Synopsis of ESPN Summer Grades for Kings?

[kennadog]

The grades were handed out by Chad Ford. It was not based on how good he thinks the teams will do this year, relative to each other. It was a grade based on how well he felt teams did in the offseason in an effort to improve their own team. Given the Kings possible options, how well did Petrie do improving the Kings over last year and did they address weaknesses, etc?

Only teams to get an "A" of some kind were:

Heat - A+
Wizards - A
OK - A
Pacers - A-
Kings A-

 

[Geoff]

TDOS indeed...

 

[est.1999]

Kingsboi, I give you an F.

/end thread.

 

[mcsluggo]

We all have our own ways of grading certain things, I'm sorry if we don't agree on this, but were just gonna have to agree to disagree then. Wait til the season, and see who eats bigger crow.

i'm curious... what other off-seasons in the HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE would qualify as an A to you? really, if the requirement for an A is to sign 3 of the biggest stars in the league in the EARLY years of their prime.... then I am glad you are not my prof.

 

[pshn80]

This is pretty neat. An argument between an A and a B. How many times is it this way for us Kings. I always like our guys so as usual I'll take them over any of them including Miami. Because of this I don't win as often but I sure enjoy it. Go Kings! And, guys, don't trip over the door mat when you come to first practice.

 

[The Hammer]

Well an A shouldn't be so easy to get, so I'm sticking with my guns.

Scale is def. different for rebuilding/contenders. Were rebuilding for a reason, they are contenders for a reason.

I call them "homer Kings fans" because they see A in drafting two rookies who never played, getting a shot blocker who is a one year rental.

Yeah, we drafted two ROOKIES. What a dumb move. I'm such a homer for being happy that we drafted two friggin ROOKIES.

And now you are grading the offseason on the overall position of the team???? Rebuilding for a reason?? Yeah, cause that's what you have to do after you make a run, your star players decline. Yeah, maybe it could have happened sooner.... but you are using that to grade one off season's moves??? Sorry buddy, but you definitely deserve to get hounded. All day.

You also forgot to mention I'm a homer for us clearing capspace, getting rid of a cancer, getting rid of softness, and that the "shot blocker" is one of the most efficient rebounders in the NBA, and one of the best shot blockers at that. Wow. Your post is just so bad I don't even know what to say...

 

[Jalee209]

Kingsboi = Ariesmar?

If not, I'm glad we have another poster here for us to rally around and berate.

 

[dbfish]

I'm sorry but we don't deserve an A. Only one team deserves an A and we know who that is. I would say we are in the B range, we addressed our biggest weakness, yes, but we have to see if that benefits us this season or not, too early to tell now, we will see in couple of weeks!

I think you are wrong and I defend your right to be wrong.

 

[fnordius]

I'd give the FO a tentative A, but I'm giving the thread an F-, because I'm not into shouting down anyone whose opinion differs from the herd.

 

[bajaden]

DeMarcus & Jordan Crawford

With all due respect, and this is from someone that spends most of his time watching college basketball, your out of your freaking mind if you would have taken Jordan Crawford over Whiteside. I had some other players that I would have considered when it came our turn at 33, but none were named Jordan Crawford. And please don't try and tell me about Crawford, because I can guarantee you I've seen him play more than you have, unless you went to college with him.

 

[bajaden]

This is coming in late, but it appears to me that your no longer debating whether it should be an A or a B, but instead your right to give whatever grade you want. Let me say first, that no one has tried to censor your opinon or your right to give whatever grade you want. Therefore your wasting your time in that area. Secondly, some on this fourm thought that perhaps you were misunderstanding the premise of the grading, and tried to re-explain their reasons for their grading. Instead of listening, and maybe reconsidering, you instead circled the wagons, and you did this in the light of very reasonable explainations.

Let me finish by saying that your posts have not only become totally defensive, but also provacative, and beginning to resemble the posts of a troll. So be careful mi amigo. There is an ignore button that can be pushed.. This fourm is about information and opinion. And your certainly entitled to yours. But remember that if someone gives a speech on a street corner, and no one comes to listen, its wasted effort. Personally I'm not into wasting my time. I'd like to think that I'm not wasting it now, but somehow I suspect that I'am..

 

[The Hammer]

I'd give the FO a tentative A, but I'm giving the thread an F-, because I'm not into shouting down anyone whose opinion differs from the herd.

I'm going to take your bait and guess you might have been referring to me. Dude this is a sports forum. Sportstalk. Like the guys (and ladies) sitting around and talking at the barber shop/hair salon, only online and family friendly (thank god for the filters). You people who strut around here with your high and mighty "egalitarian" attitudes are silly. (And by the way, I refuse to write the letters IMHO after everything I write so that people are extra special sure that I'm not trying to hurt their feelings.) The whole fun of this is that you can get your *** hounded by stating crazy bad opinions! It's all fun. No one's going to get hurt.

I completely respect kingsboi's right to have a differing opinion, I also respect my right to attack it if I feel like it. I also resepct my right and everyone's right to point out faulty logic or reasoning, which was the primary reason for my shout down (along with kingsboi throwing around the "you're all homers" line), whether or not it was successful. NOT simply because it differed from the "herd". But moreso because it was 1. poorly supported 2. based on bad logic and yes 3. bad.

 

[hrdboild]

Once in a decade offseason for the Kings.

The Heat do mess up the curve though.

Brief, and to the point. My sentiments exactly.

 

[rainmaker]

So far from what I gather, Kingsboi didn't give the Kings an A for two reasons. One, we didn't sign 3 of the top 5 players in the world to longterm contracts, which has only been done once in the history of the league by my recollection. And two, we drafted Whiteside over Crawford, who wasn't available at #33 anyway.

To come on here and say you would only give the Kings a B, and follow it up with these two explanations as to why, is illogical and not well thought out at best, and I'm being kind.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

your out of your freaking mind if you would have taken Jordan Crawford over Whiteside./QUOTE]

Think of the Hawks. Not only did they take Crawford over Whiteside, but they traded away an in-hand Damion James (already drafted 3 slots earlier) to get him along with the #31 (which they swung for cash). Coulda had Whiteside. Coulda had James. Shoot, coulda had Crawford AND Whiteside at #31...chose Crawford and cash. Then, signed Joe Johnson to the biggest contract of the offseason. But hey, maybe taking the Pape Sy Challenge at #53 will pay off for them.

 

[NME]

The grade scale consists of an A, B, C, D, and an F.

So, a "B" grade is void if there is no grade to crown or top it in a sense. The entire process is nullified based on no possible outcome of perfection.

Reminds me of a bit I saw about Starbucks:

“I’ll have a small coffee.”

“We only sell medium and large.”

“You can't have medium and large, you can have small and large! Medium is a median point between two other points, so &$%@ off!”

 

[Warhawk]

Reminds me of a bit I saw about Starbucks:

“I’ll have a small coffee.”

“We only sell medium and large.”

“You can't have medium and large, you can have small and large! Medium is a median point between two other points, so &$%@ off!”

Role Models!

 

[Asaf]

Kingsboi, I've been in your position before, as the non-consensus guy who everyone is barking at because he doesn't agree with the majority opinion, so I can sympathize with you. However, while I completely respect your right to grade as you please, this is a discussion board, and if you participate in a discussion, it is common courtesy to fully explain your stance. If you decide to give the Kings a B for this off season, that implies that you think they could have done better (enough to get them an A). In four pages of this thread you have yet to explain how the Kings could have had a better summer. You could say that you would only give them an A if they had managed to lure LeBron, Wade, and Bosh to Sacramento, but we all know that was not in their capabilities. It's like telling a first grader that he can only get an A in English if he writes a novel and gets it published. So, I'm sincerely interested to know (and I do mean sincerely) what moves the Kings could have made for this to have been a significantly better offseason for them - one that would earn them an A in your book.

 

[The Hammer]

Not all the idiots, apparently.

Holy **** that is awesome. I literally fell back laughing.

 

[Kingsguy881]

So what exactly are you saying....that I'm a Lakers fan? Why? Just because I'm not giving the Kings an A everyone thinks i'm not a fan. typical.

No, you're not a Lakers fan, I think, however the logic you present sounds like my Laker fan friends. In fact, my barber and I were having a similar discussion and he sounded just like you do now. I would have texted him and accused him of being you except you posted during times he was cutting hair.

Your logic is that nobody has seen DMC or Whiteside play an NBA game yet so how can they give good grades for the Kings draft. Well nobody has seen how well the Heat will mesh, nobody has seen how well Wall will be, etc.. The offseason's results will be an unknown until the actual games are played, but the Kings in the span of 2 weeks went from having the softest, shortest frontline in the league and hovering near the bottom in defense and rebounds to potentially being the most athletic, tallest, longest, and toughest frontline in the league. There is no way anybody with a basketball mind can drop them lower than an A- due to the logic of those 2 weeks alone. So you stand there on your little island and try to condescend to everyone else but we are standing on a CONTINENT and you are on an ISLAND. Whenever you wanna try to hop in that raft and paddle your way over to the mainland, you go ahead and let us know.

 

[Kingster]

Um, the same can be said for EVERY team's draft/trades. Including the Heat. We don't know how that will work out, now do we? We can guess, but we don't know. So how can you give them an A?

Yeah, but you have to admit that with the Heat they got proven veteran talent. Whether they have the chemistry is a question mark, but not the talent. With the Kings, on the other hand, we don't have nearly the certainty about the talent that Miami has. Our rookies haven't even played in an NBA game yet. So I totally get the notion of using the term "speculation" for our rookies and giving much more credence to guys like LBJ and Bosh. You have to give Miami at least a grade higher than the Kings. If you give the Kings an A, maybe Miami deserves A++.

 

[bajaden]

your out of your freaking mind if you would have taken Jordan Crawford over Whiteside./QUOTE]

Think of the Hawks. Not only did they take Crawford over Whiteside, but they traded away an in-hand Damion James (already drafted 3 slots earlier) to get him along with the #31 (which they swung for cash). Coulda had Whiteside. Coulda had James. Shoot, coulda had Crawford AND Whiteside at #31...chose Crawford and cash. Then, signed Joe Johnson to the biggest contract of the offseason. But hey, maybe taking the Pape Sy Challenge at #53 will pay off for them.

Crawford may well turn out to be a good player. But if I have to choose between a 6'11" athletic big man and a 6'3" athletic SG, I'm going to take the big man every time. Especially if he led all of college in blocked shots. No offense to Crawford, but he's not my kind of player. But thats just me, I can see where some might like his style of play. Of course as you know, I'm a big Damion James fan.

 

[Warhawk]

Yeah, but you have to admit that with the Heat they got proven veteran talent. Whether they have the chemistry is a question mark, but not the talent. With the Kings, on the other hand, we don't have nearly the certainty about the talent that Miami has. Our rookies haven't even played in an NBA game yet. So I totally get the notion of using the term "speculation" for our rookies and giving much more credence to guys like LBJ and Bosh. You have to give Miami at least a grade higher than the Kings. If you give the Kings an A, maybe Miami deserves A++.

Oh sure. I agree. But again, when Malone and Payton went to the Lakers everyone thought they would win it too and look how that turned out.

 

[hrdboild]

Oh sure. I agree. But again, when Malone and Payton went to the Lakers everyone thought they would win it too and look how that turned out.

Yeah...but let me completely ignore the point you're trying to make (ie that unpredictable outcomes can and do happen) and instead point out that Payton and Malone were on the tail end of their careers while Bosh and Lebron are superstars in their primes and therefore will undoubtedly make the rest of the league their punching bag as early as this season.

/Laker fan

Seriously though, in regards to the quote quoted above -- is it really fair to curve everyone else's grades down because Miami pulled off the greatest off-season in the history of professional sports? The Kings could still have an A off-season regardless of what happened in Miami because the quality of the personnel decisions are being graded in relation to every NBA off-season not just the ridiculous summer of 2010 off-season. And even then, considering all the hype that went into this years free agent class, looking at the rest of the league (as I did earlier) it still seems to me that we had a top 5 off-season which is pretty darn impressive. And furthermore, unless you believe Cousins is going to be a massive bust, drafting a potential franchise center puts you near the top of the list in any off-season. Whether you call it an A-, B+ or something else doesn't really matter -- just how that grade places us in comparison to the rest of the league.

 

[Telemachus]

DeMarcus & Jordan Crawford

Jordan Crawford was taken before Whiteside, so there is NO way the Kings could have taken him. If you are going to give an example of how their draft could have been better, at least give an option that was available.