Such a brave little soldier...

[KA_2]

Was I not clear enough for you? The litany of Kobe's injuries would cover a normal NBA season in about one 2 week span. Get it now?

Uh, you mean like Chris Webber? You are avoiding the point and looking foolish in the process. Is Kobe Bryant more injury prone than Chris Webber? If not, wouldn't that mean Chris Webber should be considered a drama queen before Kobe ever does because he gets injured more than Kobe?

 

[AleksandarN]

Oh, so Kobe is really a VICTIM (again) this time of the media realtions dept. of the lakers. Got it.

Blame for what I see nothing wrong in what he says about his injuries. It is people who like to twist things around that I can not really stand. Anything he does is overly analyised. Who is response for it are the people who bring it up. I can not see why why he is critized. Think about this no one in the history of league has more of a spot light on them then Kobe and that was before last year.

 

[Kingsgurl]

I point you to my earlier response in this thread. Were YOU aware of the extent of Chris knee problems BEFORE the knee gave way? I thought not. Neither were we. Why? Well because Chris didn't take every opportunity to point it out. There weren't umpteen articles about how he could barely walk after some games, about the icing and the therapy etc. Not until AFTER.

 

[KA_2]

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I point you to my earlier response in this thread. Were YOU aware of the extent of Chris knee problems BEFORE the knee gave way? I thought not. Neither were we. Why? Well because Chris didn't take every opportunity to point it out. There weren't umpteen articles about how he could barely walk after some games, about the icing and the therapy etc. Not until AFTER.

Are you kidding me? You're either joking or totally misinformed. Chris Webber himself didn't know how serious his knee injury was. When he injured his knee in May 2003, it was actually his lateral meniscus that ended his season. It wasn't until the doctors took an MRI (or until he went into surgery) that they discovered that his knee needed extensive work, specifically microfracture surgery to regrow more surface bone cartilage.

Anyway, Webber has had quite a few ankle injuries, some knee injuries, and several shoulder injuries in his career. He's quite a bit more prone to injury than [font=&quot]Kobe[/font][font=&quot], and he has talked about his shoulder, knee, and ankle injuries extensively to the media. So again, I ask you, what is the difference? [/font][/font]

 

[Kingsgurl]

Obviously YOU are the misinformed one. Of COURSE Chris didn't know the EXTENT of the knee injury. All HE knew was it hurt, and badly enough that he, at times, could barely walk after games. The POINT, which you seem wildly intent on missing, is that Chris did not make a HUGE point of making sure everyone knew that he was out there giving it a go, despite the pain. We all worried about his ankles, because that's the injury he had missed games because of. None of us were worried about his knee, we hadn't heard a peep about that. Turns out, his knee was a congentital defect, had been hurting him for YEARS, badly enough to sideline a lot of guys. Not, of course, Kobe, who would have played through it as well, but would have made damn sure the whole world KNEW he was playing through it. You have actually done nothing but prove the point with your arguments against it.


I am now going to bed, I find this argument to be specious, at best.

 

[KA_2]

Obviously YOU are the misinformed one. Of COURSE Chris didn't know the EXTENT of the knee injury. All HE knew was it hurt, and badly enough that he, at times, could barely walk after games. The POINT, which you seem wildly intent on missing, is that Chris did not make a HUGE point of making sure everyone knew that he was out there giving it a go, despite the pain.

So Webber didn't make it a "HUGE" point to note that his knees were hurting. But he DID talk about his knees to the media (before May 2003) and he DID talk about his other injuries (ankles).

We all worried about his ankles, because that's the injury he had missed games because of. None of us were worried about his knee, we hadn't heard a peep about that. Turns out, his knee was a congentital defect, had been hurting him for YEARS, badly enough to sideline a lot of guys. Not, of course, Kobe, who would have played through it as well, but would have made damn sure the whole world KNEW he was playing through it. You have actually done nothing but prove the point with your arguments against it.

Actually no, you've somehow managed to make yourself believe that Kobe talks about injuries more than Webber has over his career. And did Webber say he was playing through knee pain for "YEARS"? If so, drama queen, no?

 

[6th]

You are avoiding the point and looking foolish in the process.

KA_2, I have enjoyed reading this debate, even if I totally disagree with you. However, I have a serious problem with the way you must put down someone you are debating with in order to make your point more plausable. To say that a HIGHLY RESPECTED KINGS FAN AND MEMBER OF THIS BOARD looks foolish is crossing the line.

I know that I am not a moderator. But, I am saying that I do not like the way you feel you must prove a point. You could do better.

 

[slugking50]

Ill join the KG/VF Kobe is a Drama Queen Club. Is there a membership fee?

 

[vladetomiller]

Obviously YOU are the misinformed one. Of COURSE Chris didn't know the EXTENT of the knee injury. All HE knew was it hurt, and badly enough that he, at times, could barely walk after games. The POINT, which you seem wildly intent on missing, is that Chris did not make a HUGE point of making sure everyone knew that he was out there giving it a go, despite the pain. We all worried about his ankles, because that's the injury he had missed games because of. None of us were worried about his knee, we hadn't heard a peep about that. Turns out, his knee was a congentital defect, had been hurting him for YEARS, badly enough to sideline a lot of guys. Not, of course, Kobe, who would have played through it as well, but would have made damn sure the whole world KNEW he was playing through it. You have actually done nothing but prove the point with your arguments against it.


I am now going to bed, I find this argument to be specious, at best.

I am still going to maintain the same line, players play through injuries and the media is the one which blows this thing out of proportion. They want to get more scoop from superstars and thats what it is. Having said that

After his knee injury against the mavs in a game where the mavs scored around 80 points in the first half, didnt webber say that he would come back and play in the conference finals if they reached there. we agree that it was a nice gesture and a confidence booster for the team to achieve something knowing that their superstar would support them agains the spurs. I can twist that and say that he wanted to be that brave soldier who came and played with a torn meniscus, the player who played on one leg and carried the team to the finals.

Its about perspective

 

[VF21]

KA_2, I have enjoyed reading this debate, even if I totally disagree with you. However, I have a serious problem with the way you must put down someone you are debating with in order to make your point more plausable. To say that a HIGHLY RESPECTED KINGS FAN AND MEMBER OF THIS BOARD looks foolish is crossing the line.

I know that I am not a moderator. But, I am saying that I do not like the way you feel you must prove a point. You could do better.

I agree entirely.

 

[KingsFan54]

I have sat here for the last 30 minutes reading all the posts about how Kobe plays through the pain of injurys. Kobe has brought much of the critizisum on himself. Things he brought out in the media should have been handled behind closed doors and in person. Chris had major surgery on his knee. I just can't respece Kobe, no matter how great a player he is. If it is preception, then he made the preception himself. It has a lot to do with his attitude.

 

[vladetomiller]

Chris had major surgery on his knee. I just can't respece Kobe, no matter how great a player he is. If it is preception, then he made the preception himself. It has a lot to do with his attitude.

That i agree with, when you know that you dont like the person, its easy to pick on things

 

[KP]

Kobe

Kobes so tuff!!

 

[Kingsgurl]

Well, will you look at that? Mike Bibby comes out for his post game interview, both knees encased in ice bags. The reporters ask him "What's with the ice, Mike?" Mike responds with "You gotta have ice, man" and, wonder of wonders, they move on in the interview. No lengthy discourse on how the knees are bothering him, how the knees might have effected his free-throw shooting, how he is so tough that he just plays through the pain. What would Kobe have done/said?

 

[AleksandarN]

. What would Kobe have done/said?

So let em ask you what would people say if Kobe did not say anything? Look there is more pressure and spotlight on Kobe then anyone in this league. He plays bad he hears about from everyone. He plays good he still gets critized. He play hurt he gets critized. See the pattern here. It does not matter what he does there will be people like you that will find wrong with whatever he does. Hatred of people should not distract from the skills the player has and how he plays through injuries wheather known or not.

 

[Kingsgurl]

I was merely pointing out one way poor little kobe could avoid the Drama Queen moniker/perception and that would be to respond in a similiar vein as Mike did.....and avoid cheeseburgers.

 

[vladetomiller]

Well, will you look at that? Mike Bibby comes out for his post game interview, both knees encased in ice bags. The reporters ask him "What's with the ice, Mike?" Mike responds with "You gotta have ice, man" and, wonder of wonders, they move on in the interview. No lengthy discourse on how the knees are bothering him, how the knees might have effected his free-throw shooting, how he is so tough that he just plays through the pain. What would Kobe have done/said?

Well the sacramento media is not that good/bad as the LA/NY media. There things get blown way out of proportion and its good and bad. You dont see too many sacramento reporters speculating and there seems to be just aileen from that point of view. Where as in LA there are more reporters with set agenda of stirring it up and they are always looking for a scoop. By the way did that interview happen or was it just your imagination. I am sure if i am a reporter i would want to know more about the ice thing, if its not common for bibby to come out with ice always. Thats what i get paid for, to get the news or sometimes make news. (VF21 should know being in the newspaper business)

How many radio shows are talking about Terrel owens and his injury, how many are talking about when the possible comeback could be and the fate of the eagles. Are they that much more important than the patriots, or much more important than John Abraham possibly returning. I guess so, cos for the casual fan the mention of TO makes a splash in either way cos he has character and has fans either liking him or hating him. There are no nfl fans who are neutral about TO, whereas there will be many neutral fans for some of the other players like Abraham or say Bibby. They wouldnt care much unless you are a fan of that team or say from a rival team. its not a league wide news, it kinda becomes local.

Same thing with Kobe, any news is for or against him and nothing is neutral. which is good and bad for him cos little things will get blown out of proportion to his advantage and at the same time some to his disadvantage.


There is really a very good posibility of him being a spotlight guy who likes that, but in this situation i havent seen any evidence to suggest that. When i mean evidence , i mean a straight forward question to which he brings in his injury issues. I dont get to watch that many interviews, but the ones that i have watched him mentioning of an injury always preceded by a questions asking about that. The last one i saw was after the kings game when (cheryl was it ) she asked about how his injury was coming along.

 

[Gargamel]

If I were a Laker fan I would too beceause 3 out or 4 times it means my team lost.

You'd have to be a Laker fan who assumes that Kobe's triple doubles are the reason for losses. It's really defensive holes.