Terry being traded to Houston
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ParniValjak
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Trade exceptions cannot be combined with other players so that theory is out the door!
I say good riddance. Never liked getting Terry and wanted him gone as soon as he tee-ed off at the franchise (Boogie and Rudy). Pitty it needed to take two 2nd round draft picks to do it but it gives us breathing room.
KingsCitizen
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I wrote "Kings can actually get the 14M of Josh Smith from Detroit without releasing anyone from the roster".
Which part of that statement said that were combining any player to the traded player exception?
randymoss1881
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It's stupid cause we'd have to give up Ben or Stauskas. Then consider that Atlanta/Houston/LA/NY have cap to sign him next year and it becomes mind boggling.
You can argue whether Gee is better player than Omri. I personally don't think so, as while Gee is maybe more athletic and better defender (I'm not sure even those assumptions are correct, but I'm certainly not neutral here), but he is bad 3p shooter, and while Casspi's handles and passing abilities are not great they're still better than those of Gee, and Omri's also better rebounder.
But all this would be relevant given both of them available for same price... But retaining Gee for $3.25 M over Casspi for vet. min. (~$1.1 M) would be just plain mistake
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KingMilz
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What do you mean is maybe more athletic and a better defender he a 100% is, I'm taking Gee over any SF we have not named Rudy. Alonzo Gee was the starting SF/meaningful rotation player on the same squad Casspi averaged less playing time/quit on eventually from the 2011-2012 to 2012-2013 (year Omri gave up again) on the Cavs squads. Cleveland clearly thought Gee was a better player since it was between him and Casspi for the SF spot as he would be here.
The Cavs at that time were in desperate need of floor spacing as well and yet still choose to go with Gee over Casspi.
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ParniValjak
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This part of your post
Mute point anyway but your post implies that if we combine the room created with the trade along with the 7.2 million it gets a player with Rondo's salary...clearly implying that we combine the two which cannot be done. Trade exception we can trade for a player whose salary is no greater than $7.2 million.
It was Byron Scott decision.I think Scott was not for Casspi trade from the beggining, but administration asked him to give to the try some time... He did... but when Casspi failed (partially because he is just not good enoungh to be strarter ... but nether Gee is..., partially because he was playing through injury) he decided to put Casspi in doghouse (I think he wanted it from the start) and never looked back. And he turned to the only SF left in the team which had ok series of games.
Now. Gee is very bad shooter, has no handles at all and makes huge amount of bad decisions but for some unclear reason Scott still liked him and gave him starting job even that next year he was plain bad in all parameters including defence and averaged 10.3 for 31 min per game but on only 41% FG and 31.5% 3p. and only 3.9 reb. And Cavs were just awfull team.
The minute Scott was out of Cavs - Gee was out of rotation (4 ppg, 2.3 rpg)
Last year Casspi played for much stronger team that Cavs and while he certainly wasn't great his 6.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg are clearly better.
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KingMilz
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They shot identical %'s from 2pt and 3pt range in there time in Cleveland despite Gee going up against better players since he was a starter and taking more shots, that Houston system was built for Casspi and yet he found himself out of the rotation eventually as well.
If two players are crap but NBA standards I want the more athletic/non complaining one end of the day
You should see them playing more. Gee's shot is just slow on release and he has bad technics... Omri's style is not great but much better, release much much quicker, and you should see that he's shoting many 3p (~40% of all shots) while Gee's only ~25% and it's for the reason - he understand that he can't make shot if it's not 100% open
Jkbiker
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Yep I saw that too this morning. One less body on the roster and another several million of room under the luxury limit
Probably that Tyler guy will be next along with Gee and whomever else we may get from Houston
So if you include Moreland and Casspi as for sure then we are down to 12 roster spots
Sim could always make the 15th, So we have room now to manuver,trade or sign
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Tetsujin
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I could see us at least bringing Tyler into training camp. At one point, long long ago, he was among the higher ranked prospects in the country (we're talking high school days) but then plummeted down the charts when he decided to playing abroad in Japan of all places rather than go to a university despite being incredibly raw and immature. It's pretty much been all downhill from there for the guy but he's still only 23 years old, capable of playing spot minutes at the five (which we'll need if JT gets moved) and might still possess the physical tools to be a rotation guy in the league if he got his head on straight.
In other words, he fits the mold of PDA's patented 15th roster spot wildcard player crush (Royce White/Terrence Williams(?)/even Omri or Eric Moreland), a guy who has the physical skills but just can't ever get out of his own way enough to make it in the league.
bajaden
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Interesting that they waived Ellington. His salary, according to every site I go to, is guaranteed. So were still responsible for his 2.5/2.7 mil salary until someone picks him up and signs him. However, that leaves us with only 12 guaranteed contracts if I have my dollar signs all in a row. I believe the only player on an unguarnateed contract that has an automatic ticket into the regular season is Moreland. Not saying he couldn't totally screw it up at training camp and the exhibition season, but its unlikely. We now have enough room under the hard cap where we could use our trade exception. However, that wouldn't work in any attempt to acquire Josh Smith. As pointed out, you can split up the trade exception, but you can't combine it.
One has to believe, well, you don't have to believe, but it would appear that this current activity is a prequel to a bigger deal. I doubt that they're clearing space just for the sake of clearing space. Not that saving a few extra bucks for the beer kitty isn't important, I just don't think that's at the top of the priority list. I doubt that Rondo is in the picture, however, next seasons unrestricted freeagent list is going to be a very good one, and while you'd hate to see whomever you trade for just walk away, the upside is that it leaves you a player in a talent rich freeagent market. Of course there are no guarantee's there, but its better to be a player with a lot of money, than to be a window shopper. One thing is for sure. The Kings are going to be an entirely different team this coming season. Doesn't mean that they'll be a better team, but for a while at least, they'll be more interesting. More thoughts on that after the roster is set.
By the way, I found it interesting, and amusing that anyone would actually argue over Casspi and Gee. Does anyone really think that the future success of the Kings, will in any way depend on either of them? Just seems like a lot of wasted energy to me. But hey, enjoy!
One has to believe, well, you don't have to believe, but it would appear that this current activity is a prequel to a bigger deal. I doubt that they're clearing space just for the sake of clearing space. Not that saving a few extra bucks for the beer kitty isn't important, I just don't think that's at the top of the priority list. I doubt that Rondo is in the picture, however, next seasons unrestricted freeagent list is going to be a very good one, and while you'd hate to see whomever you trade for just walk away, the upside is that it leaves you a player in a talent rich freeagent market. Of course there are no guarantee's there, but its better to be a player with a lot of money, than to be a window shopper. One thing is for sure. The Kings are going to be an entirely different team this coming season. Doesn't mean that they'll be a better team, but for a while at least, they'll be more interesting. More thoughts on that after the roster is set.
By the way, I found it interesting, and amusing that anyone would actually argue over Casspi and Gee. Does anyone really think that the future success of the Kings, will in any way depend on either of them? Just seems like a lot of wasted energy to me. But hey, enjoy!
Chubbs
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It's a money issue. Casspi is a min salary. Therefore he is "better" than Gee, when you consider both are just roster filler and must be as cheap as possible, you go for the cheaper one, who brings what you need to the table, in this case 3 point shooting and defense, granted at a low level of competency.
If casspi complains, they can just cut him/waive him/buy him out/suspend him, whatever. He's not making enough to complain, and that's the Bottomline. He has no leverage to complain and should realize this is his last chance. I really don't think he'll say anything. Rudy is clearly better. Last time around he was battling with donte Greene, who was not clearly better than casspi. Casspi was right. Anyone heard from donte lately? Neither ever should have been nba starters.
This is assuming Williams won't be around. I happen to prefer casspi to Williams at their salaries. PDA is thinking the same thing I'd imagine, and casspi seems clearly A better value vs Williams.
Ultimately, it really doesn't matter, neither Gee nor Casspi are in the kings long term plans nor should they be. But I think in the short term they are very much planning to trade Derrick Williams. The guy doesn't even stand out in summer league. It's pitiful a 4th year player was even there. Not sure who would want him. He's overpaid without a position. Casspi has more value to this team than Williams.
) and re-route that guy to Detroit along with Thompson or preferably Derrick Williams.
No, we sent the picks. We are saving nearly $6M by sending away Terry and getting freely-waivable contracts back. That's a pretty major savings so we had to give up something to get it.
I'm astounded someone took Terry. Sure, he's an expiring, but he's essentially a dead-weight contract. Really don't think he has much left in the tank, even for a contender.
I wish we would have grabbed Cisco back in that deal. While I liked that he got to play on a good team last year and was a solid contributor, he'd be the guy to be the "papa" for the young guys and the vet leadership for the team
I agree. I prefer to have Cisco than Casspi.
Cisco got hurt in the match today between Finland and the Dominican Republic.
What's more surprising is that he was actually injured during the game.
Cisco got hurt in the match today between Finland and the Dominican Republic.
Don't ever change Cisco Kid.
RichieInRocklin
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In the August 31 issue of the Houston Chronicle, regarding the Jason Terry trade, it stated:
"The deal will take several weeks to complete and will include additional non-guaranteed contracts, likely either Josh Powell, Scotty Hopson or both
I really hope when this settles out, that a bigger trade will be made, instead of just adding Casspi, etal., to the roster.
"The deal will take several weeks to complete and will include additional non-guaranteed contracts, likely either Josh Powell, Scotty Hopson or both
I really hope when this settles out, that a bigger trade will be made, instead of just adding Casspi, etal., to the roster.
ockingsfan
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When will this trade be fianlized?
The non-guaranteed contracts from Houston are tradable as of September 15th.
Is PDA waiting for another deal to go down first or at the same time? What's the holdup?
The non-guaranteed contracts from Houston are tradable as of September 15th.
Is PDA waiting for another deal to go down first or at the same time? What's the holdup?
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