Sources: Seth Curry to decline option with Kings (Yahoo Sports)

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How much will Curry get? He's a combo guard who doesn't have the handling abilities to be a PG yet. He only got real burn at the end of the season in garbage games. How much stock can we put into that?
 
Not surprised to see him take this course of action because he can certainly get paid. The question is, will the Kings try to sign him to a new deal before anyone else tries to? Will we let him test the market and match any sensible offer that comes his way? Or will we simply let him move on and focus on other targets?

It is going to be interesting to see how Vlade deals with this.
 
206Fan said:
How much will Curry get? He's a combo guard who doesn't have the handling abilities to be a PG yet. He only got real burn at the end of the season in garbage games. How much stock can we put into that?
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I tell you what, and I'll go to the bank with this: he'll be offered more than the $1M that's left on his option.
 
SacKings384 said:
$5-$8 million most likely.
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Woah..I know the cap is going up, but that's a lot for someone as unproven as him. I mean look at what Lin go in his 2nd contract with the hornets. We should see what the market gives him... Joseph got around 7mpy. He was 23, and had 4 years under Pop. Curry is 25 and has had 10-15 good games this season. I don't know...
 
206Fan said:
Woah..I know the cap is going up, but that's a lot for someone as unproven as him. I mean look at what Lin go in his 2nd contract with the hornets. We should see what the market gives him... Joseph got around 7mpy. He was 23, and had 4 years under Pop. Curry is 25 and has had 10-15 good games this season. I don't know...
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Will Barton deal seems perfect here. A guy who had a good stretch at the end of the year and the team he played for rewards it with a long-term deal for the upside.
 
SacKings384 said:
$5-$8 million most likely.
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I really doubt somebody throws that at such an unproven guy.

If they do we probably just have to say, well, good luck. Its more than DC earns. On the other hand if somebody tries to nab him for $3mil per I hope we consider matching him. He's little, but he's still basically the best young(ish) SG we've brought in since the Maloofs were still here.
 
He was absolutely shut down the instant competent teams focused on him (OKC 2nd half, Houston).

Let someone else overpay for his limited NBA talents - if we sign him for anything over $3, it will likely bite the Kings in the butt before his contract is up.
 
IfAt1st said:
He was absolutely shut down the instant competent teams focused on him (OKC 2nd half, Houston).
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It's a lot easier to "shut a guy down" and "focus" on him, when nobody else is playing. One presumes that, when we're playing our full complement, there aren't going to be too many coaches going with the "focus on Seth Curry" defensive strategy. FWIW, Curry's numbers look very solid in games where Cousins and Gay and/or Rondo also played.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
It's a lot easier to "shut a guy down" and "focus" on him, when nobody else is playing. One presumes that, when we're playing our full complement, there aren't going to be too many coaches going with the "focus on Seth Curry" defensive strategy. FWIW, Curry's numbers look very solid in games where Cousins and Gay and/or Rondo also played.
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Indeed!

I'm not expecting him to be our PG of the future or anything, but he can definitely be a bench spark plug. I wouldn't overpay, but I don't think we'll have to.
 
I think the kid is going to get more than just a 3 mill per deal.....unproven, but he can shoot. That skill is going to get rewarded. I'm thinking 5 mill per.
 
IfAt1st said:
He was absolutely shut down the instant competent teams focused on him (OKC 2nd half, Houston).

Let someone else overpay for his limited NBA talents - if we sign him for anything over $3, it will likely bite the Kings in the butt before his contract is up.
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So? If we put this in terms of our 00's team, in the Rockets game, we basically sat Webber, Vlade, Peja, Bibby and Christie and told Bobby Jackson to go run the offense with Scott Pollard and Lawrence Funderburke as his weapons to help. Just not the kind of player he is.

What he did show was he can be an excellent complemntary piece and provide great spacing/scoring next to high usage guys. Also surprised us with some solid playmaking ability.

I'd probably draw the line at $5mil/season. It's a gamble for sure, but if Seth does indeed prove to be a valuable rotational player, $5mil becomes a total bargain of a deal.
 
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Look, I know this is comparing apples to oranges, but Matt Barnes is making $3.5 mil this year, and he's a hell of a lot more of a valuable rotational player than Curry will ever be.

$5million a year is not chump-change.... that's the amount that key vets are picked up with on good teams that propel them to the playoffs.
 
I think the key about him being shut down was that he was playing PG. And I continue to have doubts he's any sort of NBA level PG if an NBA level PG defender gets into him.

A ceiling for a short/tweener SG s relatively low, but in the "modern' chucktastic NBA you see those guys on a lot of teams, and there are relatively few punishing offensive SGs to take them in the post ala a Jordan or Mitch from back in the day. At that position he has if not a quickness advantage, at least good enough quickness and if he's smothered it doesn't kill your whole offense. Your PG absolutely has to be able to break pressure or your offense is dead. If your SG cannot, you can just go elsewhere for scoring.
 
I think a lot of you are underestimating the cap next year. Mike Conley, for example, is slated to get the max from the Grizzlies. He'll be making $23 million a season next year more than likely. $8 is a stretch for sure. But I don't see $5 as being out of the realm of possibility.

I also think that he'll take, say, 3 years $15 million from the Kings. Or he'll take a 1 year deal (which the Kings will match) at a smaller amount. I don't envision him taking a longer term deal at a low pricepoint.
 
Curry is exactly the kind of player you surround Cousins with. He can shoot the rock, he has a great feel for the game, he can handle and pass, doesn't turn the ball over much, and he defends. Is he perfect? No, god didn't bless him with all the same attributes his brother ended up with, but he got enough of them to be a good to solid rotational player on a competitive team. But the question seems to be, what is he worth. The simple answer is whatever the market will bear, and unfortunately we don't know what that figure is yet. And the best way to find out, is to let him test the market.

The argument against Curry seems to be that the sample size is too small, because you can't argue with his results. He ended up the best shooter on the team last season, and he was consistent whether he played 10 or 12 minutes, or he played 30 minutes. He only had one bad game, his last, and he was being defended by a player that I think is the best PG defender in the league, not to mention that Houston had seen what he had done in the previous game, and they were determined he wasn't going to do that against them. I don't discount that game, but I do understand the circumstances.

If you look at Curry's competition on his own team, it would appear he was dramatically underpaid.

Belinelli: 30.6% 3pp - $6,060,606.00
McLemore: 34.6% 3pp - $3,156,600.00
Anderson: 26.7% 3pp - $1,015,421.00
Rondo: 36.5% 3pp - $9,500,000.00
Collison: 40.1% 3pp - $5,013,559.00
Curry: 45.0% 3pp - $947,276.00

Curry was caught in a catch 22 all year. He wasn't played because he hadn't proved himself, but then he couldn't prove himself, because he couldn't play. And now, some want to penalize him again for something he had no control over, because when he did have control, he proved to be a damm good player. How's this, I think he should make more money than whomever we draft in the coming draft, because I can guarantee you that next year, Curry will be a better player than that draft pick. Long term, I can't speak to. I'm not saying throw the bank at him, or over pay him. Hell, right now, with the new cap, we don't really know what over paying looks like. 5 mil sounds like a lot, but after the smoke clears next oct, it may look like chump change. I hope we find a way to retain him. A way that makes sense for the Kings, and for Curry.
 
bajaden said:
Curry is exactly the kind of player you surround Cousins with. He can shoot the rock, he has a great feel for the game, he can handle and pass, doesn't turn the ball over much, and he defends. Is he perfect? No, god didn't bless him with all the same attributes his brother ended up with, but he got enough of them to be a good to solid rotational player on a competitive team. But the question seems to be, what is he worth. The simple answer is whatever the market will bear, and unfortunately we don't know what that figure is yet. And the best way to find out, is to let him test the market.

The argument against Curry seems to be that the sample size is too small, because you can't argue with his results. He ended up the best shooter on the team last season, and he was consistent whether he played 10 or 12 minutes, or he played 30 minutes. He only had one bad game, his last, and he was being defended by a player that I think is the best PG defender in the league, not to mention that Houston had seen what he had done in the previous game, and they were determined he wasn't going to do that against them. I don't discount that game, but I do understand the circumstances.

If you look at Curry's competition on his own team, it would appear he was dramatically underpaid.

Belinelli: 30.6% 3pp - $6,060,606.00
McLemore: 34.6% 3pp - $3,156,600.00
Anderson: 26.7% 3pp - $1,015,421.00
Rondo: 36.5% 3pp - $9,500,000.00
Collison: 40.1% 3pp - $5,013,559.00
Curry: 45.0% 3pp - $947,276.00

Curry was caught in a catch 22 all year. He wasn't played because he hadn't proved himself, but then he couldn't prove himself, because he couldn't play. And now, some want to penalize him again for something he had no control over, because when he did have control, he proved to be a damm good player. How's this, I think he should make more money than whomever we draft in the coming draft, because I can guarantee you that next year, Curry will be a better player than that draft pick. Long term, I can't speak to. I'm not saying throw the bank at him, or over pay him. Hell, right now, with the new cap, we don't really know what over paying looks like. 5 mil sounds like a lot, but after the smoke clears next oct, it may look like chump change. I hope we find a way to retain him. A way that makes sense for the Kings, and for Curry.
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I don't know exactly when you "overpay" as it is an amorphous term. I am sure that word will enter the conversation when discussing what Curry is worth. If we have to make a choice between Curry and Acy, I want Curry. Curry fits our/my team's goal. He is a long distance shooter and Boogie needs several. I would not let Curry go as we can match any offer unless an absurd offer comes in. I doubt the latter because of his last game.

I don't want to see Acy go either but I wouldn't offer anything near what others would call overpaying. He has value and for some reason, perhaps Karl, he showed it last year.

Maybe this is for another thread but I find myself wondering if Gay's lackluster play and Belinelli's absolute loss of a shot was influenced in some way by Karl. Remember what Karl did to Butler.
 
Glenn said:
I don't know exactly when you "overpay" as it is an amorphous term. I am sure that word will enter the conversation when discussing what Curry is worth. If we have to make a choice between Curry and Acy, I want Curry. Curry fits our/my team's goal. He is a long distance shooter and Boogie needs several. I would not let Curry go as we can match any offer unless an absurd offer comes in. I doubt the latter because of his last game.

I don't want to see Acy go either but I wouldn't offer anything near what others would call overpaying. He has value and for some reason, perhaps Karl, he showed it last year.

Maybe this is for another thread but I find myself wondering if Gay's lackluster play and Belinelli's absolute loss of a shot was influenced in some way by Karl. Remember what Karl did to Butler.
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Hard to say about Belinelli. In the past he was a very good shooter when he spotted up in a catch and shoot situation. We had him moving and coming off screens and shooting. That's a lot harder shot to make, and even though he was used that way in the world championships, and was fairly successful, it didn't work for us. So who knows, maybe with a different coach and a different system, he might revert back to the old Belinelli. Fact is, that unless we trade him, were stuck with him next season.

I share your feelings about Acy. I'd love to have him back, but at the right price. At this point, we have a bigger need for a good outside shooter (Curry), than we do an athletic, but undersized PF. The way I look at it, is that Curry falls more under the necessity umbrella, and Acy falls under the luxury umbrella.
 
bajaden said:
Hard to say about Belinelli. In the past he was a very good shooter when he spotted up in a catch and shoot situation. We had him moving and coming off screens and shooting. That's a lot harder shot to make, and even though he was used that way in the world championships, and was fairly successful, it didn't work for us. So who knows, maybe with a different coach and a different system, he might revert back to the old Belinelli. Fact is, that unless we trade him, were stuck with him next season.

I share your feelings about Acy. I'd love to have him back, but at the right price. At this point, we have a bigger need for a good outside shooter (Curry), than we do an athletic, but undersized PF. The way I look at it, is that Curry falls more under the necessity umbrella, and Acy falls under the luxury umbrella.
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I doubt if we could get much in trade for Belinelli. There is a huge question mark over last year's performance by him. Maybe keep him and see what happens with another coach. If he returned to his old style, he'd fit into this team very well. I don't guarantee anything as it appears someone stole the old Belinelli and no one knows where he is. Hopefully Marco knows and will share the info with Vlade. :)
 
If Marco can regain his deadly shooting that would leave 3 players on this roster that can shoot over 40% from 3 (Marco, Seth, Darren). Realistically, 2 of those can be on the floor at the same time in important minutes. That would be a blessing.
 
Glenn said:
I doubt if we could get much in trade for Belinelli. There is a huge question mark over last year's performance by him. Maybe keep him and see what happens with another coach. If he returned to his old style, he'd fit into this team very well. I don't guarantee anything as it appears someone stole the old Belinelli and no one knows where he is. Hopefully Marco knows and will share the info with Vlade. :)
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Agreed, no point in trying to trade Marco right now with his value so low. Just have to suck it up and hope he bounces back next season. But I don't think there's any way you can come back with the SG rotation the same.
 
One of the biggest signs that point to a HUGE problem with this roster is the fact that James freaking Anderson actually played over 14 minutes a game!
 
IfAt1st said:
One of the biggest signs that point to a HUGE problem with this roster is the fact that James freaking Anderson actually played over 14 minutes a game!
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Let's not oversell this. He was #11 in overall minutes, and if Curry were healthy for two more games he might have been #12. When you're talking about huge problems on the roster you probably need to look a bit further than one of the guys that's third in the depth chart.
 
The_Jamal said:
for 15 good games? noooo

I think a 3 year/$10 mil sort of deal is very likely from us. Teams just aren't going to break the bank
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I disagree. With the extra money all teams will have I could see more than that. The fact that he closed the season strong and showed some seriously intriguing flashes, and the fact that he is a Curry and teams may factor that in too, could lead to an overpay. I wouldn't be surprised if he is offered a 3 year 21 million dollar deal.
 
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