The Kings and the "Princeton offense"

[HighTopKicks]

Hawes doesn't grab many offensive rebounds anyway; that's Thompson's specialty. So what's it going to hurt by sticking Hawes in the high post and having him run the offense? He's got vision, passing skills, and a love for shooting the ball.

That's where he was on most offensive sets, and that's why he didn't have many offensive rebounds.

It's all about personnel. If we draft Rubio, do you really wnat him to bring up the ball and hand it off to Spencer in the high post. If we don't get a Playmaking PG, then maybe it makes more sense.

But, the principles of any motion offense, is that your players must be quick and athletic enough to run all game cutting off of screens and shooting on the move when they lose their man and get open. Who do we have that fits that discription? Noc? Cisco? No, both are good catch & shoot players but only when they have their feet set. Martin is ok & Beno shoots well on the move, but neither are great passers & Beno doesn't cut hard when he runs the pick & roll now. I'm not sure where to rank JT & Donte because neither is a good jump shooter. But, they could be worked into the offense with some type of screen & roll, off the guard movement.

 

[bajaden]

The Princeton offense and the motion offense and the triangle offense are all similar. They're designed to create high percentage baskets. If they're run properly, everyone on the team stays involved and the assists go up. Which ever one you use, modification will probably be necessary depending on the personal. They are the antithisis of isolation or one on one basketball.

I would guess that over 70% of the teams in the league use some sort of motion offense. The main requirment for any of them is that you have to be willing to bust your butt and keep moving. If the ball stops with you, then the whole offense breaks down.

Vlade and Webb ran a variation where they ran a high and low post initiator. There's no end to how many ways you can modify any of them. Right now, I would settle for any type of system that at least gave the team an idenity and some stability.

 

[rainmaker]

I would have no objection to running a princeton style offense with the nucleus we have. I think Spencer would be perfect for the role that vlade once had, and assuming JT improves his post play and ability to finish around the basket we will have an inside presence. Just because we would run a big out at the elbow in the high post, doesn't mean there won't be opportunties to post up. JT has shown the ability to be a good passer, so Spencer would still get opportunities down low. Remember, both Vlade and Chris would post-up on a regular basis when they played the high-low game. Now I don't want to sound like JT and Spencer will pick up where Webb and Vlade left off, but the potential is there for them to grow into those roles.

I don't agree with the arguement that Rubio wouldn't be a good fit for the princeton offence. While it is true the weakest part of his game is his jumper, which Brick has already stated, Rubio's strength is passing and running the pick and roll. There might have to be a few alterations made compared to the offense we ran with Bibby, but there are opportunities to run pick and rolls out of the princeton offense. If we did that, I think Rubio would be successful. Rubio would also get us a lot more easy baskets, and I think would excel in a free flowing offense.

The player that would benefit the most from the princeton offense would be a healthy K-Mart. The constant movement with out the ball fits his strengths perfectly. Far too often last season this team got caught up playing way too much one on one. The increased ball movement as well as player movement would be a drastic change compared to what we saw last year. IMO it could could be successful, as long as Petrie brings in players that fit that system if thats the direction he wants the team to go in.

 

[Packt]

Because he has a post game.

I'd rather have our C down low shooting the high percentage shots then jacking 20 footers. He's not going to get opposing bigs in foul trouble that way.

Passing should be the PG's job. Which is why I'm pulling for us to get Rubio. But if we're going with the Princeton why even get Rubio? Bibby averaged 8+ assists per game before he came here.

You want two different things, both not necessarily negated by the Princeton O.

If Rubio is as advertised, there is a lot of room for him to push the break and get players high percentage shots. Lobs, oops, and hitting cutters should all be there for him in a Princeton Offense.

Now, if you want the bigs setting up down low waiting for the entry pass, well Rubio would be wasted in that environment. Having your bigs clogging the paint wouldn't be conducive to Rubio's assist numbers.

 

[Aenadin]

i like the princeton offense

but if we do draft a good point guard aka Rubio then maybe we can run both princeton and a little bit of other plays.. what rubio will bring is defense.. which is our glaring weakness right now..

the princeton offense works on getting the highest percentage of shot right? so if our guys gets easy layups or really good looks hawes and JT wouldnt need so much on the offensive rebound

what we need to work on is defensive end and our defensive scheme

the offense is there... the defense.... not so much

 

[bajaden]

i like the princeton offense

but if we do draft a good point guard aka Rubio then maybe we can run both princeton and a little bit of other plays.. what rubio will bring is defense.. which is our glaring weakness right now..

the princeton offense works on getting the highest percentage of shot right? so if our guys gets easy layups or really good looks hawes and JT wouldnt need so much on the offensive rebound

what we need to work on is defensive end and our defensive scheme

the offense is there... the defense.... not so much

Someone said once that the best defense is a good offense. I don't necessarily think that it applies equally to basketball, but more made baskets means fewer transition baskets for the other team. Even if it added up to only three less transition baskets for the other team per game, thats six less points in the plus minus stats. Yeah, I know its not that simple and there are other factors, but its still a plus, and you have to start somewhere.

 

[Aenadin]

i agree that it doesnt not always equate to the best defense is the best offense strat

how far has phoenix gone with that strategy right

 

[Gary]

Rubio is NOT a Princeton PG.

The Princeton, like the triangle, is actively hostile to PGs who dominate the ball. A Princeton PG does not run the show-- the bigs do. And the most important trait he can have is spot shooting -- Rubio's weakest link (offensively at least). Chris Paul would be wasted in the system, as would JKidd or Nash have been. JWill struggled with it until we finally banished him for a much better system player in Bibby. If you're truly going to run the Princeton, then there really isn't much point in drafting Rubio. For him to have an impact, he has to dominate the ball and be allowed to run the offense and make the decisions.

Never said he was. He has a high bball IQ and could adjust. Williams, and Bibby weren't known to be those type of PGs either out of college, and they did fine.. And I think Rubio is smarter than both of them.

I am not worried about the pick and slash part where he goes to the basket, but his jumpshots do worry me off of screens..

 

[Superman]

i agree that it doesnt not always equate to the best defense is the best offense strat

how far has phoenix gone with that strategy right

Phoenix was a little different in that they didn't devote any attention or energy to defense, and were just determined to outscore their opponents. If you score 100, we'll score 105. Then it was if you score 110, we'll score 115. Then that 110 became 120 because they wouldn't play defense, and you can't ask your 35 year old point guard to go out there and generate 120+ points of offense every night for six months, then do it against the best defenses in the NBA in the playoffs for two more months.

It's one thing to put points on the board, and quite another to just allow the other team to put points up against you.