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Just caught something on the radio but did not hear the whole thing...anyone else hear anything?
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Bballkingsrock
All-Star
He deserves it though.........
AleksandarN
Starter
unbelieveble 
no way Nash deserves it over Kobe. What Kobe did this year is amazing. Look at the team the only other player on the Laker team that has talent is Lamar.
no way Nash deserves it over Kobe. What Kobe did this year is amazing. Look at the team the only other player on the Laker team that has talent is Lamar.
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AleksandarN said:unbelieveble
Let's look at the starting 5s for each team...
LAKERS
Smush Parker
Kobe
Walton/George
Odom
Brown
SUNS
Nash
Raja Bell
Marion
T. Tomas
Diaw
While I do agree that Nash has a better "supporting cast", without Amare in the line up Suns ended up winning their division.
Personally I think combo Kobe/Odom is almost equal to Nash/Marion. Difference is Nash's ability to get the most out of his teammates, get them involved and set up open shots.
I don't think Diaw would play the same way somewhere else if it weren't for Nash.
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Fillmoe
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kobe bryant was robbed....
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AriesMar27
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way to go nash.... hopefully he can play like an mvp to come back and beat the lakers tonight....
go nash....
go nash....
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Fillmoe
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6th said:
forget all that.... look who kobe has around him and look who nash has around him.... marion, bell, boris diaw, tim thomas, house, barbosa....
and kobe has lamar odom, smush, walton, brown, george, cook and jackson.....
its MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.... do you think without KOBE the lakers would even be in the playoffs? i highly doubt it... matter of fact i think they would be a lottery team.....
the suns without nash are a bad team... but they are talented enough to sneak out a 8th seed in the playoffs......
jacobdrj
Bench
Yawn. Boring. Nash MVP again, in a close race. Kinda like the Pats winning 3 close superbowls...
Joking aside, I don't like the media doing MVP. Let the players decide. Or just call it OPoY.
Still can't belive KG won it on one of his least deserving years... the previous one, he should have had it.
Joking aside, I don't like the media doing MVP. Let the players decide. Or just call it OPoY.
Still can't belive KG won it on one of his least deserving years... the previous one, he should have had it.
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Rome
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I think Nash deserves it. Look at his numbers and how far he has carried his team without Amare, Kurt Thomas for 2nd half of the season, and a bunch of new guys who replaced Q-Rich and JJ.
LOL give me a break. Kobe wasn't robbed, it was close and he lost fair and square. Eddie House had a hard time getting minutes on the bobcats. Oh and he has Tim Thomas too-you know, THE TIM THOMAS. Before that guy came to PHX he was thought of as a bum and a cancer. You realize that he took last year's knicks starting frontcourt and has them on a fifty win team? Even though TT played only like half the season with the suns and Kurt has missed a big chunk of the season too. Boris Diaw averaged a whopping 4 points per game last year, this year he's averaging 136/6. You can't tell me that Steve Nash has nothing to do with that. Nash makes their jobs easier and all of a sudden the Kobe fans start saying "well look who nash has on his team!" There's a reason all of those guys are having career years. The suns have no post presence and they're still a 50 win team.
Also, yeah Kobe's teammates aren't good but they're not all awful either. Odom and Kwame have been playing well the last couple of months.
Is Kobe a better player than Nash? Yeah. But Nash is more valuable to one of the best teams in the league, you can't tell me that if Kobe was on that team those guys would be having career years.
I'm not even a Nash fan, I thought Lebron should've won it. The fact is Nash had a better team, he made things easier for his teammates, and he made a great case for the MVP award this season.
Also, yeah Kobe's teammates aren't good but they're not all awful either. Odom and Kwame have been playing well the last couple of months.
Is Kobe a better player than Nash? Yeah. But Nash is more valuable to one of the best teams in the league, you can't tell me that if Kobe was on that team those guys would be having career years.
I'm not even a Nash fan, I thought Lebron should've won it. The fact is Nash had a better team, he made things easier for his teammates, and he made a great case for the MVP award this season.
i am glad that kobe did not get it. and for all saying that kobe deserves the mvp award because of his supporting cast, well he, kobe, is the reason of that supporting cast, remember? he wanted to be "da man" and show the rest of the world, the population of lesser beings, that he can take any team to the top. guess what, him making to the playoff's is being considered a big accomplishment; why?
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Tough call, really. I don't really buy Fillmoe's argument because guys he lists like Tim Thomas, Diaw, Barbosa, and Eddie House don't become any better than Kwame, Smush etc without Nash. But at the same time, Kobe and LeBron had amazing seasons. I like Bill Simmons' argument. Who will we remember 2005-2006 for? Kobe's 81? LeBron's resurgence? Sure. And two MVPs in a row really begins to make the case for Nash to be one of the premier players of the era. Which I'm still not convinced he is.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Good for Steve. To lose Amare, and then Amare's replacement and still roll is simply amazing. Without Steve it might be sub-35 wins. He is the complete and utter engine there.
Kobe had his one great moment that is going to attract enormoous attention. But not even sure he has the better SEASON than LeBron, who also led a team who garnered more wins.
In any case, the MVP has long been an award that goes to: the Best Player on an Elite Team Having the Best Year". It never goes to guys on losing or mediocre squads no matter how great they play. Think the real "problem" for voters this time out is that the best players on the truly elite teams just did not measure up. Dirk came closest, but Duncan had the off year, and no Piston or other Spur was so great as to really be MVP caliber. So they had to drop the cutoff back a notch, and the leader of the FOURTH best team (recordwise) WAS having a remarkable year. I thought there was a chance they might slide the scale back far enough to officially open the LeBron Era after the Cavs reached 50 wins, but dropping all the way to Kobe at 45 was just too far. Not sure I can even recall the last guy to win the MVP on such a weak team. Probably been 30 years at least.
Kobe had his one great moment that is going to attract enormoous attention. But not even sure he has the better SEASON than LeBron, who also led a team who garnered more wins.
In any case, the MVP has long been an award that goes to: the Best Player on an Elite Team Having the Best Year". It never goes to guys on losing or mediocre squads no matter how great they play. Think the real "problem" for voters this time out is that the best players on the truly elite teams just did not measure up. Dirk came closest, but Duncan had the off year, and no Piston or other Spur was so great as to really be MVP caliber. So they had to drop the cutoff back a notch, and the leader of the FOURTH best team (recordwise) WAS having a remarkable year. I thought there was a chance they might slide the scale back far enough to officially open the LeBron Era after the Cavs reached 50 wins, but dropping all the way to Kobe at 45 was just too far. Not sure I can even recall the last guy to win the MVP on such a weak team. Probably been 30 years at least.
slugking50
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twocents said:
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vladetomiller
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If the lakers reach the WCF will they reverse the decision
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Fillmoe said:
Come on man, they only won 20 games that one season before Nash came over...I am pretty sure that does not get you a 8th seed.
vladetomiller
Bench
lots of things changed from that 20 win team, importantly a coach who knew how to get wins with the kind of no-defense shooters.
Lots of no namers have been playing great in that system and the coach deserves the award, not sure about nash.
Lots of no namers have been playing great in that system and the coach deserves the award, not sure about nash.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
vladetomiller said:
um...that coach was there during the 21 win season. Went 21-40 with Shawn Marion, Amare, Joe Johsnon all on the roster. Then next season gets Nash as his captain, his leader, his engine, and suddenly wins 62.
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Bricklayer
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Freakout said:
Or again, simply the belief that many voters have that the MVP has to come from a winning team.
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Bricklayer said:
Thank you!
I believe they were 73-91 with Marion and Amare on the team but no Steve Nash.
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Fillmoe
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Gargamel
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Fillmoe said:
If the Lakers beat Phx, this play will be shown every time the series is mentioned in the future. Just like how Olajuwon juking Robbo is shown when the 95 WCFs are mentioned.
I think Phx needs tomorrow's game if they're gonna win the series (absent of a major Laker injury). I didn't think there was a chance in hell that the Lakers would've played this smoothly against them for 2.75 games in a row.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Gargamel said:
Given the liklihood that that was an offensive foul, I have a feeling it may not quite get the legendary treatment.
vladetomiller
Bench
The same doubt is there for Jordans shot pushing of / beating russel of the dribble to win the game against jazz. That likeliehood is there for many of the great plays and thats what makes them great. I am sure it will get legendary treatment saying that Kobe owned the two time MVP.
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