Such a rad game. One of the five games that brought me out of retirement and back to the hobby including <Mega Man 9>, <Valkyria Chronicles>, <Mirror’s Edge>, and <Borderlands>
I also went and redacted this reply to Sluggah’s Batman: Arkham Asylum pick. Truly an awesome set of five titles to bring me back to gaming.
Also, wanted to close the loop on the whole “war room” thing. Total bust. They’d moved on by round 4. Surprised me too because I worked with a friend last time to make some picks and it went fine. Turns out wanting XCOM and not wanting Dark Souls were deal breakers.
I didn’t make a list per se, but if I had, my 15 picks fit fairly nicely within my personal top 30 (subject to change).
1: Chrono Trigger (SNES)
2: Mega Man 3 (NES) 3: Odin Sphere (PS2)
4: Bioshock: Infinite (PS3)
5: Skies of Arcadia (Dreamcast)
6: Valkyria Chronicles (PS3)
7: Civilization II (PC)
8: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES) 9: Persona 5 Royal (Switch)
10: Hollow Knight (Switch)
11: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (PS3)
12: Secret of Mana (SNES) 13: Super Metroid (SNES)
14: Hades (Switch)
15: Mega Man X (SNES)
16: TMNT: Shredder’s Revenge (Switch)
17: Disco Elysium (PC)
18: Mega Man 9 (PS3) 19: Cyberpunk 2077 (PC)
20: Mirror’s Edge (PS3)
21: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PSX) 22: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
23: Super Mario Brothers 3 (NES)
24: EarthBound (SNES)
25: StarCraft (PC)
26: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2) 27: Super Mario Kart (SNES)
28: D&D: Shadow over Mystara (Arcade)
29: Batman: Arkham Asylum (PS3)
30: Sim City 2000 (PC)
I'm quite happy with my own list; I wouldn't trade it.
But if I drafted from other people's picks, my list would look something like this (no particular order)
1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo Switch)
1. Super Mario World (SNES)
13. Ghost of Tsushima (PS4)
3. Disco Elysium: The Final Cut (PC)
5. SimCity 2000 Special Edition (PC)
2. Tetris (NES)
5. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim [Special Edition] (PC)
8. Cyberpunk 2077 (PC)
12. Pokemon GO (Mobile)
4. Minecraft (PC)
4. Demon's Souls (PS3)
3. Stardew Valley (Android)
6. Alien: Isolation (PC)
1. Portal (PC)
1. EarthBound (SNES)
XCOM 2: (With War of Chosen DLC)
A refined version of XCOM: Enemy Unknown (Firaxis 2012) with an updated campaign.
Also a set of hero NPCs that seem to learn from previous encounters (echos of "Shadow of Mordor" Nemesis system)
Phoenix Point
The developer of XCOM 1994 looked at XCOM 2012 and said... hmm, that's not quite right, lemme give this a try. More simulation aspects to combat; i.e. if you miss a target, your shots keep going until they hit something. Interesting campaign where you uncover the mystery of the aliens.
Terra Invicta
Early release game, but from the developers of the "Long War" mod for XCom 2012. What if we did an XCOM, but didn't have the infantry tactical battles? (Eventually replaces with ship battles) Until then, instead of one resistance org, you have multiple shadowy orgs influencing nations around the world in order to take advantage of an alien threat to further their own faction's ends
Alpha Centauri
Civ2, but with a sci-fi setting. Tells a story through the campaign as various factions terraform a distant world. Design your own units, alter terrain. Game design unencumbered by historicity
Mount and Blade II: Bannerlord
Sid's Pirates, but instead of plundering trading vessels, your crew bonks people on the head until the peasants pay you rent. Other crews want this too, so you end up getting into medieval battles with hundreds of troops on horseback, with spear walls, and swinging your sword. From a first person perspective
Victoria 3
Industrialize all the things! Grand strategy of the 19th century. Build up a tech tree to take advantage of resources, while trying to appease various political factions in your nation whose interests are threatened by the increasing pace of change.
Europa Universalis IV
Colonize all the things! Grand strategy of the 14th through 17th centuries. Explore the world. Make new friends. Mug them. Become prosperous!
Fire Emblem: Three Houses
Tactics game, storyline from 3 primary perspectives. Your army is made up of a set individual NPCs with unique talents and backstories. Level them up and guide their development. Get to know them. Oh, and they can permanently die. Have fun!
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
Adaptation of Pathfinder Adventure Path. Deep story, engaging companions, challenging battles, well thought out fantasy world.
Also a Heroes of Might and Magic campaign mode? What a cherry on top
Kerbal Space Program
Build your own rocket to visit parts of the solar system in order to learn science in order to build cooler rockets. Nifty physics engine based gameplay.
Prey
Perhaps the most refined version of Deus Ex/Bioshock/Metroid immersive sim. Explore a creepy space station and figure out what the heck is going on
Into the Breach
Chess-like rogue-like strategy game, themed with mecha defending the last vestiges of humanity from kaiju.
Spelunky
Deceptively deep rogue-like platformer. Levels procedurally generated so they're new every time. Requires very precise, thoughtful movement, and has a 2d physics engine that can result in chaotic outcomes. Also every floor has a timer.
I also went and redacted this reply to Sluggah’s Batman: Arkham Asylum pick. Truly an awesome set of five titles to bring me back to gaming.
Also, wanted to close the loop on the whole “war room” thing. Total bust. They’d moved on by round 4. Surprised me too because I worked with a friend last time to make some picks and it went fine. Turns out wanting XCOM and not wanting Dark Souls were deal breakers.
I didn’t make a list per se, but if I had, my 15 picks fit fairly nicely within my personal top 30 (subject to change).
1: Chrono Trigger (SNES)
2: Mega Man 3 (NES) 3: Odin Sphere (PS2)
4: Bioshock: Infinite (PS3)
5: Skies of Arcadia (Dreamcast)
6: Valkyria Chronicles (PS3)
7: Civilization II (PC)
8: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES) 9: Persona 5 Royal (Switch)
10: Hollow Knight (Switch)
11: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (PS3)
12: Secret of Mana (SNES) 13: Super Metroid (SNES)
14: Hades (Switch)
15: Mega Man X (SNES)
16: TMNT: Shredder’s Revenge (Switch)
17: Disco Elysium (PC)
18: Mega Man 9 (PS3) 19: Cyberpunk 2077 (PC)
20: Mirror’s Edge (PS3)
21: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PSX) 22: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
23: Super Mario Brothers 3 (NES)
24: EarthBound (SNES)
25: StarCraft (PC)
26: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2) 27: Super Mario Kart (SNES)
28: D&D: Shadow over Mystara (Arcade)
29: Batman: Arkham Asylum (PS3)
30: Sim City 2000 (PC)
I've had Mirror's Edge on my games to play list since it came out and even picked it up during one of the end of the year Steam sales but still haven't gotten around to playing it. I came across it in my pre-draft prep and thought I'd better play it to see if it's worth drafting but life circumstances once again intervened and I found myself installing floors for the past two weeks instead.
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is the one PS1 game I missed out on that I most want to play. The PS4 version is only $20 in the PS store so I could play it now, theoretically. I'm really surprised that this game didn't get drafted, actually. I've seen this cited as people's favorite game several times.
Disco Elysium may as well have been designed specifically for me with its existential subject matter, detective narrative, emphasis on branching dialog and player choices, and that gorgeous art style. And yet it taunts me with only an hour or so of play time from my games library. I think maybe what stands in the way of playing this one is that every time I look at it I just get inspired to work on one of my own projects instead.
Oh and another one that I forgot to mention that I thought @pdxKingsFan may have been alluding to is Planescape: Torment. It's at least superficially similar to Fallout 1 and 2 visually and is supposed to have a really interesting story. I'd still like to play that at some point. (EDIT: It turns out it shares a developer with Fallout 1 and 2 so I really should play that game).
OK, we've still got two rankings outstanding and then we can move on to the voting stage... @SLAB @Turgenev or @macadocious
Full disclosure: There is currently a tie for 4th/5th place, which is the cutoff for a first-round bye. In the event of any ties, I will determine positioning by coin flip, even for bye position.
8. Skate 3 (Xbox 360)
THPS 2 and 4 are my favorites of that series but Skate really upped the ante with the trick sticks and realism. Hard time picking which one but I do think Skate 3 is the most feature packed. The lack of features actually made some of the OG Skate pretty cool though - just hitting some huge insane gaps and having to actually stick a clean landing. So awesome.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 is the skating game that I played a lot of and I loved that game. Kindof like playing NBA2K though, I ultimately would rather be outside doing the real thing even if I was never very good at it.
12. Red Baron (PC)
Hard time choosing between Dynamix flight sims. I think that Aces of the Pacific was my favorite, but Red Baron could be played online through the Imagination Network in the early through mid-90s and was so much fun. Probably the most fun I would have on a dial up modem. I loved aerial combat games, from X-Wing and Tie Fighter to these. Especially when you could turn off enough simulation to make them fun but leave on enough that it wasn't just an arcade game.
So in the course of this draft I was gifted an Oculus (Meta) Quest VR headset and then (foolishly?) bought a used PS VR2 a week later cause people are unloading them pretty cheap and they have PC support now. Star Wars Squadrons with VR support happened to be on sale for less than $5 on Steam so my next goal is to track down the best VR equivalent of Red Baron... so I can play it for all of an hour most likely and then get too busy again. But oh what an hour that will be!
14. Fallout 2 (PC)
The first two Fallouts were my favorite. Don't blame @hrdboild for taking the original but F2 was infinitely bigger. If this is some desert island thing, I'll take the extra options. Ok, confession time: I never beat it. I beat the first. So that's also why.
It mostly comes down to the story for me. I feel that Fallout 1's story has a perfect beginning and a perfect ending. Also I like that the water chip quest has a time limit so there's real stakes and tension watching those days rapidly tick down as you hike on foot through the wasteland. And really there's just no substitute for experiencing a fictional game world for the first time. Fallout 2 is great though and fixes some of the most annoying bugs related to NPC pathfinding and friendly fire (do not give your companions automatic weapons in Fallout 1! They will kill you!). And I liked the additions of the Enclave and the NCR.
15. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox)
I really don't understand how this one did not get picked. Classic BioWare RPG with an awesome Star Wars story. The one Star Wars game I'd put up against Tie Fighter.
I tried to get into this game and just got bogged down with fetch quests trying to get off the first planet and gave up. I did play a ton of Star Wars: The Old Republic though and really enjoyed finishing all 8 of the character class storylines, especially the Smuggler and the Imperial Agent. I would play a full game just utilizing the cover mechanics that the ranged classes had in the original game. Bioware mostly abandoned that mechanic to focus on the Jedi classes in the expansion content and I gradually lost interest.
If I picked one game from each participant's list.
Metal Gear Solid
Dwarf Fortress
NBA Street Vol. 2
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Resident Evil 2
SimCity 2000
Super Metroid
Disco Elysium
Quake
Diablo II
Myst
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 is the skating game that I played a lot of and I loved that game. Kindof like playing NBA2K though, I ultimately would rather be outside doing the real thing even if I was never very good at it.
THPS 2 came out during my travel job on Dreamcast and I tended to bring the console with me on trips to have something to do (also because I was hoarding my per diem money to buy my dream car lol). Best soundtrack and probably the most fun although 4 ditched the clock and made the levels more open world. I played the heck out of 1 & 2 in 2020 around Christmas time. They just dropped 3 and 4 but seems like 4 has the old clock rules
It mostly comes down to the story for me. I feel that Fallout 1's story has a perfect beginning and a perfect ending. Also I like that the water chip quest has a time limit so there's real stakes and tension watching those days rapidly tick down as you hike on foot through the wasteland. And really there's just no substitute for experiencing a fictional game world for the first time. Fallout 2 is great though and fixes some of the most annoying bugs related to NPC pathfinding and friendly fire (do not give your companions automatic weapons in Fallout 1! They will kill you!). And I liked the additions of the Enclave and the NCR.
I tried to get into this game and just got bogged down with fetch quests trying to get off the first planet and gave up. I did play a ton of Star Wars: The Old Republic though and really enjoyed finishing all 8 of the character class storylines, especially the Smuggler and the Imperial Agent. I would play a full game just utilizing the cover mechanics that the ranged classes had in the original game. Bioware mostly abandoned that mechanic to focus on the Jedi classes in the expansion content and I gradually lost interest.
I might be trying to use this draft to reach 500 posts. ...I still have less than 500 posts.
With all the great arcade style sports games drafted, I will throw in one I was considering drafting.
Neo Turf Masters. $8 port available on PS4 and Switch under the alternate title Big Tournament Golf. Neo Turf Masters has S tier presentation. The player will hear the same lines of dialogue and the same bits of music over and over again. It never gets old and is hypnotic. The sounds of the ball going in the cup, and lines like "on the green" and "this is Nancy's report", are classic. The gameplay is very good. It has the strategy a golf game should have. Learning how to approach holes and how to use your character is crucial.
If I picked one game from each participant's list.
Metal Gear Solid
Dwarf Fortress
NBA Street Vol. 2
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Resident Evil 2
SimCity 2000
Super Metroid
Disco Elysium
Quake
Diablo II
Myst
1: AC IV: Black Flag (hrdboild)
2: Baldur’s Gate 3 (Insomniac)
3: Stardew Valley (Turgenev/mac)
4: Batman: Arkham Asylum (Sluggah)
5: Secret of Mana (SLAB)
6: SimCity 2000 (Warhawk)
7: Earthbound (white chocolate)
8: Zelda: ALttP (Padrino)
9: TMNT: The Arcade Game (Spike)
10: Pokemon Emerald (Tetsu)
11: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (Cap)
1: Hrdboild
Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag
- Lots of good choices here, and I’m tempted to take one of the two with which I’ve already toiled away many adolescent hours in Rollercoaster Tycoon and TIE Fighter (although technically, I more watched my friend fight rebel scum for the glory of the empire as I shouted encouragement like an overzealous side-seat flyer), or even take a spin with a super cool title I have less or even no experience: Deus Ex, Fallout, Interstate ‘76. But taking the one I actually own, stopped playing after an hour because I got distracted by something so important I can’t remember what it was, and just never came back to game, but by all accounts is otherworldly awesome.
PS; I HAVE clawed and scratched my way through both discs of Xenogears and there is no amount of desert island bananas you could offer me to do that again.
2: Insomniacal King
Baldur’s Gate 3
- As much as I’d love to add a Civ game, with Civ IV being the only member of the franchise to be taken, I’m going with the whole reason I ever got that stupid “war room council” together in the first place - to give me an excuse to draft Baldur’s Gate 3 despite having never played it myself. Fitting, Insomiac’s roster is filled with seemingly awesome games I’ve never experienced.
3: Turgenev/macadocious
Stardew Valley
- The roster of the two-headed monster team is sneaky good with a bunch of deliriously fun titles including Vice City, DK Country, NBA Jam, Overcooked 2, Bonk’s Adventure, and the only post-US trilogy FF title that gives me any kind of interest, IX. But an endlessly chill and repayable nostalgia blanket is the perfect choice for a desert island.
4: Sluggah
Batman: Arkham Asylum
- Really tough call here. Ghost of Tsushima is high on my wishlist. Enjoyed my time with Infamous and Ninja Gaiden. Could be down to try the newer StarCraft given my affection for the first one. But when given the choice, always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman.
Then be Batman.
5: SLAB
Secret of Mana
- To steal SLAB’s line, The Last of Us, FFVI, Red Dead Redemption, Simpson’s Arcade, and Undertale are all S-Tier picks.
But my god do I love Secret of Mana. I could grind for hours in the Forest of Seasons just because I love that silly little concept so much. Everything about that game is a bunch of silly little concepts strung together that work so weirdly perfectly.
6: Warhawk
Sim City 2000
- I probably should take MechWarrior just as an homage to Warhawk. And I do love me some Bioshock even if it’s the dungy ocean depths rather than soaring blue skies. But the graphics, design, and gameplay of Sim City 2000 still hits the dopamine sweet spot more than 30 years later.
7: Whitechocolate
EarthBound
- Boom, easy. EarthBound freaking PSI Rocks. That said, I do admire how the rest of whitechocolate’s roster comes together. I’ve heard great things about Kenshi, Furi, and Demon’s Souls even if I’m still too scared to play it.
8: Padrino
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
- It shouldn’t be this hard to pick one of my top 10 favorite games, but damn if Padrino’s roster doesn’t make this a challenge. Disco Elysium is way rad. Witcher 3 is a legend. I am desperate to play Control and No Man’s Sky. I love the OG Castlevania, and I was ready to declare Xenoblade among my favorite games after the first 20 minutes. But I was two picks away from having my favorite SNES games together, and I’m still a little bitter about that.
9: Spike
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Arcade Game
- Write-up to follow
10: Tetsujin
Pokemon Emerald
- Hello, my not-real-name is Lowen, and I am a Zelda fan who doesn’t LOVE Breath of the Wild.
I like it, but I don’t love it. I want to love it and it’s about half the game I wish it would be.
Love the open world exploration - running, horse-riding, gliding, and rock-climbing to freely traverse the wilds and changing weather to discover new areas and secret treasures. Love the elemental true-to-life interactions system along with the stripped down back-to-basics approach of the overall mechanics echoing the original NES title. Love how Hyrule Castle is both the final dungeon AND a place you can spelunk for valuables and supplies well before the endgame. Love the Island Challenge and several of the Sheikah Shrine puzzles - both in finding the Shrines and once inside the them. Love the nods to the franchise including: a post-apocalyptic Ocarina of Time Castletown, a seemingly Twilight Princess-inspired Kakariko as a hidden ninja village, Lurelin as a stand-in for Outset Island in Windwaker, and the Great Plateau with the ruined Temple of Time might be my favorite tutorial level this side of Mega Man X. Love the return of Lynel’s as ultimate throwback badass “normal” enemies. Love that the story explores what I’d always wondered about games with “prophecies” why don’t they take it super seriously and go for broke to prevent the cataclysm they know is coming. Even love the weapon degrading system (just wish there was a way to repair all your weapons).
But I want there to be a reason for me to explore. The Shadow of Colossus approach of a barren Apocalyptic landscape that allows me to craft my own stories is fine; but hide me a little more tangible stuff along the way. Give me some items and treasure to find that actually impact the gameplay. I should not respond to solving a tricky puzzle with “Ugh, it’s just another Shrine.” Give me epic memorably creative dungeons and winding twisting caves to explore as has always been Miyamoto’s original dream for the franchise. Give me boss fights that break the mold instead of downsizing them to watered down Ganon variants. And BotW Lost Woods can burn in a fire.
Also, I only got a couple hours into Tears of the Kingdom before I realized a combination of adult responsibilities and joy-con drift were going to make the building mechanic impossible for me to master.
But I do enjoy an occasional run of Pokemon. I’ll happily add that as a change-of-pace pick.
Oh, and for as much crap as we give Spike for the “writte-up-to-follow” line, I’ve been waiting for the Metroid Dread write-up for a month. Maybe Tetsu’s endorsement could have inspired me to take another game I’ve never played. Guess we’ll never know.
11: Captain Factorial
The Legend of Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
- I wish I could quit you. Cap’s nostalgic adventure through the golden age of the NES drudged up some faded memories for me. The Final Fantasy franchise has drifted far away from my interests ever since VII, but how I loved those first 3 released in the U.S. especially the first one - even if what I remember of their overall stories has become rather Swiss-cheesed by my middle-aged brain.
Still, before Mega Man 3, Super Mario Brothers 3, Final Fantasy, and TMNT III: The Manhattan Project, no game dominated my time and imagination in elementary school more than Zelda 2.
I did give a hard look at Out of the Park Baseball, but never played it, not really a stats guy, and I wish there was one for football.