Tanking or rebuilding?

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Finally! An article I can agree with about this whole "tank" thing... and, not surprisingly, it kinda parallels what a few here have said.

In today's SB Nation NBA email, there's a link to an article about Adam Silver's view on whether or not the Sixers are tanking.

...On Saturday, Adam Silver said that he does not believe the Sixers are trying to tank. That means he's using my definition of tank, which is losing tactically (pulling healthy players, changing the gameplan to boost the chances of a loss), instead of rebuilding, which is making your roster horrible with the express purpose of getting a high draft pick. And yes, that does make me feel a little dirty.

I read the article and, of course, immediately thought of how many arguments we've had here about the whole tanking terminology.

Silver said this about the Sixers:

"You look at any business, you look at short-term results and long-term results," Silver said. "And if you told a business, if somebody told you a business was going to operate on a quarter-by-quarter [basis], you'd say, 'That's not the way to operate a business.' You'd say, 'You need a strategy. You need to look at the long-term.' And I think what this organization is doing is absolutely the right thing. What they're doing is planning for the future and building an organization from the ground level up."

"And so, if you look at what's happened here over the last several years, it's badly needed," he said. "Somebody needs a plan. Somebody needs a vision to win here. And I think that's what's happening."

Something more to think about, especially since I believe that quote could have been about the Kings, too.

Thoughts?
 
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Thoughts? I'm not sure the definitions of losing tactically and rebuilding are mutually exclusive. The Kings are rebuilding and in the process losing tactically. They are neither pulling healthy players nor making the roster horrible. Our roster is unbalanced but I don't think it's unbalanced for the sake of making it horrible. In turning the roster over it has remained unbalanced and I think that is primarily because of what they were working with starting out.

In terms of the part of somebody needs a plan. That applies and I sure hope they have one. Hopefully when the season starts next year, there will be more clarity on such plan whatever it may be.
 
The Kings don't need to tank. They can lose just fine on their own without the front office helping.

I can't think of any moves made this year that say "tanking" by any definition. The injuries were legit injuries. The defense is godawful because of roster construction and Maloofery.

The team just isn't built right yet. We need better defense in four roster spots to at least sniff the playoffs. When PDA starts getting those pieces, we'll know that the "tank" is over.
 
The Kings aren't rebuilding, they are building. The FO had a short term vision this offseason with really only a few weeks to evaluate and put together a plan.

We signed landry, which I am guessing was a character move and for a 6th man scoring option. Evans seemed like he would be on this team if it were at 8MM vs. 11. So the traded him for Grevias. Who in turn without finishers and with no defensive guards to put with him was terrible. They moved to fairly worthless 2nd rounders for Moute, and swung him for Williams. Williams is better at every single thing on the court except man defensive, that Moute. Then we swing the 4 for 3 trade which ridded us of two of our albatross and most though untradable contracts with Salmons and Hayes. We got back Gay who has played like a borderline all star.

In all of this, I don't think the FO expected IT to play as well as he has. They saw him as a 7-9 player on this team. His breakout year has provided some difficult choices moving forward. Is he a starting PG, if he is who plays next to him in the backcourt? If we can get a starting PG, can we sign him for a reasonable enough deal to make him our 6th man, when we sorta allocated that money to Landry already.

Finally we have Bmac. He has been awful. In watching him since day one I believe it is all mental. You don't have that sweet of stroke and be able to finish like he can, then clang all those bricks and generate stone hands like he has. I think that he is one of those players that if it clicks he could be a phenomenal player, i also think he could go the route of Nick Anderson who was so much in his own head he couldn't make a free throw and ended up leaving the laugh earlier than he should have.

As for where we are now. We made the decision to not have Jimmer a part of this team past this year early in the season. We cut him loose rightfully after we could not trade him. We have some traceable assets come draft time, and possible sign and trade with IT. We could easily move our pick, especially if top 5, for a top tier player in this league. The staff is doing the right thing by giving minutes to our developing players. No need to try and grind out wins working our big 3 38+ a game. People keep saying we will lose Cuz. Well he is signed for 4 more years, he's not going anywhere. And a good offseason will change what he is going through right now.
 
Silver said this about the Sixers:

Something more to think about, especially since I believe that quote could have been about the Kings, too.

Thoughts?

My thought is that it is abundantly clear what Sam Hinkie is doing in Philadelphia and nearly impossible to discern the strategy of Pete D'Allessandro.

Granted, they came into very different situations but comparing the two:

Hinkie looked at the roster and made the determination that the team's best player (and an all-star the previous season) wasn't good enough to build around and dealt Jrue Holiday to New Orleans for the draft rights to Nerlens Noel (who is essentially a lottery pick for next season given his long recovery time on his knee) and a first round pick in 2014 while using the team's own pick on Michael Carter Williams who has played far better than I had predicted.

He also traded away ending contracts in Spencer Hawes and Evan Turner (two players he had no intention of resigning) for other ending contracts (taking on more salary to reach the payroll floor) and a host of second round picks. Trading for draft picks, taking on no new salary, and constructing a roster that was guaranteed to lose (15 straight at last check) in a year where they have two lottery picks (and maybe two top 10 picks) for a deep draft.

Going into the offseason the Sixers will have a "core" of MCW, Thaddeus Young and Nerlens Noel with about $30 million in caproom, two lottery picks (their own top 5 pick, NO's 10-14 range pick) and 3 2nd
round picks to gamble with. THAT is a rebuild with tons of potential.

PDA on the other hand looked at the the Kings roster and decided that Cousins WAS good enough to build around and drafted Ben McLemore (who has struggled) and Ray McCallum while letting Tyreke find a higher bidder and then getting Vasquez back in a sign and trade. He then flirted with Iguodala and Calderon before signing Carl Landry (who turned 31 before the season started) to a substantial four year deal. He dealt two 2nd rounders for Mbah a Moute (who had two seasons left on his deal) and then flipped him for Williams who also has another season beyond this one, at a higher salary. He then dealt three ending contracts (Salmons, Vasquez & Patterson) and Chuck Hayes for Rudy Gay and his massive contract with another year left as well as Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray. He apparently floated IT (a RFA at season's end) and JT at the trade deadline (as well as Fredette) ultimately only dealing Thornton for Terry (who won't play) and Reggie Evans (who has made a substantial impact already) both of whom have another year left on their contracts.

It's pretty hard for me to look at that collection of moves as at all similar to what Philadelphia has done. None of those moves seem like attempts to increase losses for tanking/rebuilding purposes and none of them really seem like moves to solidify the future.

If I had to guess at the strategy (and I do have to guess because it isn't readily apparent in any way) I'd say that PDA was trying to win now (by signing a vet like Landry and trading for Mbah a Moute/Williams and especially Gay and his huge cap figure) while also trying to jettison as many Maloof era players not named Cousins as possible. I think this Kings team is at the bottom of the Western Conference standings by accident and not at all by design.

The Kings are not set up for the future. They don't have caproom, they don't have additional draft picks and they have a "core" headlined by Cousins, Rudy Gay (who will be a free agent this season or next depending on whether or not he exercises his option) and Isaiah Thomas who they will either let walk or match the highest offer to keep. With Cousins and Gay both playing the Kings were a .500 team before Saturday's loss so I expect a better record next season but say that PDA has been "planning for the future" is a stretch for me to agree with right now. Teams that are tanking/rebuilding don't take on a bunch of salary, sign players in their 30's to long term deals or give up draft picks (even 2nd rounders) for other veterans with years left on their contracts. As far as I can tell he'd been retooling on the fly to win now and just not been as successful as hoped.
 
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What I find interesting is that despite the absolutely absurd amount of moves we've made, the only insight about the direction of the team we have came from 2 of the first moves we did: Signing Cuz to the extension and signing Landry long-term. We haven't traded anyone you'd consider a "long-term" player with the organization. Nor have we gotten anyone in return who we are committed to past this season and the next.

We're still a bit in the dark to what the direction of the team is. We'll starting getting a clearer picture when we find out what happens with IT and Rudy. Do we keep the trio together? Do we trade JT or Landry? Or both?
 
My thought is that it is abundantly clear what Sam Hinkie is doing in Philadelphia and nearly impossible to discern the strategy of Pete D'Allessandro.

Granted, they came into very different situations but comparing the two

Hinkie looked at the roster and made the determination that the team's best player (and an all-start the previous season) wasn't good enough to build around and dealt Jrue Holiday to New Orleans for the draft rights to Nerlens Noel (who is essentially a lottery pick for next season given his long recovery time on his knee) and a first round pick in 2014 while using the team's own pick on Michael Carter Williams who has played far better than I had predicted.

He also traded away ending contracts in Spencer Hawes and Evan Turner (two players he had no intention of resigning) for other ending contracts (taking on more salary to reach the payroll floor) and a host of second round picks. Trading for draft picks, taking on no new salary, and constructing a roster that was guaranteed to lose (15 straight at last check) in a year where they have two lottery picks (and maybe two top 10 picks) for a deep draft.

Going into the offseason the Sixers will have a "core" of MCW, Thaddeus Young and Nerlens Noel with about $30 million in caproom, two lottery picks (their own top 5 pick, NO's 10-14 range pick) and 3 2nd
round picks to gamble with. THAT is a rebuild with tons of potential.

PDA on the other hand looked at the the Kings roster and decided that Cousins WAS good enough to build around and drafted Ben McLemore (who has struggled) and Ray McCallum while letting Tyreke find a higher bidder and then getting Vasquez back in a sign and trade. He then flirted with Iguodala and Calderon before signing Carl Landry (who turned 31 before the season started) to a substantial four year deal. He dealt two 2nd rounders for Mbah a Moute (who had two seasons left on his deal) and then flipped him for Williams who also has another season beyond this one, at a higher salary. He then dealt three ending contracts (Salmons, Vasquez & Patterson) and Chuck Hayes for Rudy Gay and his massive contract with another year left as well as Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray. He apparently floated IT (a RFA at season's end) and JT at the trade deadline (as well as Fredette) ultimately only dealing Thornton for Terry (who won't play) and Reggie Evans (who has made a substantial impact already) both of whom have another year left on their contracts.

It's pretty hard for me to look at that collection of moves as at all similar to what Philadelphia has done. None of those moves seem like attempts to increase losses for tanking/rebuilding purposes and none of them really seem like moves to solidify the future.

If I had to guess at the strategy (and I do have to guess because it isn't readily apparent in any way) I'd say that PDA was trying to win now (by signing a vet like Landry and trading for Mbah a Moute/Williams and especially Gay and his huge cap figure) while also trying to jettison as many Maloof era players not named Cousins as possible. I think this Kings team is at the bottom of the Western Conference standings by accident and not at all by design.

The Kings are not set up for the future. They don't have caproom, they don't have additional draft picks and they have a "core" headlined by Cousins, Rudy Gay (who will be a free agent this season or next depending on whether or not he exercises his option) and Isaiah Thomas who they will either let walk or match the highest offer to keep. With Cousins and Gay both playing the Kings were a .500 team before Saturday's loss so I expect a better record next season but say that PDA has been "planning for the future" is a stretch for me to agree with right now. Teams that are tanking/rebuilding don't take on a bunch of salary, sign players in their 30's to long term deals or give up draft picks (even 2nd rounders) for other veterans with years left on their contracts. As far as I can tell he'd been retooling on the fly to win now and just not been as successful as hoped.

The funky one speaks the truth. Maybe I need to post less so people will take me more seriously. This is what is believe - the former and the latter., actually. :)
 
I see the moves as trading away "assets" that were considered near impossible to trade for "slightly more tradeable assets" or shorter term contracts in hopes of a chance at a good off-season. In the meantime, lock up your stud (Cousins), try out other players that you may or may not keep (Gay, Acy, Evans), get one of your guys in (Landry) and buy yourself some time to figure out what to do with other pieces (IT, JT, Bmac, Rmac).

Not so much "win now" moves or tanking moves, but rather a valiant (IMO) attempt to get thru the year while swimming out of the cesspool inherited from the previous ownership and hopefully position themselves for a better offseason.

You could see it that way, or be more cynical and think of the old "movable pieces" debacle.
 
The Kings aren't rebuilding, they are building. The FO had a short term vision this offseason with really only a few weeks to evaluate and put together a plan.

We signed landry, which I am guessing was a character move and for a 6th man scoring option. Evans seemed like he would be on this team if it were at 8MM vs. 11. So the traded him for Grevias. Who in turn without finishers and with no defensive guards to put with him was terrible. They moved to fairly worthless 2nd rounders for Moute, and swung him for Williams. Williams is better at every single thing on the court except man defensive, that Moute. Then we swing the 4 for 3 trade which ridded us of two of our albatross and most though untradable contracts with Salmons and Hayes. We got back Gay who has played like a borderline all star.

In all of this, I don't think the FO expected IT to play as well as he has. They saw him as a 7-9 player on this team. His breakout year has provided some difficult choices moving forward. Is he a starting PG, if he is who plays next to him in the backcourt? If we can get a starting PG, can we sign him for a reasonable enough deal to make him our 6th man, when we sorta allocated that money to Landry already.

Finally we have Bmac. He has been awful. In watching him since day one I believe it is all mental. You don't have that sweet of stroke and be able to finish like he can, then clang all those bricks and generate stone hands like he has. I think that he is one of those players that if it clicks he could be a phenomenal player, i also think he could go the route of Nick Anderson who was so much in his own head he couldn't make a free throw and ended up leaving the laugh earlier than he should have.

As for where we are now. We made the decision to not have Jimmer a part of this team past this year early in the season. We cut him loose rightfully after we could not trade him. We have some traceable assets come draft time, and possible sign and trade with IT. We could easily move our pick, especially if top 5, for a top tier player in this league. The staff is doing the right thing by giving minutes to our developing players. No need to try and grind out wins working our big 3 38+ a game. People keep saying we will lose Cuz. Well he is signed for 4 more years, he's not going anywhere. And a good offseason will change what he is going through right now.

Great post. I agree with everything you've said here. It sure is a tough mess to clean up.
 
I think the Kings are not tanking on purpose. And just a couple months ago they could beat anyone in the league. Honestly, I think they are human beings and they are having a hard time staying motivated. Just going through the motions until the season as over as they are looking to next season already. Sucks as a Kings fan, but this fall we will get a fresh start and I am predicting .500+ for next season!
 
I see the moves as trading away "assets" that were considered near impossible to trade for "slightly more tradeable assets" or shorter term contracts in hopes of a chance at a good off-season. In the meantime, lock up your stud (Cousins), try out other players that you may or may not keep (Gay, Acy, Evans), get one of your guys in (Landry) and buy yourself some time to figure out what to do with other pieces (IT, JT, Bmac, Rmac).

Not so much "win now" moves or tanking moves, but rather a valiant (IMO) attempt to get thru the year while swimming out of the cesspool inherited from the previous ownership and hopefully position themselves for a better offseason.

You could see it that way, or be more cynical and think of the old "movable pieces" debacle.

I agree. I think they are trying to get talent in any form in any way possible to facilitate future moves. The talent may not "fit" at this point, but the object is to keep building to something better by being aggressive trading partners (and not necessarily to get things to "fit" yet).
 
Rebuilding for sure. Pete has been bringing in guys that can play and show some toughness. I think the Kings will become a hard nosed defensive team who will bang with anyone and compete with everyone.

Vivek, Pete and company all said this year is not about winning. here it is March 3rd and the Kings share the Western Conference basement with the Lakers:eek:

The rest of the season is about letting the young players learn the game and how to play with each other.
 
Leaving aside the capology angle, DA is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. He has embarked on a course of dynamic change in the draft, trades, and FA, which means the team is in absolute flux, with no consistency or stability. He is sacrificing consistency and stability and team coherence near term in order to accumulate more talent. And, as byproduct of his strategy, he fully realizes that he is also sacrificing near term wins i.e. he is tanking.
 
I think the Kings will become a hard nosed defensive team who will bang with anyone and compete with everyone.

I'd agree on the toughness but absolutely not on the defense. There is barely one player on the team right now that's even an above average defender, let alone a team full of them.
 
All I care about is when 2016 rolls around and we're finally competitive.

I think that's too long. To basically take over and have 2 losing seasons is a problem, especially when you consider our best player is a volatile young guy that struggles with maturity when we lose and our 2nd best player will be a free agent.

What do we think is going to happen in 2016? We won't suddenly become a free agent destination and we have a few big salary decisions to make so the expiring contracts we have doesn't suddenly mean we'll be in a different position from a cap space. At some point soon, PDA is going to have to look beyond talent to fit and a team strategy.
 
Leaving aside the capology angle, DA is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. He has embarked on a course of dynamic change in the draft, trades, and FA, which means the team is in absolute flux, with no consistency or stability. He is sacrificing consistency and stability and team coherence near term in order to accumulate more talent. And, as byproduct of his strategy, he fully realizes that he is also sacrificing near term wins i.e. he is tanking.

I think that is what I said, just not nearly as eloquently. ;)
 
I think PDA should be keeping a close eye on the Carmelo/Bulls situation because if the Bulls are serious about acquiring him the Bulls and Knicks could use a third team to facilitate a trade IF in fact they go in that direction. Taj Gibson comes to mind.
 
I think that's too long. To basically take over and have 2 losing seasons is a problem, especially when you consider our best player is a volatile young guy that struggles with maturity when we lose and our 2nd best player will be a free agent.

What do we think is going to happen in 2016? We won't suddenly become a free agent destination and we have a few big salary decisions to make so the expiring contracts we have doesn't suddenly mean we'll be in a different position from a cap space. At some point soon, PDA is going to have to look beyond talent to fit and a team strategy.


Location and facilities.. I think that's a bargaining chip when speaking with free agents. Once the arena is open I think we will have an easier job picking up free agents.

Of course how good the team is currently falls in there as well.
 
Location and facilities.. I think that's a bargaining chip when speaking with free agents. Once the arena is open I think we will have an easier job picking up free agents.

Of course how good the team is currently falls in there as well.

Those things won't hurt but can anyone think of an NBA city that wasn't a FA destination until they built a nice stadium?
 
Location is an interesting thing. How many NBA teams are viewed as huge draws for free agents just by virtue of the cities they play in?

Sure, NYC is NYC but Melo is apparently already looking to jump ship after not winning. The Clippers have always played in L.A. (well, since they moved from San Diego anyway) and up until their recent success how many NBA players made the Clips a major stop on their free agency tour? The Bay Area should draw free agents but Iguodala is the best FA I can remember them signing in the last two decades and he came (not coincidentally) when the Dubs had just started looking like an up and coming, contending team.

So exactly which teams are marquee free agent landing spots year after year. The Lakers. That's about all I've got. With pretty much every other team it really depends on the current health of the franchise as much or more than the city itself. Let's say the Kings traded for Rondo, had Gay (who opted out to resign a 4 year deal at $12 million per), Cousins, got the #1 pick and everyone else was an expiring contract leaving $16 million or so in caproom I'm guessing they'd be very attractive to a free agent SG, PF or C.
 
I think PDA should be keeping a close eye on the Carmelo/Bulls situation because if the Bulls are serious about acquiring him the Bulls and Knicks could use a third team to facilitate a trade IF in fact they go in that direction. Taj Gibson comes to mind.

That would be somewhat 'ironic' if they did trade for Gibson, after his recent opinion of Jimmer's situation here
 
That would be somewhat 'ironic' if they did trade for Gibson, after his recent opinion of Jimmer's situation here

I don't know how much room they'd have after amnestying Boozer, letting Hinrich walk (or re-signing for the min) and dumping Dunleavy, but I imagine dumping Gibson would be toward the end of the list.
 
The Kings are not set up for the future. They don't have caproom, they don't have additional draft picks and they have a "core" headlined by Cousins, Rudy Gay (who will be a free agent this season or next depending on whether or not he exercises his option) and Isaiah Thomas who they will either let walk or match the highest offer to keep. With Cousins and Gay both playing the Kings were a .500 team before Saturday's loss so I expect a better record next season but say that PDA has been "planning for the future" is a stretch for me to agree with right now. Teams that are tanking/rebuilding don't take on a bunch of salary, sign players in their 30's to long term deals or give up draft picks (even 2nd rounders) for other veterans with years left on their contracts. As far as I can tell he'd been retooling on the fly to win now and just not been as successful as hoped.

 
Location is an interesting thing. How many NBA teams are viewed as huge draws for free agents just by virtue of the cities they play in?

Sure, NYC is NYC but Melo is apparently already looking to jump ship after not winning. The Clippers have always played in L.A. (well, since they moved from San Diego anyway) and up until their recent success how many NBA players made the Clips a major stop on their free agency tour? The Bay Area should draw free agents but Iguodala is the best FA I can remember them signing in the last two decades and he came (not coincidentally) when the Dubs had just started looking like an up and coming, contending team.

So exactly which teams are marquee free agent landing spots year after year. The Lakers. That's about all I've got. With pretty much every other team it really depends on the current health of the franchise as much or more than the city itself. Let's say the Kings traded for Rondo, had Gay (who opted out to resign a 4 year deal at $12 million per), Cousins, got the #1 pick and everyone else was an expiring contract leaving $16 million or so in caproom I'm guessing they'd be very attractive to a free agent SG, PF or C.

This is a very interesting perspective and I must say I agree with a lot of it, but the perspective goes both ways as well. Who is the biggest FAs the Kings to have signed in the last 10 years? John Salmons? Granted, we've been bad, but I think even if you extend it to 20 years, Vlade Divac and Bobby Jackson are only notable players we've signed. Even when Cleveland was the NBA's regular season #1 team, no star wanted to join LeBron in Cleveland. I think the foolproof formula for free agents is a big market with a winning team. Shocking, I know. Even winning teams in small markets struggle to sign great players. I'm just happy there is a salary cap so Miami doesn't sign Carmelo somehow.
 
With our history we need to forget tanking. We need to trade our 1st round pick for more second round picks. Or maybe that only works for PGs (IT & ray ray). Lol.
 
My thought is that it is abundantly clear what Sam Hinkie is doing in Philadelphia and nearly impossible to discern the strategy of Pete D'Allessandro.

Granted, they came into very different situations but comparing the two:

Hinkie looked at the roster and made the determination that the team's best player (and an all-star the previous season) wasn't good enough to build around and dealt Jrue Holiday to New Orleans for the draft rights to Nerlens Noel (who is essentially a lottery pick for next season given his long recovery time on his knee) and a first round pick in 2014 while using the team's own pick on Michael Carter Williams who has played far better than I had predicted.

He also traded away ending contracts in Spencer Hawes and Evan Turner (two players he had no intention of resigning) for other ending contracts (taking on more salary to reach the payroll floor) and a host of second round picks. Trading for draft picks, taking on no new salary, and constructing a roster that was guaranteed to lose (15 straight at last check) in a year where they have two lottery picks (and maybe two top 10 picks) for a deep draft.

Going into the offseason the Sixers will have a "core" of MCW, Thaddeus Young and Nerlens Noel with about $30 million in caproom, two lottery picks (their own top 5 pick, NO's 10-14 range pick) and 3 2nd
round picks to gamble with. THAT is a rebuild with tons of potential.

PDA on the other hand looked at the the Kings roster and decided that Cousins WAS good enough to build around and drafted Ben McLemore (who has struggled) and Ray McCallum while letting Tyreke find a higher bidder and then getting Vasquez back in a sign and trade. He then flirted with Iguodala and Calderon before signing Carl Landry (who turned 31 before the season started) to a substantial four year deal. He dealt two 2nd rounders for Mbah a Moute (who had two seasons left on his deal) and then flipped him for Williams who also has another season beyond this one, at a higher salary. He then dealt three ending contracts (Salmons, Vasquez & Patterson) and Chuck Hayes for Rudy Gay and his massive contract with another year left as well as Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray. He apparently floated IT (a RFA at season's end) and JT at the trade deadline (as well as Fredette) ultimately only dealing Thornton for Terry (who won't play) and Reggie Evans (who has made a substantial impact already) both of whom have another year left on their contracts.

It's pretty hard for me to look at that collection of moves as at all similar to what Philadelphia has done. None of those moves seem like attempts to increase losses for tanking/rebuilding purposes and none of them really seem like moves to solidify the future.

If I had to guess at the strategy (and I do have to guess because it isn't readily apparent in any way) I'd say that PDA was trying to win now (by signing a vet like Landry and trading for Mbah a Moute/Williams and especially Gay and his huge cap figure) while also trying to jettison as many Maloof era players not named Cousins as possible. I think this Kings team is at the bottom of the Western Conference standings by accident and not at all by design.

The Kings are not set up for the future. They don't have caproom, they don't have additional draft picks and they have a "core" headlined by Cousins, Rudy Gay (who will be a free agent this season or next depending on whether or not he exercises his option) and Isaiah Thomas who they will either let walk or match the highest offer to keep. With Cousins and Gay both playing the Kings were a .500 team before Saturday's loss so I expect a better record next season but say that PDA has been "planning for the future" is a stretch for me to agree with right now. Teams that are tanking/rebuilding don't take on a bunch of salary, sign players in their 30's to long term deals or give up draft picks (even 2nd rounders) for other veterans with years left on their contracts. As far as I can tell he'd been retooling on the fly to win now and just not been as successful as hoped.

I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm not sure I would go so far as to say PDA was making moves to win now. At least not in totality. I think he's more of an opportunist than anything else. And maybe that's not fair, but until he's willing to sit down with me and explain his plan, that's how it appears to me. The problem with being an opportunist, is that its like going to the store, seeing something on sale that's a great deal and buying it. Unfortunately, you don't need it. You bought it simply because it was a good deal. So when your all done, you end up with a cubboard full of the same product. Now that's an exaggeration, but in our case, were still a team of mismatched players that don't totally fit together.

This next offseason along with the draft should give us a good indication of what direction this team is headed in. While its true we don't have any capspace to work with, we will the following offseason. The minute we signed Cousins to that extension we did away with our capspace in the short term. So I'll reserve judgement until our next training camp. It will be interesting to watch how the IT situation works out. The question that everyone asks is whether IT is to be our starting PG of the future. Of course I have my answer, but I'm not sure how the Kings look at it. They've said many times that they see IT as a great 6th man. I happen to agree with that analysis. The question should be, can we win a championship with IT as the starting PG? How well you like him as a player is immaterial. Can we win a championship with him as our starter? If not, then he's not our starting PG of the future. Unless your content with just losing year after year in the playoffs. I'm not!

They didn't have much time to deal with the Tyreke situation, so like or hate the outcome, its somewhat understandable. But with IT, they've had plenty of time, so hopefully they get the outcome their looking for. I like the Gay trade, and if this was still the Petrie era, he would have gotten a A for that trade alone. The jury is still out on the Williams deal, but in general I like it. The problem I have with the team right now is, Gray, Landry, Acy, Evans, JT, and Cousins. That's 6 frontcourt players and you could even throw Williams into that group. If we were to draft another frontcourt player (Embiid, Vonleh, or Cauley-Stein) that would bring us to seven frontcourt players. Obviously something has to give. The offseason should be very interesting.
 
I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm not sure I would go so far as to say PDA was making moves to win now. At least not in totality. I think he's more of an opportunist than anything else. And maybe that's not fair, but until he's willing to sit down with me and explain his plan, that's how it appears to me. The problem with being an opportunist, is that its like going to the store, seeing something on sale that's a great deal and buying it. Unfortunately, you don't need it. You bought it simply because it was a good deal. So when your all done, you end up with a cubboard full of the same product. Now that's an exaggeration, but in our case, were still a team of mismatched players that don't totally fit together.

This next offseason along with the draft should give us a good indication of what direction this team is headed in. While its true we don't have any capspace to work with, we will the following offseason. The minute we signed Cousins to that extension we did away with our capspace in the short term. So I'll reserve judgement until our next training camp. It will be interesting to watch how the IT situation works out. The question that everyone asks is whether IT is to be our starting PG of the future. Of course I have my answer, but I'm not sure how the Kings look at it. They've said many times that they see IT as a great 6th man. I happen to agree with that analysis. The question should be, can we win a championship with IT as the starting PG? How well you like him as a player is immaterial. Can we win a championship with him as our starter? If not, then he's not our starting PG of the future. Unless your content with just losing year after year in the playoffs. I'm not!

They didn't have much time to deal with the Tyreke situation, so like or hate the outcome, its somewhat understandable. But with IT, they've had plenty of time, so hopefully they get the outcome their looking for. I like the Gay trade, and if this was still the Petrie era, he would have gotten a A for that trade alone. The jury is still out on the Williams deal, but in general I like it. The problem I have with the team right now is, Gray, Landry, Acy, Evans, JT, and Cousins. That's 6 frontcourt players and you could even throw Williams into that group. If we were to draft another frontcourt player (Embiid, Vonleh, or Cauley-Stein) that would bring us to seven frontcourt players. Obviously something has to give. The offseason should be very interesting.
Well said, Bajaden. I enjoy your posts, all of them.
 
I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm not sure I would go so far as to say PDA was making moves to win now. At least not in totality. I think he's more of an opportunist than anything else. And maybe that's not fair, but until he's willing to sit down with me and explain his plan, that's how it appears to me. The problem with being an opportunist, is that its like going to the store, seeing something on sale that's a great deal and buying it. Unfortunately, you don't need it. You bought it simply because it was a good deal. So when your all done, you end up with a cubboard full of the same product. Now that's an exaggeration, but in our case, were still a team of mismatched players that don't totally fit together.

This next offseason along with the draft should give us a good indication of what direction this team is headed in. While its true we don't have any capspace to work with, we will the following offseason. The minute we signed Cousins to that extension we did away with our capspace in the short term. So I'll reserve judgement until our next training camp. It will be interesting to watch how the IT situation works out. The question that everyone asks is whether IT is to be our starting PG of the future. Of course I have my answer, but I'm not sure how the Kings look at it. They've said many times that they see IT as a great 6th man. I happen to agree with that analysis. The question should be, can we win a championship with IT as the starting PG? How well you like him as a player is immaterial. Can we win a championship with him as our starter? If not, then he's not our starting PG of the future. Unless your content with just losing year after year in the playoffs. I'm not!

They didn't have much time to deal with the Tyreke situation, so like or hate the outcome, its somewhat understandable. But with IT, they've had plenty of time, so hopefully they get the outcome their looking for. I like the Gay trade, and if this was still the Petrie era, he would have gotten a A for that trade alone. The jury is still out on the Williams deal, but in general I like it. The problem I have with the team right now is, Gray, Landry, Acy, Evans, JT, and Cousins. That's 6 frontcourt players and you could even throw Williams into that group. If we were to draft another frontcourt player (Embiid, Vonleh, or Cauley-Stein) that would bring us to seven frontcourt players. Obviously something has to give. The offseason should be very interesting.

Agree with a lot of what you've said here.

I do wonder, though, about the notion that every guy that starts out on the ground floor needs to be there when the team makes its final push into championship contention. Could the classic era Kings have won a title with J-Will? Probably not (although he did eventually win one with the Heat), but Petrie was eventually able to swap him out for Bibby, who could and should have taken us to the promised land. So, while the FO likely doesn't see IT the starting PG of the 2017 championship winning Kings, maybe they'll keep him around for a couple more years as they keep building to that point.
 
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