Some Bagley love..
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Well, it might be they want Bagley for free and are smart enough to wait for the Kings to Papa G him. There is no way the Kings can fit all the players factored into the rotation right now into the actual rotation unless Walton goes back to his wheel of fortune style of a few games on then a few games off. Which is not an answer. It never is.
Part of the problem is that he's an expiring #2 pick who seems to want to get paid and thinks his current team is hampering him. If he's on a middle of the road 2nd deal that isn't going to break a team, and they get 4 years to get past the injury/slow development that will offset the possibility you might have to pay the guy 20mil plus next year to keep him because he has one good season or even worse finally shows up at the end of the season.
This is a great point. Even teams who might want to gamble on Bagley's potential likely wouldn't want to do so if it means he's a restricted FA at the end of the season and they'd risk either losing him for nothing or possibly matching another team's potential overpay offer.
But if Bagley were signed for four more years at a reasonable number and were able to stay healthy and put up improved numbers he is probably viewed as a better trade asset. Heck, it also potentially makes him a player the Kings would be willing to keep around.
The problems are that (1) Bagley isn't likely to sign that sort of deal (2) he hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy yet and (3) so far Marvin has shown only marginal improvements in years 2 & 3 so I don't think it's likely that he makes a leap in year 4.
As I've said, I will continue to root for Bagley as long as he's a King and it's the best case scenario for the Kings if he improves significantly this season, but I largely see the same player now as his rookie season. He's improved his outside shot, and in a small sample size this preseason he looks a bit better defensively, but he's still largely a talented interior scorer and a gifted though not fundamental rebounder who doesn't really impact winning. I don't mean this as derisively as it probably sounds, but he's primarily a garbage scorer who leaks out for easy buckets and looks for his own shot while still having defensive lapses which allows easy baskets and largely negates what he does well on the other end.
The Lakers game may be an anomaly or it may be a sign of things to come. If it's the latter it means that the Kings are focused on making the playoffs and Bagley isn't seen as a key part of that goal and that the team is past the point of sacrificing potential wins to develop their former #2 pick.
If that's the case, a $12.5 million/year extension for Bagley may look like wishful thinking at the end of this season.
But if Bagley were signed for four more years at a reasonable number and were able to stay healthy and put up improved numbers he is probably viewed as a better trade asset. Heck, it also potentially makes him a player the Kings would be willing to keep around.
The problems are that (1) Bagley isn't likely to sign that sort of deal (2) he hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy yet and (3) so far Marvin has shown only marginal improvements in years 2 & 3 so I don't think it's likely that he makes a leap in year 4.
As I've said, I will continue to root for Bagley as long as he's a King and it's the best case scenario for the Kings if he improves significantly this season, but I largely see the same player now as his rookie season. He's improved his outside shot, and in a small sample size this preseason he looks a bit better defensively, but he's still largely a talented interior scorer and a gifted though not fundamental rebounder who doesn't really impact winning. I don't mean this as derisively as it probably sounds, but he's primarily a garbage scorer who leaks out for easy buckets and looks for his own shot while still having defensive lapses which allows easy baskets and largely negates what he does well on the other end.
The Lakers game may be an anomaly or it may be a sign of things to come. If it's the latter it means that the Kings are focused on making the playoffs and Bagley isn't seen as a key part of that goal and that the team is past the point of sacrificing potential wins to develop their former #2 pick.
If that's the case, a $12.5 million/year extension for Bagley may look like wishful thinking at the end of this season.
yeah if Bagley has a great injury free year, I assume he could get an extension in this range. WCJ has been awesome when he's on the court, just really struggled with injuries. Bagley's problem is he's had tremendous injury problems, but hasn't been even close to as impactful as WCJ (who I actually really wanted if we were going to stay at 7 in that draft... ugh)
It's an overpay in my opinion also as I'm not totally convinced JJJ is a difference maker at this point, but maybe I'm too focused on rebounding (never mind staying healthy). However, I can understand the logic for Memphis. As a restricted free agent, if JJJ has any sort of solid, healthy season this year, he would almost surely get a bigger offer next summer. He still has the upside of a great contributor for them going forward.
In my mind, maybe the difference between JJJ and Bagley is that I would want to insure JJJ is part of our future (even with some risk), while I am indifferent with Bagley moving forward.
In my mind, maybe the difference between JJJ and Bagley is that I would want to insure JJJ is part of our future (even with some risk), while I am indifferent with Bagley moving forward.
I wonder if Monte truly didn’t make an offer, or if he “lowballed” Bagley’s camp and had an extension rejected.
I’m still rooting for Bagley to turn it around and be a long term, Vlade vindicating, impact player for us. I’m also rooting for my $100 SHIB investment to make me a crypto millionaire by 2025. Not sure which of those has better odds of happening.
I’m still rooting for Bagley to turn it around and be a long term, Vlade vindicating, impact player for us. I’m also rooting for my $100 SHIB investment to make me a crypto millionaire by 2025. Not sure which of those has better odds of happening.
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From my reading, there is a twist in the Bagley qualifying offer. If he doesn't start 41 games, or an average of 41 games over previous two seasons (42 starts last season), then his QO drops to the QO of the 15th pick in his draft class. That would put his QO around $6.5 million.
From my reading, there is a twist in the Bagley qualifying offer. If he doesn't start 41 games, or an average of 41 games over previous two seasons (42 starts last season), then his QO drops to the QO of the 15th pick in his draft class. That would put his QO around $6.5 million.
Players who signed rookie extensions before 2021-22 deadline
https://www.nba.com/news/players-who-signed-rookie-extensions-before-2021-22-deadline
https://www.nba.com/news/players-who-signed-rookie-extensions-before-2021-22-deadline
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