Starters are good, It's the bench. fix the Bench!

[tyrant]

once again our bench did not take care of business. 6 points and 6 rebounds in over 40 minutes was once again the familiar production that we got out of the entire bench. we were playing great ball going into the 4th, then adelman began making more substitutions. just like that we lose the game by 12. our starters had good games. we don't have anyone that came come off the bench and stabalize the offense when our starters sub out. i believe our starters ARE good enough, but this is like the 5th game our bench has caused us.

 

[KingKong]

Agreed, apart from the lack of defense, our starters are doing ok. They will get better offensively. It's our bench that needs to be fixed asap. We are getting nothing out of them and the starters end up playing way to many mins. I had big hopes for Hart, but what a dissapointment he's been so far. I think KT and Hart need to be packaged somehow. I'm not sure if there will be any takers though. Although martin has been erractic, I still have high hopes for him. I think he just needs a couple of more games under his belt to get more consistency. Skinner NEEDS to see more PT.

 

[Ryle]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the starters mostly responsible for the 4th quarter collapse???

Call me stupid but a 17-0 run had a little to do with the loss, that and Peja airballing a wide-open 3 point shot

 

[D-Mass]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the starters mostly responsible for the 4th quarter collapse???

Call me stupid but a 17-0 run had a little to do with the loss, that and Peja airballing a wide-open 3 point shot

Yes, the starters collapsed in the 4th...but it's STILL because of the bench. As stated in the second post, our starters played WAY too many minutes last night, especially in the second half. Last night was a great example of what happens to an exhausted bunch of starters. The bench has got to produce.

 

[tyrant]

garcia takes a wild 3-pointer with the kings up by 9 points in the 3rd quater. with 15 seconds on the shotclock. unacceptable!

 

[Ryle]

Yes, the starters collapsed in the 4th...but it's STILL because of the bench. As stated in the second post, our starters played WAY too many minutes last night, especially in the second half. Last night was a great example of what happens to an exhausted bunch of starters. The bench has got to produce.

I agree about the bench but do we really need a whole new thread dedicated to how ****ty our bench is??? This loss wasn't really about the bench and that's my point.

 

[piksi]

Call me stupid but a 17-0 run had a little to do with the loss, that and Peja airballing a wide-open 3 point shot

With a shotclock running down and D. Anderson in his face is hardly "wide open" Now Pedja might be responsible for many airballs in his career - some of them very famous. The one from the last night was Brad Miller's fault.

 

[D-Mass]

I agree about the bench but do we really need a whole new thread dedicated to how ****ty our bench is??? This loss wasn't really about the bench and that's my point.

Wait...I just said the loss WAS about the bench, and I thought you agreed...

BUT, you're right...we've got enough "our bench sucks" threads.

 

[Ryle]

Wait...I just said the loss WAS about the bench, and I thought you agreed...

BUT, you're right...we've got enough "our bench sucks" threads.

It's early and I really don't know what I said. Our bench does suck and they were a factor in the loss but our starters were the ones who choked in the 4th.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

When your bench contributes SIX points and you don't lose by 20, then yes, the loss can be attributed to the bench.

 

[AriesMar27]

I agree about the bench but do we really need a whole new thread dedicated to how ****ty our bench is??? This loss wasn't really about the bench and that's my point.

yes.... yes we do..... this bench is just oh so wrong.... too bad we cant trade hart and someone else to memphis for bobby jackson, i know that we've been there and done that but he would single handedly out score our entire bench in half the time....

 

[BK_KingsFan7]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the starters mostly responsible for the 4th quarter collapse???

Call me stupid but a 17-0 run had a little to do with the loss, that and Peja airballing a wide-open 3 point shot

The reason we collapsed was because the bench came in and didn't provide anything at all which caused us to lose our momentum.

 

[Padrino]

everybody wants to be able to point a finger at a specific reason for why the kings are losing. peja, adelman, the bench, the lack of energy...these are all part of a greater imbalance. the team needs to be reconstructed from the ground up, and that includes--but is not exclusive to--the bench.

 

[igotthefear]

the kings don't need any scorers off the bench (even though it would be nice), they just need some energy guys and some guys to play d. the bench is terrible, no scoring, no d and no energy. i think adelman should give kenny thomas' minutes to corlis williamson. granted he has not played well lately, but he didn't earn the nickname 'the big nasty' for nothing.

 

[nbrans]

I think Adelman is out of combinations to try with the bench. He's tried every single one. Put Corliss in, put KT in, put Skinner in..... it doesn't matter, not one bench player has been earning their keep. I suppose he has to keep trying until someone steps up, but I don't think you could really make the case that Adelman hasn't given every single player up and down the roster a chance to prove himself.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Agreed. Bench is atrocious. After the bench comes Adelman. After that I might put Peja for inconsistencies, but I think Peja can do better under another coach who can best free him up and utilize him..

 

[Padrino]

Agreed. Bench is atrocious. After the bench comes Adelman. After that I might put Peja for inconsistencies, but I think Peja can do better under another coach who can best free him up and utilize him..

i can only laugh at that statement. the adelman/petrie/carril system is the only system for peja. the princeton offense is the system in which peja can get open for the only thing he is good at: making shots. it was a system designed to "free up" good shooters like peja. if peja can't thrive in the princeton offense--the offense that gives players the most freedom out of any offense run in this league--then peja isnt thriving anywhere under any coach.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think Adelman is out of combinations to try with the bench. He's tried every single one. Put Corliss in, put KT in, put Skinner in..... it doesn't matter, not one bench player has been earning their keep. I suppose he has to keep trying until someone steps up, but I don't think you could really make the case that Adelman hasn't given every single player up and down the roster a chance to prove himself.

That is the baffling thing.

Our bench looked awkward to me from the beginning, but there were always going to be solid NBA guys there. Having one or two guys fail off the bench would have been predictable, but so you just shift over to others -- deep bench in theory. But one or two guys haven't been failing, the whole damn bench has been failing together! That's just hard to understand.

Even when we mix them in with the starters we're lucky when a bench guy gives us even a mediocre performance. Even doesn't hurt us. And I can probably count the total numebr of off the bench impact performacnes this season on one hand -- and that's one hand for the entire bench.

Whatever happens with the starters, who seem mismatched and have critical weaknesses, they at least have talent and have shown flashes. But the bench....how could you NOT make a move to shore up that bench? They have shown absolutely completely nothing. If it weren't for the names on the backs of the jerseys, and you just walked in for the first time and watched them play, you would laugh at us as having the most pathetic NBDL bench in the league. It drives me up the wall as a fan -- if I were the coach I'd probably be throwing things.

 

[tyrant]

watching the game i notice jamal sampson over there in his suit and tie. is he really that bad?

 

[Kings113]

watching the game i notice jamal sampson over there in his suit and tie. is he really that bad?

No. The guy played 2 minutes this season (end of the Denver road loss), and played 17 minutes total in the pre-season.

I'd personally like to see him play.

It's seriously clear, and addition or two needs to be done to the bench (on the topic of the bench).

 

[BMiller52]

That is the baffling thing.

Our bench looked awkward to me from the beginning, but there were always going to be solid NBA guys there. Having one or two guys fail off the bench would have been predictable, but so you just shift over to others -- deep bench in theory. But one or two guys haven't been failing, the whole damn bench has been failing together! That's just hard to understand.

Even when we mix them in with the starters we're lucky when a bench guy gives us even a mediocre performance. Even doesn't hurt us. And I can probably count the total numebr of off the bench impact performacnes this season on one hand -- and that's one hand for the entire bench.

Whatever happens with the starters, who seem mismatched and have critical weaknesses, they at least have talent and have shown flashes. But the bench....how could you NOT make a move to shore up that bench? They have shown absolutely completely nothing. If it weren't for the names on the backs of the jerseys, and you just walked in for the first time and watched them play, you would laugh at us as having the most pathetic NBDL bench in the league. It drives me up the wall as a fan -- if I were the coach I'd probably be throwing things.

Forget the coach throwing things, last night I was throwing things. OK I wasn't but I came VERY close.

 

[Wuster]

That is the baffling thing.

Our bench looked awkward to me from the beginning, but there were always going to be solid NBA guys there. Having one or two guys fail off the bench would have been predictable, but so you just shift over to others -- deep bench in theory. But one or two guys haven't been failing, the whole damn bench has been failing together! That's just hard to understand.

Even when we mix them in with the starters we're lucky when a bench guy gives us even a mediocre performance. Even doesn't hurt us. And I can probably count the total numebr of off the bench impact performacnes this season on one hand -- and that's one hand for the entire bench.

Whatever happens with the starters, who seem mismatched and have critical weaknesses, they at least have talent and have shown flashes. But the bench....how could you NOT make a move to shore up that bench? They have shown absolutely completely nothing. If it weren't for the names on the backs of the jerseys, and you just walked in for the first time and watched them play, you would laugh at us as having the most pathetic NBDL bench in the league. It drives me up the wall as a fan -- if I were the coach I'd probably be throwing things.

Yep, the bench performance has been, well, pathetic. Once in a great while, we've seen a decent performance from the likes of KT. Even KMart had a good game. But overall, it's been dismal.

 

[hoops4kings]

I'd take the Monarch bench over the this Kings bench.

I don't know if I've ever seen a worse bench in pro b-ball. They just don't provide anything, besides inconsistentsy.

Maybe the Kings should sign Rupe the Hoop to a 10 day contract and let him play the point to back up Bibby. He could probably score as much as Hart. LOL!

 

[tyrant]

a 10 year old virgin could score more than our bench

 

[Padrino]

a 10 year old virgin could score more than our bench

there are 10 year olds out there who aren't virgins?

 

[KingCookie]

O, how I long for the days of the Bench Mob...when our bench was just as potent as our starters...how did we let all those pieces slip away so easily??

Corliss tries to pack his minutes in, and he makes bonehead mistakes as a result, racking up fouls. Gives us a low post game, but can't stay in the game.

Skinner fumbles the ball around and racks up way too many silly fouls to give anyone a decent rest. One good thing- he's almost a shot blocker!

KT has been clanking shots left and right. My belief is he's trying too hard to regain his starting spot...which, IMO, he rightfully lost out to Reef.

Jason Hart is an ocean of unproductivity. I don't get why he even plays.

Cisco, a rookie, is probably the most consistent- but then you have to toss in the rookie mistakes- see last night's ill-timed 30-footer.

K-Mart is either on or off, there seems to be no in between. And he pulled a big no-no with Adelman, talking to the media.

 

[PFFFT!!]

there are 10 year olds out there who aren't virgins?

he meant to say 10 year old virgin olive oils can score more. eerrr...yes thats it.

 

[D-Mass]

there are 10 year olds out there who aren't virgins?

I'm a junior high teacher...the answer is no.

 

[BigWaxer]

^^ What? Did this thread just take a very bad twist. Guess Chico is different then cities to the south.

 

[natedizzle]

starters have little chemistry, are unathletic, slow, and cannot play D. Bench is worse. We need to clean house