The Kings young core - is it enough?
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Curry is better than almost anyone on any other team as well. Bagley and Giles have not had their rookie seasons yet. And all of our rookies became rookies earlier in their development cycle than Curry did (not that I'm saying they will reach a level Curry has)... but the roster is full of promise I believe. this is the year we will learn whether this team will be a competitive team in the future or whether the talent we collected is...not.
No, to start off a core you need 5 players. That's the crux of what Tony was saying. Our five players right now are as shown in the OP. He thens asks the question "Is that enough?" I think that's where people are drifting apart. You obviously (along with a number of others) don't think it is, for reasons including Giles unproven worth and the lack of anything we can definitely call a "franchise player."
I, on the other hand, think it's a good core to begin with. Certainly much better than what we've been seeing for the past decade or so.
I, on the other hand, think it's a good core to begin with. Certainly much better than what we've been seeing for the past decade or so.
I'm pointing out an inconsistency in the premise - that Giles is a "core" player. The onus is on Giles to prove his fitness level and become a core player. Core - meaning foundational. The entire core is not unproven, just Bagley and Giles. If you're talking about "expectations", use the word "expectations".
Wow, The team has five young players with real NBA potential. All five could turn out to be superstars or all five could turn out to be roleplayers. The question of is the core enough, who knows? But the potential in our young core is high. Is it enough well of course not. There will be trades and there will be free agent signings and there will be more draft picks. Our core has high potential and like each other which means chemistry. Vlade is building this the right way. Has he made mistakes? yes. Will he make more? yes. Will the Suns beat us to the playoffs? maybe. The team is exciting and finally being built the right way. Some of you sure like to argue. You should put your resume together and send it to all the NBA teams. I am sure someone will hire you.
If we want to start playing with word meanings, where up is down and down is up....fair enough - have fun.
Yes Giles and Bagley are unproven young players. To the original question, is that group of players enough - no. You have one added rookie. You saw what the team looked like last year, and I doubt it changes by leaps in bounds unless both Fox and Hield drastically improve their shooting.
Yes Giles and Bagley are unproven young players. To the original question, is that group of players enough - no. You have one added rookie. You saw what the team looked like last year, and I doubt it changes by leaps in bounds unless both Fox and Hield drastically improve their shooting.
Even though he went to college for 3yrs, he was only 21 when he entered the NBA. Fox was 19, and turned 20 in Decemeber of his rookie year. As you said, Fox has another year before he's at Steph's rookie year, but can he match up to his rookie year?
Buddy and Bogdan are old rookies.
Ok, let's break down the Warriors 5 then. Let's start the year when Draymond and Barnes were rookies. That's 2012-2013.
Stephen Curry: 22.9pts 6.9asts 4.0rebs 45.1/45.3/90.0
DAVID LEE: 18.5pts 11.2rebs 3.5asts 51.9/0/79.7
Klay Thompson: 16.6pts 2.2asts 3.7rebs 42.2/40.1/84.1
Harrison Barnes: 9.2pts 4.1rebs 1.2asts 43.9/35.9/75.8
Draymond Green: 2.9pts 3.3rebs (barely played)
Since you say you need 5 players in your core, then this was the start of their "core" since they just drafted Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green. We have any players on the team who can put up those stats?
Buddy and Bogdan are old rookies.
Ok, let's break down the Warriors 5 then. Let's start the year when Draymond and Barnes were rookies. That's 2012-2013.
Stephen Curry: 22.9pts 6.9asts 4.0rebs 45.1/45.3/90.0
DAVID LEE: 18.5pts 11.2rebs 3.5asts 51.9/0/79.7
Klay Thompson: 16.6pts 2.2asts 3.7rebs 42.2/40.1/84.1
Harrison Barnes: 9.2pts 4.1rebs 1.2asts 43.9/35.9/75.8
Draymond Green: 2.9pts 3.3rebs (barely played)
Since you say you need 5 players in your core, then this was the start of their "core" since they just drafted Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green. We have any players on the team who can put up those stats?
If Hield drastically improves his shooting Curry will have nothing on him 
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I'm assuming you meant Giles/Bagley?
. I'm assuming you meant Giles/Bagley?
We definitely have players that can put up Barnes and greens numbers. But also you have to factor minutes. Fox buddy and bogie didn't start most of the games in the beginning and split time with vets. I don't remember exactly how much the warriors players player but the final stats might be skewed. Since our guys were just drafted and lost mins to vets, numbers close to Barnes and green are expected.
It was his premise. Sorry if the concept eludes you. YOUR definition of core player may differ but that doesn't invalidate his. End of story? Finito? Thanks for playing? Whatever. Admit it. You bit off more than you could chew and now you're just backpedaling to keep from admitting it. Don't forget to tip your waiter.
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This is a very strange argument.
This thread began with a tweet that stated that the Kings didn't have a pick in 2019 so for all intents and purposes the young guys on the roster would have to be the core of the team. The question was whether or not that group is enough to be successful.
You can disagree with how Tony Xypteras is using the word "core" but that's not really the crux of the discussion.
The real question is whether Vlade has assembled enough talent for the Kings to move forward in a positive way.
And for me the answer is that it's hard to say right now. A lot would have to break right for this team. But we'll get a good indication in a little over a week when the first summer league games start.
This thread began with a tweet that stated that the Kings didn't have a pick in 2019 so for all intents and purposes the young guys on the roster would have to be the core of the team. The question was whether or not that group is enough to be successful.
You can disagree with how Tony Xypteras is using the word "core" but that's not really the crux of the discussion.
The real question is whether Vlade has assembled enough talent for the Kings to move forward in a positive way.
And for me the answer is that it's hard to say right now. A lot would have to break right for this team. But we'll get a good indication in a little over a week when the first summer league games start.
Why are people trying to compare the Kings core to one of if not the greatest team to ever play in the NBA? How about we have a initial goal of having a team that can make the playoffs or even just play .500 basketball within the next 2-3 years. By then we should have a better idea of what this team is still lacking. Right now its about developing the young talent and establishing good habits and good basketball. In terms of wins if the team can get to 33-35 wins next season with the young guys being the main contributors i would say it has been a successful enough season.
No. Not as it stands.
The team is missing the alpha. The guy who attracts doubles. The guy who commands extra attention and opens it for others. The guy you dump it into in the 4th and say "bring us home".
Closest thing is Bogdan in P&R actions. I'd run most perimeter offense thru him in P&R actions. He's underrated. If Joerger quite running his caveman system and unleashed the Serbian, he's an 18/6/6 type player.
I am however intrigued by Giles, the apparent best passer on the squad.
None of this is to say this team can't collectively become a playoff squad. It can.
The team is missing the alpha. The guy who attracts doubles. The guy who commands extra attention and opens it for others. The guy you dump it into in the 4th and say "bring us home".
Closest thing is Bogdan in P&R actions. I'd run most perimeter offense thru him in P&R actions. He's underrated. If Joerger quite running his caveman system and unleashed the Serbian, he's an 18/6/6 type player.
I am however intrigued by Giles, the apparent best passer on the squad.
None of this is to say this team can't collectively become a playoff squad. It can.
The Kings will continue to be one of the youngest teams in the league. Carter is kind of a player coach. I can't see Randolph starting that much.
KK is one of the only experienced players on the roster that is going to get minutes every night. Temple may become a sort of utility player off the bench.
But the team has talent for a change. They have athleticism. Winning more than 30 games is going to take some time. The Kings are likely to get there. Giles has turned into somewhat of a legend and we haven't seen him play yet. Willie may have a career as a backup player.
You have to be optimistic about Fox, Bogdan, Hield, Giles and Bagley. That group is going to be entertaining at least. Some of their games are going to surprise people. Fox has shown the potential to take over the end of some games. Hield can do that with scoring. Bogdan had that ridiculous game against Cleveland showing up James. Giles is the wild card and Bagley could have star power. Watching the Celtics play was inspirational for me and maybe useful for the Kings to watch.
KK is one of the only experienced players on the roster that is going to get minutes every night. Temple may become a sort of utility player off the bench.
But the team has talent for a change. They have athleticism. Winning more than 30 games is going to take some time. The Kings are likely to get there. Giles has turned into somewhat of a legend and we haven't seen him play yet. Willie may have a career as a backup player.
You have to be optimistic about Fox, Bogdan, Hield, Giles and Bagley. That group is going to be entertaining at least. Some of their games are going to surprise people. Fox has shown the potential to take over the end of some games. Hield can do that with scoring. Bogdan had that ridiculous game against Cleveland showing up James. Giles is the wild card and Bagley could have star power. Watching the Celtics play was inspirational for me and maybe useful for the Kings to watch.