The Harry Giles option conundrum
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The team told us as much as it deemed necessary to make the point. Combine the late season "thigh bruise" last year with the out of shape and injured comments this year from the team. It implies that Giles was no longer taking the advice of the Kings training staff. Doing his own thing, or not doing what he was supposed to. When he started training camp too sore to play after a couple practices, he had lost the trust of the Kings and they let him know they weren't going to play him and definitely not give him another payday unless he showed he was serious about taking care of his body.
That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. A hand slap to a young player.
That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. A hand slap to a young player.
Willie actually had one other call for 10 million over 2 years with Charlotte near the very end when it was clear he was going to have to settle. He turned it down for a minimum with GSW thinking he would shine more with the Dubs and get his bag the next offseason(oops).Obviously even less than that would be goodbye Harry. There was a lot of circumstance to Willie as well. He’s not really wrong when he said the Kings didn’t really do him any favors(on top of his idea of his own worth) by making him unrestricted after bigs at his level like Portis, Taj Gibson, or even Jabari Parker got their deals. If he was unrestricted from the jump he would’ve likely ended up with something over 10 million I believe. Hell, the Knicks gave Portis 15. Gibson got 9. Willie would’ve got something.
Harry’s season average is 6-3 but his starting numbers are 10-7-2 and those numbers are trending upwards along with the team and barring injury he’ll continue to start until the end of the season. If he is still trending upwards by the end of the season in production, efficiency, and minutes played WITHOUT injury setbacks(and what if the Kings actually do pull it off and make the playoffs?).I wouldnt be very confident that our 1 year 4 million dollar cap with a logjam of big men returning can be competitive. Especially since this summer for once won’t have a lot of high profile names that need to fall into place before other guys can get signed.
Harry’s season average is 6-3 but his starting numbers are 10-7-2 and those numbers are trending upwards along with the team and barring injury he’ll continue to start until the end of the season. If he is still trending upwards by the end of the season in production, efficiency, and minutes played WITHOUT injury setbacks(and what if the Kings actually do pull it off and make the playoffs?).I wouldnt be very confident that our 1 year 4 million dollar cap with a logjam of big men returning can be competitive. Especially since this summer for once won’t have a lot of high profile names that need to fall into place before other guys can get signed.
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Since when has Willie been considered a defensive shot blocker? When he was drafted?
De’Aaron averaged more blocks that Willie for a good portion of last season.
De’Aaron averaged more blocks that Willie for a good portion of last season.
IMO, rim protection has been the most disappointing part of Willie’s game in the NBA. People complained about the rebounding, but he‘d never shown to be anything better than average on that front. Plus, since he was so athletic, fast and long, he was often used to switch and stick with smaller players which often took him out of position for rebounds. And even for rim protection at times.
However, over the years in SAC when he was in positions to block shots, he didn’t do it as well as he had shown previously. I can’t recall who first pointed it out, but it was at some point after he‘d injured his finger/hand that his motivation for blocking shots dropped considerably. He became hesitant to do so.
Unfortunately for his career, shot blocking and switching were his calling cards and he stopped doing the former at an acceptable level.
MJ was great in many things, talent scouting and contracting are definitely not that. With 4 years/56m to Cody Zeller, 5 years/120m to Batum, and then double-down on 3 years/58m to Rozier, that is on top of Biyombo's last year/17m only just coming off after this year. You can certainly make a case that they overestimated Willie with that 10m/2y contract offer, if you ask me.
We need a good starting center . Now granted Holmes has been pretty dang good but we need a good full size center to stop up the middle.
I see Giles as strictly a backup. I like Giles and root for him but he would not start for anyone else unless they have the first and second option going down or traded like we have.
I can see him as a change of pace player when we run.
I see Giles as strictly a backup. I like Giles and root for him but he would not start for anyone else unless they have the first and second option going down or traded like we have.
I can see him as a change of pace player when we run.
well, if we are really worried about losing him, is it really an overestimate if someone else also sees his potential and gives him a decent offer. It's not like 3 years for 15M total is a huge commitment for most teams. However, to a guy with his injury history might be worth it to grab as much as he can now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/aroyalpain.com/2020/02/28/sacramento-kings-harry-giles-miss/amp/
It’s actually embarrassing like what the hell could we even use 3.9 million on, no vet that’s worth anything would sign that so why not just pick up the damn option.
There’s 0 chance he’s back here at 3.9mill FO ****ed up we had a better chance sitting him for the year now teams will hunt him down.
It’s actually embarrassing like what the hell could we even use 3.9 million on, no vet that’s worth anything would sign that so why not just pick up the damn option.
There’s 0 chance he’s back here at 3.9mill FO ****ed up we had a better chance sitting him for the year now teams will hunt him down.
I had just read this on royalpain, its quite the critique to say worse of a blunder than the 2018 draft. Anyways this is going to be another interesting offseason with several of our most promising players not locked up for next season. Fortunately we are getting a good idea of how well players like Bazemore, Holmes. Len, Giles.... fit with the team instead of signing random vets for too much that don't work out.
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It's crazy because Yogi Ferrell is making over $3M this year. They're telling me Giles isn't valued slightly more than Yogi? I mean come on. Your 3rd string PG is worth that much but your rising, talented prospect isn't worth about $800K more than him?
And then you have Cory Joseph making $12M. Giles isn't worth 1/3rd the amount of Cory Joseph?
Harry's knees look pretty dang good to me. So unless they blow out before the season is over, this is looking like a bad, bad decision.
I can only hope he gets Willie Cauley-Stein'd and gets less offers than expected. But honestly I like Harry and I wouldn't wish that on him.
And then you have Cory Joseph making $12M. Giles isn't worth 1/3rd the amount of Cory Joseph?
Harry's knees look pretty dang good to me. So unless they blow out before the season is over, this is looking like a bad, bad decision.
I can only hope he gets Willie Cauley-Stein'd and gets less offers than expected. But honestly I like Harry and I wouldn't wish that on him.
If you have any plans of retaining a young player you declined an option on, you never showcase them in a contract year. I guess injuries made it rough but right now Giles is actually eating into Buddy/Bogdans minutes by playing big which is just all kind of cluster F'd since it's starting to cause problems elsewhere.
Harry Giles is, and always has been, the kind of young prospect that good teams take chances on. I thought that's what we were doing with him. And now, that's performing EXACTLY AS EVERYONE EXPECTED in the scenario where there is no major re-injury... he's even more likely to get a nice little contract from teams like the Nuggets, Lakers, Raptors, etc.
He'll get something like 2-3 years for 10-15M, with an outside chance at a bidding war between two well capitalized teams, so maybe like 3/20. There's absolutely no reason to not to expect that could happen, and in fact every single observable reason to do so. The excuse of "knees" is less and less plausible with each passing month.
This was an absolutely mindless decision, at best, and deliberate sabotage at worst (which we've seen before in this org).
He'll get something like 2-3 years for 10-15M, with an outside chance at a bidding war between two well capitalized teams, so maybe like 3/20. There's absolutely no reason to not to expect that could happen, and in fact every single observable reason to do so. The excuse of "knees" is less and less plausible with each passing month.
This was an absolutely mindless decision, at best, and deliberate sabotage at worst (which we've seen before in this org).
This is the kind of thing that shows there is no true plan. Kind of like when Marvin and Fox went down early in the season and their backups play a totally different style, so you have to change the offense. You have to maintain some level of continuity, even through injuries. We keep restarting the season with each injury.
If Vlade had his young players development as a priority, he wouldn't have brought in Dedmon or Holmes. Marvin and Giles would have been getting their game experience with no pressure to outperform vets. Look at the difference in Giles when he doesn't have to look over his shoulder.
If Vlade had his young players development as a priority, he wouldn't have brought in Dedmon or Holmes. Marvin and Giles would have been getting their game experience with no pressure to outperform vets. Look at the difference in Giles when he doesn't have to look over his shoulder.
@L’Optimisme and @Livinthedream spittin’ truths.
Well, so is everyone else. They just happened to be the last two I read.
Well, so is everyone else. They just happened to be the last two I read.
