Team USA WC 15-man roster... (merged)
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Gotta stick up for Hinrich...
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bulls.asp?id=216811
So, what about Hinrich getting cut again?
Even without that blurb or Arenas not being cut, just like before, I'd fully expect Hinrich to stay on. As would many others. He's been consistently good all WBC.
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bulls.asp?id=216811
So, what about Hinrich getting cut again?
Even without that blurb or Arenas not being cut, just like before, I'd fully expect Hinrich to stay on. As would many others. He's been consistently good all WBC.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
I agree, BMiller. Bowen's style of defense will not be near as effective (allowed) in the International game. As long as Jamison can pull down some boards, as well as hit his shots, I'd rather have him on the team. Since Arenas is gone (offense), Bowen won't give you much offense to make up for that loss. Jamison will.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
You never have too much firepower from the wing, IMHO, especially if opponents are doing a good job of shutting down the post in a half court game. Also, Jamison is a far better rebounder. Actually, considering Bowen's style of defense and what will be allowed in the International game, I was quite surprised to see Bowen invited in the first place.
Jerryaki
Starter
maybe bowen was the locker room presence/vet type of guy. including bowen (although not through the exhibition), the wing offense includes joe johnson, hinrich, d-wade, jamison, and battier, and then the next crop of shooters in james, melo, and brad. that's a lot of shooting from the outside.
Prince I'm not sure was talked to by Colangelo. Also have to consider he probably wanted to rest during the summer.
Bowen himself, was invited because of his defense and team-play. Also a possible match-up with Manu Ginobili.
Watching the Spurs with some regularity over the last couple seasons, Bowen's defense isn't just the "hacking" or whatever, which I know what is meant by that or similar. Also having Duncan behind him helps. But, aside from that, he does have legit quickness, length, and concentration.
If you remember, the last US team seriously lacked outside shooting, which became a problem. I do agree with everyone's assessment that Bowen seems extraneous, especially given the fact that Coach K is getting everyone to play some defense, which goes a long way. We'll see what happens though, once they start playing some serious competition.
Elise10
Starter
I thought that he was asked, but declined to go
Dave McNulla
Bench
i'm kind of disappointed with the roster, even if bowen stays. it's not diverse enough. there is no post presense, no defensive c/pf, and the best pg is pretty inexperienced (although definitely good).
Elton Brand is a legit offensive post-presence. Dwight Howard isn't quite proven offensively yet in the post, but defensively he's pretty good. Both are great shotblockers and rebounders. Brand's post defense I honestly haven't thought about much or payed attention to a whole lot.
Bosh is thinner, but he hasn't really been used in the post all that much so far, mainly shooting jumpers. From what I've seen this past season, he's capable and consistent offensively in the post. He's a good rebounder and shotblocker also.
Also have to remember impact is a lot lesser in a situation like this because of minutes, the way the coaches want to do things, and the depth of the team. It's not like the NBA where guys like Bosh/Howard/Brand play 30-35+ minutes and are #1/top options on their teams. Not the case at all here.
There are no Ben Wallace's, Camby's, Rasheed's, KG's, Duncan's, Kurt Thomas', Shaq's, etc. Because they either said no to joining, are older now, or weren't even asked. Which reason or reasons go to the obvious, or that you know is why.
That's just the way it was with this USAB program. Part of it being development of the USAB program, as you notice there are a lot of younger players in the program, mixed with more experienced guys and veterans. As all 20+ players involved with the program are going to be available for use. Guys like Hinrich/Paul/Howard/Bosh/possibly Amare/LeBron/Melo/Wade, etc. are ultimately what the team is going to be built around. Of course you can pick out the main guys from the group.
Bring on the pools of nations for the USA. I think USA has a very good chance to win the WC.
Bosh is thinner, but he hasn't really been used in the post all that much so far, mainly shooting jumpers. From what I've seen this past season, he's capable and consistent offensively in the post. He's a good rebounder and shotblocker also.
Also have to remember impact is a lot lesser in a situation like this because of minutes, the way the coaches want to do things, and the depth of the team. It's not like the NBA where guys like Bosh/Howard/Brand play 30-35+ minutes and are #1/top options on their teams. Not the case at all here.
There are no Ben Wallace's, Camby's, Rasheed's, KG's, Duncan's, Kurt Thomas', Shaq's, etc. Because they either said no to joining, are older now, or weren't even asked. Which reason or reasons go to the obvious, or that you know is why.
That's just the way it was with this USAB program. Part of it being development of the USAB program, as you notice there are a lot of younger players in the program, mixed with more experienced guys and veterans. As all 20+ players involved with the program are going to be available for use. Guys like Hinrich/Paul/Howard/Bosh/possibly Amare/LeBron/Melo/Wade, etc. are ultimately what the team is going to be built around. Of course you can pick out the main guys from the group.
Bring on the pools of nations for the USA. I think USA has a very good chance to win the WC.
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vladetomiller
Bench
But that is the problem, when the USA team was a lock to win the WC and it was just a matter of by how many points. Now though the nba is bringing all the players here and it is supposed to be the best, because stern runs it as a business the players here dont have any real basketball skills and the athletic skills that they have are portrayed as basketball skills.
The game is very simple, put the ball in the hole and the longer you get it in from the more points you get (kinda). If our players cannot put the ball in from anywhere outside of 15 feet consistently then there is something fundamentally wrong. Bron and Wade might be all fun to watch on tv and stern wants to showcase them year after year in the playoffs but they get exposed in real basketball with refs not controlled by stern.
Rules are similar with respect to zone defense and if bron can score 30 ppg in that kind of a tough league why is he having trouble now.
amen to that!
As I said, this USAB program is a different situation than the 1990s teams. Everyone should know that, if they don't they're ignorant. Aside from myself explaining it, it's what has been explained by various people involved with the sport.
Oh, I'm not saying it's a lock yet. Why? Because I haven't seen the team against better teams more than once. I'll judge then whether I think it's a lock or not.
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R
Rome
Guest
I'm really excited to see Dwight Howard play next season. The guy is a monster and will be better than Shaq's prime in a few years.
Bowen final cut..
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/wbc2006/news/story?id=2551774
Bowen's the final cut. Oh well, was a good possibility anyways.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/wbc2006/news/story?id=2551774
Bowen's the final cut. Oh well, was a good possibility anyways.
Which is why he likely won't be used then. But had a chance for this years situation.
Glad to see that Shane F. Battier made the final cut; I still stand by the opinion that there aren't enough role players on that team.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
Agree. Too much ego on team USA for them to be truly a "team". When you have Melo, Lebron, Wade, and Johnson on a team, chemistry could be/become a problem. Also, who do you give the ball to in crunch time, all 4 want to have the ball in their hands. Battier is a good player and he would help any team. Does he remind anyone of Zidane (the legend from France who headbutted the Italian)?
Wade/LeBron/Johnson are unselfish players. Yes they go one-on-one sometimes, but it's been more the former than the latter from what I've seen. It simply reflects how they've played so far in the league.
I believe when who gets the last shot? was asked to Team USA in an article or interview, it came off as not being an issue. The coaches will decide that, of course, and from what has been said by players and coaches, in various interviews, they know it's a "team".
Based on what I've gathered, neither are really a concern.
I believe when who gets the last shot? was asked to Team USA in an article or interview, it came off as not being an issue. The coaches will decide that, of course, and from what has been said by players and coaches, in various interviews, they know it's a "team".
Based on what I've gathered, neither are really a concern.
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loopymitch
All-Star
vladetomiller
Bench
Why is the USAB program different now than when it was in 1990s and just because someone doesnt agree to your view point that doesnt mean they are ignorant, it might end up with you being the ignorant party.
The team of the 1990s had people who could score, meaning they knew how to put the ball in the hole from a distance. As i explained earlier that is the game of basketball, put the ball in the little ring with a net tied below it, though the net really doesnt matter it is for visual purposes to ensure that the ball did go through that little ring.
What has changed from 1990 to now is not that the other countries are trying harder than the US to get better players, NBA has ruined the game here. Basketball is not even the number one sport in Argentina and they beat the US team where nba players are the highest paid compared to the other two major sports. Stern for the sake getting tv ratings up has changed the game for worse.
I know the rest of the world has caught up.
Well, from what I've gathered, that's just how I view the Team USA program. We agree to disagree.
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