Terrence Williams should be our SF.

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Williams has the size the quickness and strength he can stretch the floor and is a good ball handler with above average passing skills and court vision. Why haven't we signed this guy already. I could like this starting lineup

thomas
Evans
Williams
Robinson
Cousins

wow thats a very young starting lineup. Bench of Jimmer, Thorton, Salmons, Garcia, Outlaw, Honeycutt, JT/Anderson, Hayes, Whiteside. hmmm pretty young bench too:confused: yep we need a vet.
 
I'd like to see him at the 2 with something like:

Tyreke - IT, Jimmer
Williams - Thornton, Jimmer
Salmons - Cisco, Honeycutt
Robinson - JT, Hayes, Outlaw
Cousins - JT, Whiteside

Ultimately Id prefer trading Cisco, Outlaw and Hayes.. and amnestying Salmons. I'd trade IT for something while his value is high too (sorry don't think he's our long term answer at PG).

Sign Ryan Anderson, develop Robinson towards swing 3-4... Develop Jimmer (think him and Thornton could be our bombers off the bench), and keep a close eye on Honeycutt and Whitesides do or die value.

so eventually look like:

Tyreke - Jimmer, Williams
Williams - Thornton, Jimmer
Robinson - (trade target), Outlaw, Honeycutt
Anderson - Robinson, JT, Hayes, Outlaw
Cousins - JT, Hayes, Whiteside

Hmm, I'm kinda doubting MT would be happy with off the bench and TRob could fill the 3 tho... and worried Tyreke may slow things down too much too. My head hurts. :eek:
 
VF21 said:
I don't see a typo.
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I think the typo was "SF" when it should have been "SG".

If Tyreke (221 lbs, 6'11.25" wingspan, 8'8" standing reach) is obviously too small to be an effective SF, I don't see how Williams (213 lbs, 6'9" wingspan, 8'7.5" standing reach) is perfect size. The top of Williams' head is an inch higher, but outside of that he's not bigger than Tyreke. I'm tired of playing small at the wing.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I think the typo was "SF" when it should have been "SG".

If Tyreke (221 lbs, 6'11.25" wingspan, 8'8" standing reach) is obviously too small to be an effective SF, I don't see how Williams (213 lbs, 6'9" wingspan, 8'7.5" standing reach) is perfect size. The top of Williams' head is an inch higher, but outside of that he's not bigger than Tyreke. I'm tired of playing small at the wing.
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I see your point but Tyreke is simply not a SF and if forced to play there, will sulk his way off the team and I don't blame him. TWill has more balanced skills and would probably be better than most of our 6'6" options. I am ready to scream at the limitations put on this team as far as player movement goes. Damn the lack of money. I am running out of patience of having to pray we get a decent player at cut rate and not being able to even consider a player who wants over $10 mil. In a way, part of TWill's attraction is that we have earned a cetain amount of allegiance by finding him a home whee he was wanted and he might not demand obscene amounts of money. That's another subject called "I hate the Maloofs" but for me it ruins a lot of this discussion.

On the side, can someone run down the hard cap rules? If it seems like a high jacking of the thread, send it to me in a PM. I have some thoughts about it if it is what I think it is.
 
cuad said:
If Salmons wasn't here, it would be a no-brainer, but Salmons is onboard and so are the Maloofs.
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But maybe only as a guy coming off the bench where he can have his hands on the ball. Salmons said he doesn't feel comfortable without being able to handle the ball. I think this is why he sucks as a SF and can look decent as a 2nd string PG. Salmons as PG and Jimmer as SG is not the worst second string idea in the world.
 
Well with alot of people wanting AI from philly. They are the exact same size. So whats the problem. Also alot of ppl wanted Gilcrest he is 6'5 3/4 wo shoes. so he is ____ that much taller than Williams. Salmons is same size.
 
Entity said:
Well with alot of people wanting AI from philly. They are the exact same size. So whats the problem. Also alot of ppl wanted Gilcrest he is 6'5 3/4 wo shoes. so he is ____ that much taller than Williams. Salmons is same size.
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Size does not equal skill. Ask any woman. Moving on ...........................................
 
D13 said:
so eventually look like:

Tyreke - Jimmer, Williams
Williams - Thornton, Jimmer
Robinson - (trade target), Outlaw, Honeycutt
Anderson - Robinson, JT, Hayes, Outlaw
Cousins - JT, Hayes, Whiteside

Hmm, I'm kinda doubting MT would be happy with off the bench and TRob could fill the 3 tho... and worried Tyreke may slow things down too much too. My head hurts. :eek:
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I like this.

One of the best combination the Kings could come-up to compete with the elites.
 
Entity said:
Williams has the size the quickness and strength he can stretch the floor and is a good ball handler with above average passing skills and court vision. Why haven't we signed this guy already. I could like this starting lineup

thomas
Evans
Williams
Robinson
Cousins

wow thats a very young starting lineup. Bench of Jimmer, Thorton, Salmons, Garcia, Outlaw, Honeycutt, JT/Anderson, Hayes, Whiteside. hmmm pretty young bench too:confused: yep we need a vet.
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smart would salivate the size of that line-up. we will see a lineup with 3 guards for most of the game than any other type of combo, smart just hates size and defense, he loves speed and scoring.
 
Entity said:
Well with alot of people wanting AI from philly. They are the exact same size. So whats the problem. Also alot of ppl wanted Gilcrest he is 6'5 3/4 wo shoes. so he is ____ that much taller than Williams. Salmons is same size.
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Height Without Shoes
Williams - 6'5"
Salmons - 6'5.5"
Gilchrest - 6'5.75"
Iguodala - 6'5.75"

Height With Shoes
Williams - 6'6.25"
Iguodala - 6'6.75"
Salmons - 6'7"
Gilchrest - 6'7.5"

Wingspan
Williams - 6'9"
Salmons - 6'10.25"
Iguodala - 6'11"
Gilchrest - 7'0"

Standing Reach
Williams - 8'7.5"
Salmons - 8'8"
Gilchrest - 8'8.5"
Iguodala - 8'9.5"

You aren't even right about one measurement. He is shorter in height and length than all 3 of the players you named on every single category. This is why we think he is undersized at SF. He is a SG who can play some SF not the other way around. I would throw Salmons in that category as well yet he is still taller and longer in every single category.
 
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twslam07 said:
Height Without Shoes
Williams - 6'5"
Salmons - 6'5.5"
Gilchrest - 6'5.75"
Iguodala - 6'5.75"

Height With Shoes
Williams - 6'6.25"
Iguodala - 6'6.75"
Salmons - 6'7"
Gilchrest - 6'7.5"

Wingspan
Williams - 6'9"
Salmons - 6'10.25"
Iguodala - 6'11"
Gilchrest - 7'0"

Standing Reach
Williams - 8'7.5"
Salmons - 8'8"
Gilchrest - 8'8.5"
Iguodala - 8'9.5"

You aren't even right about one measurement. He is shorter in height and length than all 3 of the players you named on every single category. This is why we think he is undersized at SF. He is a SG who can play some SF not the other way around. I would throw Salmons in that category as well yet he is still taller and longer in every single category.
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Only think I pulled from that is that MKG wears some really big shoes.
 
D13 said:
Tyreke - Jimmer, Williams
Williams - Thornton, Jimmer
Robinson - (trade target), Outlaw, Honeycutt
Anderson - Robinson, JT, Hayes, Outlaw
Cousins - JT, Hayes, Whiteside
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I think this would be a fine lineup. Shooting being the weakness.
 
I would also like to challenge some ppl to one time pull out a ruler and reall look at that half inch and that one inch mark. And say yep that's the difference maker lol. If that guy is guarding I can shoot over him. Man if he had a Afro I couldn't hit crap.
 
Entity said:
I would also like to challenge some ppl to one time pull out a ruler and reall look at that half inch and that one inch mark. And say yep that's the difference maker lol. If that guy is guarding I can shoot over him. Man if he had a Afro I couldn't hit crap.
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Unfortunately this challenge seems to ignore the fact that for most people another inch in height also means a few more pounds of muscle that the body can carry with losing speed or agility, a few more inch of arm length, and a few more power to jump higher. If Lebron was 6'5" I don't think he can bully people the way does now. If Demarcus was 6'8" he will just be another Sean May. The problem does not rely on shooting over people but more on defending those guys taller than you.
 
Well see you went off deep end. Your comparisons are 4 and 5 inches. I said 1/2 to 1 inch. Most defense is played while the ball is being dribbled if a guy is standing in front of me that's 6'6 and next trip a guy is standing in front of me that's 6'7. It's not gonna make a difference peja was 6'10 and A SF I'd venture to say if guarding Rudy gay Williams has better chance than peja.
 
As far as height meaning muscle I'd take Williams in a strength test over tashaun prince and arrest over spencer hawes
 
Entity said:
Well see you went off deep end. Your comparisons are 4 and 5 inches. I said 1/2 to 1 inch. Most defense is played while the ball is being dribbled if a guy is standing in front of me that's 6'6 and next trip a guy is standing in front of me that's 6'7. It's not gonna make a difference peja was 6'10 and A SF I'd venture to say if guarding Rudy gay Williams has better chance than peja.
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Well your counter here was comparing a quick fox(TWill) to a lazy dog with a broken back(Peja), an irrelevant sense. If TWill will guard Gay, Gay will shoot jumpers and dunk over him all day. If Peja is guarding gay, Gay will run around Peja all day. Alley oops, dunks, and a quick jump shot may not require a dribble at all. There goes your case for defense on dribbling.
 
Quite funny to me how we hear the Reke is NAPG argument all the time, yet both here and on the other main Kings board, I'm seeing a number of fans already wanting to play either TRob or Anderson out of position at SF.

Neither is a SF. Can TRob maybe down the road develop his handle and outside shooting enough to play there? Maybe. But I find it ridiculous how we're constantly hear Reke is NAPG, yet some are all for playing two PF's at SF. SMH.

As for TWill, Smart rarely played him at SF. On just a handful of occasions for 2nd half spurts we saw Reke at the 2 and TWill at the 3, but it was rare and nothing Smart did regularly even when he had ample opportunities to do so. In fact, when it was successful in rare stretches, Smart actually went away from it towards the end of the season and we didn't see it at all the last few weeks. There's a bit of a problem with the whole play TWill at SF crowd. Smart doesn't appear to consider him a SF and instead of trying an obvious Reke/Twill wing combo at some point when MT went down, we saw a Reke/Outlaw wing combo. TWill played far more guard than anything else. So how about holding off on recommending TWill play SF, when Smart deosn't think he is one, hold off on playing TRob at SF when he's a PF, and hold off on playing Anderson at SF, when he's a slow footed PF.
 
Honestly I'd rather see many ppl over twill at SF. BUT GIVEN our options salmons and Garcia. Yes I'd rather Williams play SF. I get these arguments for players we don't have. This is the only guy we have a chance of signing. I mean who else on this team would ANY of you naysayers advocate as our SF given our current choices?
 
Entity said:
Honestly I'd rather see many ppl over twill at SF. BUT GIVEN our options salmons and Garcia. Yes I'd rather Williams play SF. I get these arguments for players we don't have. This is the only guy we have a chance of signing. I mean who else on this team would ANY of you naysayers advocate as our SF given our current choices?
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My issue isn't whether or not I think TWill can play SF, where I actually think he's clearly better than any option we currently have, but rather Smart doesn't appear to think he's a SF, at all, but more of a 2 who can handle and create. If our coach doesn't think TWill is a SF, then why do so many think we'll resign him and put him at SF? Not sure if you're referring to me as a naysayer, but my opinion has nothing to do with if I think TWill can have success as a SF.
 
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