready for it)
asakkings
Bench
It wasnt that long ago that Kings fans were considered best in the NBA, how fast things change.
kingsnation
All-Star
I still believe that we have the best. The ones that are "true" fans are the best. However, it's the rest that only watch and support when we are winning that make us look bad.
The fans who go out on super bowl sunday to watch us play a 11 win team in front of a handful of people - true fans.
The fans who watch to support the Kings, not the ones who watch so they can think up their next great insult to post on a message board.
hardware_failure
G-League
Maybe the team could go chapter 11, and start over as an expansion team?
Honestly couldnt be any worse at this point.
Honestly couldnt be any worse at this point.
gunks
Hall of Famer
I think fans have a right to vent. I'm hating on the Kings all the time. But I'm still checking every boxscore to see how Thompson and Hawes did. I'm still following the college stars to see who we may end up with. Kings are still going to be 'my team'.
Its just that since that awful Webber trade it has been fiasco after fiasco from our FO. Webb could have gotten us a young up and comer. He was still a 20/10/5 big, and I believe was a player of the month at the time he was traded. Those 3 'movable pieces' set us back. And then their was Petrie clinging to his dream that a Peja/Miller/Bibby core could be relevant.
Even as Peja faded and Miller and Bibby dogged it on the court. Honestly, even though it turned out bad, the Peja for Artest trade was one of the only smart moves our FO has made recently. And that wasnt even Petrie! That was forced by the Maloofs! The latter half of that season, where we went from a lotto team to a team nobody wanted to face in the first round was the most magic since the golden years. And that was all Ron Ron fueled, as much as nobody wants to admit it.
Then we didnt resign Rick. Granted at the time it seemed like he had lost his players (mostly the vets)...But at that point we should have moved Bibby/Miller. Not the coach.
Petrie just sits on his hands until players lose all trade value. If we blew it up during the Muss season we could have gotten a lot more then D-league quality rookies for Artest and Bibby.
Then there has just been questionable signing after questionable signing.
Moore is a stiff, Beno is a scrub, and Salmons is a cancer. With more thoughtful scouting our FO should have known all of that. There were questions on Beno's work ethic, and Salmons attitude before we signed them, and honestly Mikki's stats should have spoken for themselves.
The revolving door of coaches is frustrating as well. Reggie was F'n up at the start of the season, but a month in he was doing his job. Youth were getting major minutes, and even though we were losing, we played with heart and stayed competitive. That was a major theme in game threads early on; 'we suck. But we have heart.'
Then Reggie was fired. We got Natt. Hawe's minutes shrunk to garbage time. Bobby Brown was getting DNP-CD, and Greene was sent down to D-League. What do we see now? Smallball, players dogging it, and 3 quarters of garbage time per game. I honestly wonder what Natt assisted Sloan with over in Utah. Probably getting him coffee or something.
The FO messed up again with the firing of Theus. They know it. And now they're trying to cover their **** by saying they 'locked him up for an extension!'. Like he needs locking up. Its like they're (the FO) trying to trick the common fan into thinking he's a good coach with that move. Insulting.
Yes it is a rebuild. But it didnt have to be this painful. We could have been in the Oden AND Rose sweepstakes. Instead we're in the 'worst draft in the past 6 years' sweepstakes. At least we'll be a top 3 lock again next season.
...It's like, you have a rotten tooth so you go to the dentist. The dentist just kinda fools around and pulls out a bunch of healthy teeth before finally getting it right and pulling the rotten one. He also doesnt even give you the laughing gas. So you stumble out of his office with your cheeks all swollen and blood pouring out your mouth, cussing about what a horrible job the dentist did and your friend who's there to pick you up says "dont complain, you needed that tooth pulled."
Sptsjunkie
Starter
We probably do, we are basically in year lowest point of our rebuild, all of the other teams on this list bottomed out a year or two ago. Seattle was awful the last two years, Memphis has been terrible for awhile hitting rock bottom after trading Gasol last season, Minnesota was an absolute joke last year even after trading a Superstar in his prime. And some (i.e. Warriors) have had so many lottery picks the last decade they should have some talent.
I am not worried about the lack of a star, that will come with draft picks and we already have some nice young players (KMart, Hawes, JT, potentially Greene). What makes this hard for me to watch is the way certain players have quit on the team or are playing for their own stats. I think if we can get rid of some of the veterans who don't care anymore, our young guys will play much more competitive games as the season goes on. And with a top 5 pick on the roster next season and the #20 pick, we will look better. Then with another top 7-8 pick the year after and a free agent or two, we will actually resemble a competitive team.
BRAVO! I don't agree with your whole post but did think you hit a nerve
with those parts I've quoted!pkballr said:
There is NO SUCH THING as a "true fan." The whole idea is totally absurd on its face.
Fans are people who follow sports teams for a wide variety of reasons. Some want to watch "their team" when they're worth the price of the tickets, win more than they lose, etc. That doesn't make them any less a fan than someone who is there through thick or thin regardless of what happens.
People look for different things from their teams. Some just want a couple of hours of entertainment. They want to be part of the collective group who gets excited at wins. Others go into detail about draft picks, trades, etc.
There are fans who follow the team religiously and those who just buy the jersey, so to speak.
Nobody has to love - or hate - a team. They do what they choose to meet their own needs.
The whole idea of a "true fan" has gotten beyond ridiculous. We are ALL Kings fans. How we define our fandom is up to us. The whole "fair weather" or "true" fan concept is simply without any real relevance.
Be as good a fan as you can be. Right now I wouldn't blame anyone for turning off their TV or turning away from the current fiasco in disgust. If anything, I think the players may actually be surprised anyone is still watching...
There will be some with a higher tolerance for pain (or whatever) who stick around through thick and thin. And when things start to improve, we'll welcome those back who just couldn't justify wasting the time or energy to cheer for the uncheerable.
It's not a contest on who is the best fan. Never was and never should be.
I disagree that there is no such thing as a fair-weather fan, there are people who buy the gear of the championship team and root for the front-runners, no matter who they are, every season. But that's generally not what we're talking about here.
I think Kings fans are still good fans. The reason we had such a great reputation was because we used to have very affordable tickets and not much else to do in Sac, so the Arena was never empty even when the team was abysmal. When I was in high school the best seats in the house had a ~$30 face value, adjust for inflation and that would still be lower than even ok seats run nowadays. Die-hard Knicks and Lakers fans have always been great basketball fans too, but many of them are shut out of their arenas. We have a right to complain when the product isn't worth paying for and frankly there isn't really any reason for a team to improve if the fan-base is always happy with the status quo.
I think Kings fans are still good fans. The reason we had such a great reputation was because we used to have very affordable tickets and not much else to do in Sac, so the Arena was never empty even when the team was abysmal. When I was in high school the best seats in the house had a ~$30 face value, adjust for inflation and that would still be lower than even ok seats run nowadays. Die-hard Knicks and Lakers fans have always been great basketball fans too, but many of them are shut out of their arenas. We have a right to complain when the product isn't worth paying for and frankly there isn't really any reason for a team to improve if the fan-base is always happy with the status quo.
Sptsjunkie
Starter
BRAVO! I don't agree with your whole post but did think you hit a nerve
There is NO SUCH THING as a "true fan." The whole idea is totally absurd on its face.
Fans are people who follow sports teams for a wide variety of reasons. Some want to watch "their team" when they're worth the price of the tickets, win more than they lose, etc. That doesn't make them any less a fan than someone who is there through thick or thin regardless of what happens.
People look for different things from their teams. Some just want a couple of hours of entertainment. They want to be part of the collective group who gets excited at wins. Others go into detail about draft picks, trades, etc.
There are fans who follow the team religiously and those who just buy the jersey, so to speak.
Nobody has to love - or hate - a team. They do what they choose to meet their own needs.
The whole idea of a "true fan" has gotten beyond ridiculous. We are ALL Kings fans. How we define our fandom is up to us. The whole "fair weather" or "true" fan concept is simply without any real relevance.
Be as good a fan as you can be. Right now I wouldn't blame anyone for turning off their TV or turning away from the current fiasco in disgust. If anything, I think the players may actually be surprised anyone is still watching...
There will be some with a higher tolerance for pain (or whatever) who stick around through thick and thin. And when things start to improve, we'll welcome those back who just couldn't justify wasting the time or energy to cheer for the uncheerable.
It's not a contest on who is the best fan. Never was and never should be.
I don't know VF. I think that someone who sticks with a team as they struggle is more of a "true fan" than someone who only follows them when they are a playoff team.
Now I agree with G that being a true fan does not mean watcing players who have clearly quit on the season and pretending to enjoy it or blindly ignorning bad moved by the front office.
gunks
Hall of Famer
BRAVO! I don't agree with your whole post but did think you hit a nerve
I was thinking about editing the monster post down to pretty much exactly what you quoted haha.
...The stuff you dont agree on is me exercising my right as a fan to vent
nbrans
All-Star
This will be Petrie's obituary unless he's able to turn things around. Very nicely summaraized.
The Webber trade represented an opportunity. Not sure the Kings could have gotten a better deal under the circumstances (I think everyone knew that despite the stats he was essentially done), but it should have been the start. The Shareef signing was fine at the time (the price was right), and the Bonzi trade was savvy. But once it became apparent that Bibby/Peja/Miller weren't going anywhere as a core, that's when the fire sale should have happened. Everything should have been blown up around Bonzi's, Skinner's and Corliss' expiring contracts. Free agency, draft, etc.
The Artest trade was the crucial move that perpetuated the mediocrity. It was good on the face, not good in terms of rejuvenating the franchise, and I wonder if the Maloofs foiled Petrie's rebuilding plans. It essentially forestalled any rebuilding (because there was no sense in rebuilding around Artest), and postponed the true reckoning. Now that rebuilding has finally begun we got essentially nothing for Bibby and are soon to get nothing for Miller.
This pill would be so much easier to swallow if the rebuild had been swift. But whether it's Petrie or the Maloofs or whatever, the dithering and lack of direction has been just miserable for the fans.
The expression "true fan" is primarily useful for picking fights, but not much other than that. Don't believe me? Tell me to my face that I'm not a "true fan," because I'm critical of the team, and see if you don't have a fight on your hands.
I suppose that it may also provide the supplementary effect of allowing some fans to look down their noses at other fans...
I suppose that it may also provide the supplementary effect of allowing some fans to look down their noses at other fans...
Sptsjunkie
Starter
Well, this is probably where the term gets overused. For my own definition, I would call pretty much anyone who posts on this board a "true fan." Being a true fan doesn't mean being overly positive or liking a team that's not trying. However, there are a lot of fans who will only follow a playoff team. I am sorry, but that is not a true fan. That's essentially a front runner.
gunks
Hall of Famer
You know, you're right. It's funny...I think I subconciously overlook this fact just because things got really good for us after we landed Artest (at least until the next season)....
Honestly, I put that post allstar break playoff push by us as the best time to be a Kings fan since Webber went down. We had one of the best records in the league after the break and nobody wanted us in the first round. Ron and Bonzi just bullied everyone and every team that got in our way....Then we played the Spurs, Bibby and Miller brought their usual C- game (actually Miller gets an F for that series), Pops outcoached Rick, and the rest is history.
But lets be real here....If we hadnt had the Peja trade and our team stunk itself into a top 3 pick in '06, we all know Petrie would have wasted it on Adam Morrison
CaminoChaos
Bench
Many fans have come up with the point that Petrie and the front office has made trades and signing (or lack there of) with no sense of direction. I disagree. I feel that the front office had a target year and that was 2010. 2010 is going to the best free agent market in years.
You look at the trades Petrie has made and most of them make sense. Bibby was traded for expirings and or player expiring before 2010. None of them will bew on the roster in 2010. Artest was traded for a draft pick, a young promising rookie and BJax who is also expiring before 2010. Keeping Artest would only make us a better team which would result in a worst draft pick. trading Peja I feel was a good trade. I believe Artest did a better job for us than Peja could have done in the playoffs that year. Now of coarse you can't talk about trades without the Webber trade. When the trade first went down I thought it was good. It was so obvious that Webber was not the same player. He did infact win the Player of the Month but who ever comes up with these awards looks soley at stats not the games. It would take Webb about 15 seconds to get from one side of the key to the other and would scrub like PF's look like Karl Malone when he was defending them. I feel GP wanted to continue being a playoff contender at that time. KT, Williamson and Skinner were all very productive players at the time of the trade.
As far as the signing this is where I got baffled. The signing of Mikki was the result of what I believe was SAR's injury(which no one knew at the time) and lockerroom presence. Was it a good signing? Yeah. We need a big and GP knew he'd be off the books by 2010. Salmon was another questionable signing which I had mixed feelings. Is Salmons worth the MLE? Yes. For some one who can score 20 ppg and is a good defender it is a good price to pay. Would I have done it? I don't know. We had Garcia, Martin and nobody knew WTF Douby would do. The latest signing was Beno. Blah. I guess we didn't have a choice but I would not have sign him for that. He'd be good for a backup but I still feel that was alot of money to throw at a back up.
With all that said. I think were on the right track. Petie will get rid of Brad get a good draft pick and sign a stud and we will be back in the running in a year or 2.
You look at the trades Petrie has made and most of them make sense. Bibby was traded for expirings and or player expiring before 2010. None of them will bew on the roster in 2010. Artest was traded for a draft pick, a young promising rookie and BJax who is also expiring before 2010. Keeping Artest would only make us a better team which would result in a worst draft pick. trading Peja I feel was a good trade. I believe Artest did a better job for us than Peja could have done in the playoffs that year. Now of coarse you can't talk about trades without the Webber trade. When the trade first went down I thought it was good. It was so obvious that Webber was not the same player. He did infact win the Player of the Month but who ever comes up with these awards looks soley at stats not the games. It would take Webb about 15 seconds to get from one side of the key to the other and would scrub like PF's look like Karl Malone when he was defending them. I feel GP wanted to continue being a playoff contender at that time. KT, Williamson and Skinner were all very productive players at the time of the trade.
As far as the signing this is where I got baffled. The signing of Mikki was the result of what I believe was SAR's injury(which no one knew at the time) and lockerroom presence. Was it a good signing? Yeah. We need a big and GP knew he'd be off the books by 2010. Salmon was another questionable signing which I had mixed feelings. Is Salmons worth the MLE? Yes. For some one who can score 20 ppg and is a good defender it is a good price to pay. Would I have done it? I don't know. We had Garcia, Martin and nobody knew WTF Douby would do. The latest signing was Beno. Blah. I guess we didn't have a choice but I would not have sign him for that. He'd be good for a backup but I still feel that was alot of money to throw at a back up.
With all that said. I think were on the right track. Petie will get rid of Brad get a good draft pick and sign a stud and we will be back in the running in a year or 2.
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