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Kingsguy881
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Any ****ing questions?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
About sums it up. And has for at least 3 years now.
Fear the Putin
Starter
Let's trade him
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Well, part of the problem is having a coaches (sans Malone) that always want to match lineups with the opposition. I just fail to understand why some coaches do that. Roll your best 5 out there and take your chances. While our bigs may have problems guarding smaller players, those same players have to play defense against bigger players on the other end. Karl's starting lineup tonight was a joke and played right into the Suns strengths.
When Cuz comes back, there's no excuse not to go big and play to our strengths.
When Cuz comes back, there's no excuse not to go big and play to our strengths.
I'm honestly sick of this narrative. No freaking duh we're worse without Cousins. I'm tired of all the "haha, look how right I am about how bad this team is without Cousins" comments.
There isn't a team in the NBA that can absorb losing their top 10 player. Just go down the line. How many wins for the Warriors without Steph? Thunder without Durant or Westbrook? Cleveland without LeBron? Houston without Harden? Clips without CP3 or Blake?It's a star driven league people and the only team that's managed to do win without a true star in the last 15 years (although Kawhi is there now), are the Spurs.
Next, let's add in the fact that we don't have the luxury of having a program in place, like basically every other good team in the NBA. OKC players, even with a new coach, understand how the fit in with Westbrook and Durant and what they're supposed to around them. So when one of them go down, they obviously can't replace the production, but they can continue chugging along in a winning system for awhile.
Even though we're a "veteran" team, that experience doesn't really matter because this team doesn't know how to play with each other. And for some reason, I'll trust and give more time to the 1000 win coach that he can get this team playing together and get the rotation ironed out.
The fire Karl comments and the general animosity towards him is flat out ridiculous. We're 5 games into his coaching regime (yes, last year didn't count, this roster is completely different) and 2 without our best player. And the three with him on the floor were solid enough games.
There isn't a team in the NBA that can absorb losing their top 10 player. Just go down the line. How many wins for the Warriors without Steph? Thunder without Durant or Westbrook? Cleveland without LeBron? Houston without Harden? Clips without CP3 or Blake?It's a star driven league people and the only team that's managed to do win without a true star in the last 15 years (although Kawhi is there now), are the Spurs.
Next, let's add in the fact that we don't have the luxury of having a program in place, like basically every other good team in the NBA. OKC players, even with a new coach, understand how the fit in with Westbrook and Durant and what they're supposed to around them. So when one of them go down, they obviously can't replace the production, but they can continue chugging along in a winning system for awhile.
Even though we're a "veteran" team, that experience doesn't really matter because this team doesn't know how to play with each other. And for some reason, I'll trust and give more time to the 1000 win coach that he can get this team playing together and get the rotation ironed out.
The fire Karl comments and the general animosity towards him is flat out ridiculous. We're 5 games into his coaching regime (yes, last year didn't count, this roster is completely different) and 2 without our best player. And the three with him on the floor were solid enough games.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No actually, not going to go recrunch the numbers again, but the Cuz effect, except for about 2 weeks at the end of last season when everybody had quit and we were just winging it, ha actually been just about the greatest falloff in the league except for Bron. Which of course is not a huge surprise given our wretchedness a a franchise. There's no CP3 or Westbrook to catch us when we lose the franchise here.
I do think that part of the problem is our offense is always so designed to just dump the ball to Cuz whether it's in the post or at the free throw line and let him go to work and create. Pretty much like the Cavs of old before Lebron left for Miami. There is really very very little off-ball movement and screening that goes on to get guys open. So once Cuz is out then our guys just end up running around chucking shots. I'd reckon that the same rosters would perform better if they never had Cuz on the team to begin with. A Spurs lineup in the past without the big 3/4 still executes better than any of our teams without Cousins do, because their offense does not consist of throw the ball to player X and stand around. Naturally they lose out when it comes to needing clutch buckets but the overall game is played better.
And of course at the end of the day... Kings have sucked with Cousins, and Kings sucked without Cousins. Either way, Kings have sucked, and that sucks.
Siranthony
Starter
The team sucks more without Cousins.
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KingMilz
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This is the issue
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I think the worst thing that could of happened was Golden State winning a title with their small ball antics. Now everybody thinks they can do it and that Draymond Green's grow on trees or something.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I think you may be right because I don't know if I can say that Karl will adjust to his players strength...he might have it set in his mind that fast paced, small ball basketball will be successful with this squad. sigh.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
True that. Also, if it wasn't bad enough already, now every kid will be focusing only on shooting threes. Even several feet behind the line.
That's what this league has becomes. Drive and kick for an open three. In the playoffs last year, I saw Bogut give up an uncontested layup/dunk to pass out for a 3.
If that's where this league is headed, I'm definitely not a fan.
They have a 3-pt contest in the All-star game. I don't want to see that contest in an actual game such as the Rockets-Warriors last year when they each jacked up somewhere around 50 or 60?
Ridiculous.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No, people are talking themselves up into rather more panic than there is quite yet.
I've been saying for some time now we HAVE to turn things this year. Must. And if we don't we are both screwed, and deserve to be screwed. Pathetic if it happens. But we don't need to turn it in the first week.
one of the real downsides of constantly changing coaches is every single year almost we start off a mess and blow our early season while everybody learns the particular incompetencies of the new coaches and lineup. But with this roster and coach, the season isn't over after a week. Karl has to learn how to play them, and they have to learn how to play Karl's wackyball. It could of course all fall apart. But not 5 games in.
I've been saying for some time now we HAVE to turn things this year. Must. And if we don't we are both screwed, and deserve to be screwed. Pathetic if it happens. But we don't need to turn it in the first week.
one of the real downsides of constantly changing coaches is every single year almost we start off a mess and blow our early season while everybody learns the particular incompetencies of the new coaches and lineup. But with this roster and coach, the season isn't over after a week. Karl has to learn how to play them, and they have to learn how to play Karl's wackyball. It could of course all fall apart. But not 5 games in.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
We all know this is a copy cat league AKA "what have you done for me lately" type of ordeal. Like sheep, everyone goes and follows suit and fails at it instead of implementing their own style of play and system based on the players they have on the roster and basing it around your best personnel. It's a different animal if you have a bunch of fringe all-stars or mediocre players, but when you constantly try to play away from the strengths of your cornerstone...well my friends, the prime example are the Sacramento Kings I'm afraid.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
So let's say...35 games in, the players are still not responding to Karl's "wacky ball" what then? Do you go and ride it out and ship Cousins off and begin the rebuilding process once again? By god I'll be damned if Cousins takes another year of losing well.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I hate to say this, but we've sucked with Cousins. Not blaming him, just stating facts.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I agree! The problem is that were a one banana team. Gay is our second banana, but in reality, he's a third banana pretending to be a second banana. Teams like the Thunder have second banana's that could just as easily be first banana's, so when a Durant goes down, the drop off isn't always fatal. But with the Kings, there is no one else on the team that can do what Cousins does. So when he goes down, and we have to play a good team, we fall off the face of the earth. Especially now, when you have a group that hasn't played together very long. A team is the sum of it's parts. The better the parts, the better the team. When they play like a team.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
That's what happens when you don't play to your players strengths or surround them will talent. Now they've surrounded Cuz with talent, but aren't playing to his strengths.
If this team had Shaquille O'Neal in his prime and was playing this same style of ball and not parking Shaq's butt in the post, they'd be sucking just the same.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Shaq also would ask for a trade in the process.
fansinceday1
Starter
And I fear that if this year goes off the tracks this year will be boogies last one here.
Shaq would park his own butt in the post. Same with Barkley. If they didn't give him the ball he'd just go stand in the lane and get a 3 second violation. They sure as hell wouldn't spend the offseason working on shooting 3 pointers.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Shaq never once had to live wiht a coach demanding he be elsewhere. Nobody was that stupid.
This franchise is that stupid. We are two groups of stupid owners in who have done nothing but take a dump all over the incredible gift they were given -- one of the last breathing legit big men goto guys. And their basketball understanding was so weak and so faddish they had no idea what that meant. If Karl and Cuz works its purely on the talent involved in the pairing, nto because they remotely belong together and are going to gain any synergistic advntaage.,
