The Kings looking for the next Ben Wallace.
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kingsfan916
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Totally agree with you, Anwar was at traning camp last year so most likely he will make it because we don't really have a tall bench.
allrightythen
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I think the presence of Sampson may put Anwar in a similar situation to last year. Sampson is an NBA guy, true he hasn't done a ton, but he did give Charlotte some solid minutes with his boards and blocks.
allrightythen
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True, but it seems unlikely that he would get minutes there with all the bodies we have. But I guess its silly to talk about minutes when you're discussing the 13th/14th players on the roster (possibly).
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AriesMar27
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i just liked anwar's name.... he could become a keon type player.... those miracle games against the mavs... that was hilarious.... if he makes the team i'll buy his jersey..... instead of sar...
allrightythen
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It is hard not to like a guy named Anwar, I can see where that could be a problem. And if that translates into what happened in those Dallas games, I'm all for it.
As far as injuries go, we won't have any this year so I don't think thats an issue. Knock on wood, lots and lots of wood.
As far as injuries go, we won't have any this year so I don't think thats an issue. Knock on wood, lots and lots of wood.
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Last season's averages per 48 minutes:
Ben Wallace: 13 points, 16.2 rebounds, 3.2 blocks
Jamal Sampson: 11.5 points, 17.8 rebounds, 2.5 blocks
Brian Skinner: 11.9 points, 14.3 rebounds, 2.5 blocks
Ben Wallace: 13 points, 16.2 rebounds, 3.2 blocks
Jamal Sampson: 11.5 points, 17.8 rebounds, 2.5 blocks
Brian Skinner: 11.9 points, 14.3 rebounds, 2.5 blocks
SacTownKid
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I was kind of angry that Petrie didn't pick up Anwar and at least put him on the bench next Daniels last year. He's back for another chance so I feel better now. He is a big time shotblocker around the basket, he has to have gained some weight to be back. If he did I would be shocked if he doesn't make a serious run at a spot.
As for Corliss, a guy like him on your squad is never a bad thing. He isn't the prototypical player but he can create some serious mismatches. With our bench that could be a good thing.
You/ve got Corliss down in the post, Kenny at the elbow, Skinner hovering around, Garcia can shoot the 3, Martin can create his own offense very well and I am sure he has improved his mid-range game, Hart is a fairly good playmaker / passer. Sounds solid to me.
As for Corliss, a guy like him on your squad is never a bad thing. He isn't the prototypical player but he can create some serious mismatches. With our bench that could be a good thing.
You/ve got Corliss down in the post, Kenny at the elbow, Skinner hovering around, Garcia can shoot the 3, Martin can create his own offense very well and I am sure he has improved his mid-range game, Hart is a fairly good playmaker / passer. Sounds solid to me.
Packt
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Petrie and Adelmen might very well view Garcia as Peja's backup. It would explain drafting smaller wing players two years in a row, especially when you're high on the first one. Our tweeners aren't three point threats, and the system relies on spacing the floor. There's not going to be enough space on the floor for a 3-4-5 combo of Miller, Rahim, Skinner, Sampson, Williamson, Thomas to operate. That'd only leave us with the backcourt as legit outside threats whenever Peja's not in the game, and Bonzi is shaky at best. Unless you're not concerned with playing Martin, you could move Wells up and play Garcia at the 2. Of course this is all dependent on Garcia being able to hit the three consistently. If he can, it will come down to whether you play Martin or Corliss.
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allrightythen
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I don't think these guys are going to see enough minutes together to make that big of an impact. Its been stated many times, our starters are big minute guys and barring injury I don't think they'll see the floor a whole as a unit (the bench boys I mean).
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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What's that about lies and statistics?
That would be the encouraging thing about Sampson -- he definitely looks like an NBA player, long and athletic. And he seems to put up exciting numbers in his few minutes.
Now the not so encouraging thing would be that despite putting up those numbers, team after team keeps on releasing him, including an EXPANSION team last year. And that's after getting a long look at him for literally months. I'd love to see him play a bit to try to figure out what the problem is (other than some rumblings about his attitude), but he'll be lucky to even get the minutes he's gotten in the last few so he could still be a mystery come this time next year.
Yeah, but things could change/be looked at/learned of in that department.
Because we have our best bench since 02-03. Meaning the starters can and should be rested some more, and from the last two seasons that wasn't there much. AKA, Bibby/Brad/Peja.
Now some of this was probably because of injuries, getting guys in, looking at guys, but Rick played a bunch of guys the last two months. I also remember in that, he played the starters for the first qtr, then brought in a trio/some of the bench to play the 2nd, and went from there for the 2nd half. Also did that in the playoffs, but some of that was obviously from injuries, and a shorter period of time. Also, I remember him saying a few times "I'm playing the guys who are doing well" or something like that.
Hopefully that rubs off over to this season, at least to a degree
. I'd like to see it.
Because we have our best bench since 02-03. Meaning the starters can and should be rested some more, and from the last two seasons that wasn't there much. AKA, Bibby/Brad/Peja.
Now some of this was probably because of injuries, getting guys in, looking at guys, but Rick played a bunch of guys the last two months. I also remember in that, he played the starters for the first qtr, then brought in a trio/some of the bench to play the 2nd, and went from there for the 2nd half. Also did that in the playoffs, but some of that was obviously from injuries, and a shorter period of time. Also, I remember him saying a few times "I'm playing the guys who are doing well" or something like that.
Hopefully that rubs off over to this season, at least to a degree
. I'd like to see it.
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allrightythen
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Kings113 said:Yeah, but things could change/be looked at/learned of in that department. Because we have our best bench since 02-03. Now some of this was probably because of injuries, getting guys in, looking at guys, but Rick played a bunch of guys the last two months. I also remember in that, he played the starters for the first qtr, then brought in a trio/some of the bench to play the 2nd, and went from there for the 2nd half. Also did that in the playoffs, but some of that was obviously from injuries, and I remember him saying a few times "I'm playing the guys who are doing well" or something like that.
Hopefully that rubs off over to this season to a degree
I share your hope, but I lack optimism that it will actually happen. Inevitably this conversation comes up every year that Rick will play more of his bench. He tends to stick with the proven vets and usually about an 8 man rotation if he can. He has been in some situations where he's been forced to play more guys, but I think it was more out of necessity, I don't think it can be considered a trend or a peak into the future. I hope I'm wrong on some level and the bench does get used more this year, but its hard to believe it with Rick in his 7th or 8th year with the team.
KingKong
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My feeling is that over the last 2 years our starters have been getting a little too comfortable with the fact that Adelman "sticks with the proven vets". They know they're gonna get their minutes regardless of the effort they put in. They don't have to fight for anything out there. Their defense has been atrocious most of the time and they sometimes take entire seasons off, ala peja last year on offense (injury did play a part). This will just not do, Adelman got to take more of the approach that he did at the end of last year, if the starters are not putting in the effort on both offense and defense, bench them period. That's the Adelman I'd like to see.
Entity
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KingKong said:
Exactly now we have depth gallore and multiple swing players so if maybe Rick can be a jerk this year and DEMAND the best.
Bibby/Hart/Price
Bonzi/Martin/Cisco and price plays like and OG
Peja/Corlis/Cisco/SAR/KT
SAR/KT/Skinner/Corlis/Sampson
Miller/Skinner/Sampson SAR in spots with KT at PF for a min or so
last year pre trades
Bibby/Injured Jackson/House
Christie/Evans/Barnes/Martin
Peja/Barnes
Webber/Songalia/Daniels
Miller/Songalia/Ostertag
I like our depth and starting rotation a good combo of vets and youngsters and players in their prime.
Packt
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Songaila didn't backup Miller last year. If Songaila came in for Miller, Webber moved up.
Bibby/Hart
Bonzi/Martin or Garcia
Peja/Garcia or Corliss
Rahim/Thomas
Miller/Skinner
Those guys will most likely get the bulk of the minutes. If Corliss is Peja's main backup, I see Martin and Garcia- whoever gets the nod- playing the majority of their minutes at off-guard. The system loves shooters, and if Garcia can shoot consistently from outside, he'll probably take that spot behind Peja. That frees up Martin to be Bonzi's back-up.
Bibby/Hart
Bonzi/Martin or Garcia
Peja/Garcia or Corliss
Rahim/Thomas
Miller/Skinner
Those guys will most likely get the bulk of the minutes. If Corliss is Peja's main backup, I see Martin and Garcia- whoever gets the nod- playing the majority of their minutes at off-guard. The system loves shooters, and if Garcia can shoot consistently from outside, he'll probably take that spot behind Peja. That frees up Martin to be Bonzi's back-up.
Entity
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NO NO NO i never said RA would use the depth. Its just basically there in case we have injury. I know they will never be used. but we shouldn't have our starting 2 guard backing up our point like we did last year before we got house. I am just hoping that we can sit the starters at the same time and have the second unit to mesh during practice be a solid team off the bench. I remember seeing the old MOB all in at the same time on several occasions that is what i want.
SacTownKid
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I am just hoping that Adelman uses his bench to avoid those injuries. Not in case of one.
^^ Bench use does not preclude injuries, unless you're saying a player who is sitting on the bench won't get injured while he's on the bench.
This comes up every year just like clockwork. There is NO reliable data to show that players are more prone to injury if they're on the court longer than their bench brethren.
This comes up every year just like clockwork. There is NO reliable data to show that players are more prone to injury if they're on the court longer than their bench brethren.
loopymitch
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As prone as we are to injuries, it doesn't matter whether they're starters or not. They could fall out of bed and break their arm and sooner or later one of them probably will.
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