ElRey
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ummm I'm sure Petrie did advise against this... this is not a Petrie move. If Petrie had his choice, Adelman would have still been coaching us.
Smart's contract extended for another year.
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ummm I'm sure Petrie did advise against this... this is not a Petrie move. If Petrie had his choice, Adelman would have still been coaching us.
rhythmless
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Petrie is still the president. If these moves are not to his liking, he can resign and separate himself from the filth. Otherwise, he assumes just as much, if not more, responsibility for this move and the other moves.
kingjatt
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just collecting paychecks.....just another puppet.
HereWeBoogie
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id like to see what happens this year after Smart has a full offseason with the team, see the results next year before making any decisions on his contract......
Bricklayer
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And see that would have been the completely reasonable and rational course of action. Let the unproven coach go out and prove something, THEN extend him. Unfortunately the two Rs are rarely seen in these parts.
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TheWileyVet
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Jebus, what a joke
Sac.1989
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asif you didnt all know this was coming. With our budget this is the best we can do and we all know GP and the Maloofs are a fan of ensuring continuity for whatever reasons. Im fine with it and i just hope that we dont return to small ball.
Seriously this is our reality, we all know what we've been reduced to. Nothing to see here move on. Bring on some games and some real issues to gripe about
Seriously this is our reality, we all know what we've been reduced to. Nothing to see here move on. Bring on some games and some real issues to gripe about
Kingster
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Is this some kind of a sick joke?
I'd be a little more upset if Alex Morgan hadn't put a huge smile on my face for the rest of the day.But, this is how companies go bankrupt. One poor decision after another. If we came out of the gates and had a .500 record heading into Jan, THEN I could understand the extension. But right now is simply not a sound business decision in any way, shape or form.
I don't buy the lame duck status argument, as if we brought in a legit NBA coach with a proven track record, number one it wouldn't be a single year deal with lame duck status entering into the equation, and two I don't see the players quiting on a JVG, Sloan, McMillan, Thibs, Brooks or SVG, all coaches we could ahve or have gone after at certain times, simply because their contracts are coming to and end. Both Brooks and Thibs were on the end of their contracts this past year and I didn't see a hint of anyone quiting on OKC or Chi. The only time you have to worry about lame duck status is when you haven't invested in a quality coach with a track record, and instead are worried that your middling coach who isn't winning at a higher rate might lose some respect.
Maybe this works, only time will tell. but if we don't defend, rotations/lineups are botched/ sub par and we're not winning at a rate significantly higher than what Westy did with a fraction of the talent we have now, Smarts contract extension won't matter and the players will quit and there will be problems, and we'll end up where we always seem to be post-Adelman, firing a coach, eating his contract and paying another replacement at the same time.
That's exactly why it's a good move. They fit your criteria: The Kings don't have a good track record and the coach hasn't established himself as a proven winner. In essence, ownership is paying a year of their coache's salary to prevent the media from having this as a front burner issue. In my view, it has a lot less to do with an endorsement of Smart than the prevention of possible drip drip drip of the media questioning of Smart's coaching status during the year. If the Maloofs want to get another coach, it will cost them an extra year in salary. That's probably a small price to pay for the aggravation that could arise without the extension. Of course, if the Kings did have a coach with a proven track record, they probably wouldn't have to do this measure. But, that's not the case, so this move makes some sense.
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Kingsguy881
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Riiiiight, you don't like the moves your company is making? Then quit! Who needs a paycheck? Foolishness, go ahead and change your handle.
rhythmless
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In essence, yes. Petrie isn't a janitor who works for the kings. His name is on every move. His reputation is on the line with every move. If he is truly a good gm that is hampered by the Maloofs, then he use have resigned and instantly gotten other offers. Remember, at one point he was a 2 time gm of the year. He will have other offers. again, this is assuming he didn't make all of these mediocre to bad moves.
As for a paycheck, he's been paid millions and is a relatively low key guy. Hell manage for few months or even a year off if he has to. Its not like he's collecting food stamps afterwards. But I'm sure the Maloofs know a guy.
At this level, or even lower levels, integrity and reputation exceed a paycheck, especially if you can get another job fairly quickly. Bt now, with all the blood of lost seasons on is hands, I'm not sure what job he could get. All I'm saying is, if he gets the praise he should get the criticism. As long as he's got the job he is responsible.
Change my handle? My name? My hand? My grip? I don't even know what you're talking about.
Hadlowe
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Honestly, this doesn't strike me as a bad move. In my humble opinion, 2012-2013 is not a must-win season for the Kings. If the team can put it together and make a push for .500 or even one of the 7th or 8th seed spots, that is good, but not necessary. The thing the Kings HAVE to do is get a playoff caliber team put together for 2013-2014 to keep Cousins in a Kings jersey.
With that in mind, Smart's status as a cheap head coach makes a contract extension a low risk, high reward move. Smart clearly has some cachet with his players, and especially with Cousins. If Smart can put a winning team together, the Kings get a second year of an up-and-coming head coach on the cheap.
If Smart does not make much progress or the team falls behind some of the other rising squads in the west, you can fire him without taking too much of a hit in the pocketbook.
Of course, I'd still rather see Sloan or McMillan take a turn at the helm with this squad, but I can at least see some rationale behind the decision.
With that in mind, Smart's status as a cheap head coach makes a contract extension a low risk, high reward move. Smart clearly has some cachet with his players, and especially with Cousins. If Smart can put a winning team together, the Kings get a second year of an up-and-coming head coach on the cheap.
If Smart does not make much progress or the team falls behind some of the other rising squads in the west, you can fire him without taking too much of a hit in the pocketbook.
Of course, I'd still rather see Sloan or McMillan take a turn at the helm with this squad, but I can at least see some rationale behind the decision.
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Kingsguy881
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When was the last time a GM quit because he felt his reputation was going to be tarnished?
rainmaker
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Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/07/4699487/smart-kings-heddy-ijs-here.html#storylink=cpy
Well, Petrie fully backs this move, so no reason to defend him. It was either the right decision or the wrong one, and only time will tell. However, if it does turn out to be the wrong decision, then when Smart gets canned Petrie must go with him. But if it turns out well, obviously we'll be heading in the right direction towards the playoffs and there'd be no reason to make changes in that scenario.
Plus, after an off season of Smart/Petrie working together and spending up to the cap limit, there are no excuses. They filled out this roster how they both see fit, and both currently back the run and gun system. We either start winning and march towards postseason play, and we're all happy, or it doesn't work out well in which case both need to hit the door.
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rhythmless
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When was the last time a GM had his balls cut off by the owner for 6 years?
It's not about tarnishing, it's about losing credibility until you are unemployable. Geoff may be fine with it, and that's fine. He's resigned himself to the sinking ship. But he takes the punishment for the moves, that's all I'm saying. I don't understand why you can't comprehend this angle.
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Kingsguy881
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I can't comprehend that angle because it is juvenile and short sighted. Why would someone quit a job before having something else lined up that was better, or at least the same if it was just due to 'working conditions'? I would hope you would have heard that Portland has had interest in him, if he was so disgruntled he would have left.
I'm not adverse to putting part of the blame on him, but really, next time you don't agree with your boss then maybe you should just quit your job eh.
rhythmless
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No, you don't comprehend it because you lack the mental capacity to, or you are just a good troll. if my boss gave me decision making powers along with the title, then kept overriding me for 6 years while still using my name on the letterhead, I would quit. I'm assuming you would stay and take your paycheck while getting neutered for your career. I wouldn't. Diff strokes I guess.
Keith smart has a great relationship with Cuz and IT and not sure about Reke and crew? but I assume the cuz relationship and his future free agency definitely had a lot to do with the extension. also I hope he figures it out lineup wise this year, I think he did a lot better last year then westphal so this year we will see. if it helps resign Cuz for a max 6-7 year deal then totally worth it.
Rookie
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I doubt that the Maloofs overriding GP decisions but more or less limited the amount of spending he could work with. But that is just speculations.
Personally if the Maloofs (boss) is happy with GP then obviously he is doing something right. In the end when it comes to moving from job to job, the guy with the best recommendation from their previous boss stand out. Quitting is no different from giving up, meaning if GP quit, his name would be tarnished among other owners. And in the end it's not the fans that would hire GM but the owners.
Whether we agree or disagree on the decisions GP made..we know one thing...we don't know jack when it comes to the relationship between the Maloofs and GP. But so far, I think the Maloofs still like GP and while I don't know how much that weigh on other owners decision, I believe it does have some. Plus GP still has a good rep among GM and as stated, there is a team that is interested in him.
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It's easier for you to go from Burger King to Taco Bell than Petrie to leave a job that has only 30 positions total.
Integrity and reputation?
IMO, Petrie does not have that. He can say one thing and do another thing and some fans (Petrie Cult members) will still believe in him and defend his moves no matter how clear he messed-up and how long he's been doing it. He can say we need a big who can block shots and shooters and then get players not known having those skills and he can get a pass.
And why would Petrie resign when he is in that very convenient situation here in Sacramento?
He messes-up.
No problem.
It is the fault of the Maloofs, the coach, or the players.
You already quoted rhythmless and yet you still didn't get what he was talking about. Unbelievable.
Plus- the other 29 positions will require him to work harder and fans and owners will hold him accountable for all his moves.
So, why would Petrie leave his job in Sacramento?
IfAt1st
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As I said the day Smart got his first extension: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
He isn't remotely qualified to implement a serious NBA offensive or defensive scheme, his substitutions and line-ups are baffling (though he has excuses there because he can only work with the roster he's got), he is a terrible judge of talent (he was the coach that sat Jeremy Lin on the bench and never even gave him a chance), and he doesn't remotely coax execution from his team. The Kings were one of the worst-performing teams in crunchtime situations last year.
This shows that the Kings organization is committed to failing, and IMO it's becoming more and more deliberate and purposeful.
Without a serious, proven NBA coach this team is going nowhere. Now they've almost guaranteed no proven vet coach will come in and take over in the crucial 2013/2014 year, since they won't want to oust a existing coach and the Maloofs won't want to double pay the coach position.
I just don't see the Kings turning this team around with Keith Smart as the coach.
If I'm right (and I hope I'm wrong), this extension may have just doomed the Kings future in Sacramento. (Which is what I believe the Maloofs want)
He isn't remotely qualified to implement a serious NBA offensive or defensive scheme, his substitutions and line-ups are baffling (though he has excuses there because he can only work with the roster he's got), he is a terrible judge of talent (he was the coach that sat Jeremy Lin on the bench and never even gave him a chance), and he doesn't remotely coax execution from his team. The Kings were one of the worst-performing teams in crunchtime situations last year.
This shows that the Kings organization is committed to failing, and IMO it's becoming more and more deliberate and purposeful.
Without a serious, proven NBA coach this team is going nowhere. Now they've almost guaranteed no proven vet coach will come in and take over in the crucial 2013/2014 year, since they won't want to oust a existing coach and the Maloofs won't want to double pay the coach position.
I just don't see the Kings turning this team around with Keith Smart as the coach.
If I'm right (and I hope I'm wrong), this extension may have just doomed the Kings future in Sacramento. (Which is what I believe the Maloofs want)
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Kingsguy881
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Whatever homie, you have no idea of my mental capacity. Make some sense next time and I won't have to berate your posts. There are a limited number of GM positions in the NBA and if there is a better offer for Petrie you best believe he will jump on it. As far as we know, the only limitation the Maloofs have put on Petrie is monetarily. So for you to speculate like you know what is going on is asinine. You don't know what is going on, so I refuse to listen to you and thats why I called you out on it. Grow up.
bajaden
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It appears that this conversation has degenerated into a referedum on Petrie. Going so far as to say he should just give up his job, rather than endure the limitations put on him by the Maloofs. Easy for someone on the outside to say from the comfort of his own home. I'm always amazed how cavalier we are with others lives. This isn't as easy as being a used car salesman, and changing dealerships. Your kids aren't changing schools, towns or states in that instance.
When I was 30 or 40 years old, I leaped at every opportunity available, and when I did change jobs, I always had another job to go to in advance. When you get older, your mindset changes. Your tired of the grind, and your looking for stability to some extent. And if you find that, your reluctant to just throw it away. I do know Petrie a little bit. I sat next to him at some Sacramento Capitol games. I spoke with him at summer league. I know he loves sacramento, and there's probably only one other town that he finds as attractive, and thats Portland. Unfortunately he doesn't have a job in Portland, and I doubt one will be offered. Lest anyone forget, he didn't leave on the best of terms with ownership there. He gave up his job in support of Adelman.
Petrie is big on loyality, and staying the course. And while on the surface he appears to be a laid back easy going nice guy, you'll find he can be quite ruthless if you betray that loyality. Your either on team Petrie, or your not. There's no inbetween. Thats why, in part, you never hear of the deals that didn't come to fruition. He won't bandy players names around in the press until he knows for a fact that a deal is done. And he then always tries to make sure the player, or players hear it from him first, and not on Sportscenter. For that same reason, he'll never blame anyone else for his successes or failures. My point is, its easy for us to throw the Maloof's under the bus, but Petrie won't. Rightly or wrongly, he's just not into the deferrment business.
Now none of this has anything to do with the decisions he or the orginization have made. It doesn't really matter who made them, the result doesn't change or improve with internal knowledge. I was taught at a young age, to never point my finger of blame at anyone. Especially if I first wet it and stick it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. So I try not to play the blame game. Which doesn't mean someone isn't accountable. It just means I personally don't have enough information. I guess you can play the buck stops here game. And I suspose thats fair. I mean if you hold the title, it comes with responsibility. So whatever floats your boat. And speaking of boats, I guess I'm not on board with the Petrie lynch mob. I mean, logically, it just doesn't make sense that he's lost all ability to judge talent or know how to put a team together.
On the other hand, I do think that all good things come to an end. That you can, for whatever reason, get stale at your job, and need a change of scenery. In Petrie's case, I think retirement would come before a change of venue. I think he likes his house in the foothills. But hey, I could be wrong. As for Smart, I can understand why management did what they did, and I don't really think its that big a deal. Now if he were making 5 mil a year, then that would be a big deal. But he's not, and if he completely fails, they can always cut their losses and fire him. Actually, they may have made a smart financial move. They currently have him locked into a very cheap contract for the next two years. If they hadn't extended him, and lets say he leads the team to the 8th and final playoff spot this season, or even comes close to the final spot, then suddenly they have to negotiate a new, and logically more expensive contract. So from that prespective, they may have just saved themselves some money.
Its always about money, isn't it? I mean the only difference between the Kings and the Lakers, is that we shop at different stores. The Lakers shop at I. Magnum's and Tiffanys, while the Kings are currently shopping at GoodWill.........
When I was 30 or 40 years old, I leaped at every opportunity available, and when I did change jobs, I always had another job to go to in advance. When you get older, your mindset changes. Your tired of the grind, and your looking for stability to some extent. And if you find that, your reluctant to just throw it away. I do know Petrie a little bit. I sat next to him at some Sacramento Capitol games. I spoke with him at summer league. I know he loves sacramento, and there's probably only one other town that he finds as attractive, and thats Portland. Unfortunately he doesn't have a job in Portland, and I doubt one will be offered. Lest anyone forget, he didn't leave on the best of terms with ownership there. He gave up his job in support of Adelman.
Petrie is big on loyality, and staying the course. And while on the surface he appears to be a laid back easy going nice guy, you'll find he can be quite ruthless if you betray that loyality. Your either on team Petrie, or your not. There's no inbetween. Thats why, in part, you never hear of the deals that didn't come to fruition. He won't bandy players names around in the press until he knows for a fact that a deal is done. And he then always tries to make sure the player, or players hear it from him first, and not on Sportscenter. For that same reason, he'll never blame anyone else for his successes or failures. My point is, its easy for us to throw the Maloof's under the bus, but Petrie won't. Rightly or wrongly, he's just not into the deferrment business.
Now none of this has anything to do with the decisions he or the orginization have made. It doesn't really matter who made them, the result doesn't change or improve with internal knowledge. I was taught at a young age, to never point my finger of blame at anyone. Especially if I first wet it and stick it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. So I try not to play the blame game. Which doesn't mean someone isn't accountable. It just means I personally don't have enough information. I guess you can play the buck stops here game. And I suspose thats fair. I mean if you hold the title, it comes with responsibility. So whatever floats your boat. And speaking of boats, I guess I'm not on board with the Petrie lynch mob. I mean, logically, it just doesn't make sense that he's lost all ability to judge talent or know how to put a team together.
On the other hand, I do think that all good things come to an end. That you can, for whatever reason, get stale at your job, and need a change of scenery. In Petrie's case, I think retirement would come before a change of venue. I think he likes his house in the foothills. But hey, I could be wrong. As for Smart, I can understand why management did what they did, and I don't really think its that big a deal. Now if he were making 5 mil a year, then that would be a big deal. But he's not, and if he completely fails, they can always cut their losses and fire him. Actually, they may have made a smart financial move. They currently have him locked into a very cheap contract for the next two years. If they hadn't extended him, and lets say he leads the team to the 8th and final playoff spot this season, or even comes close to the final spot, then suddenly they have to negotiate a new, and logically more expensive contract. So from that prespective, they may have just saved themselves some money.
Its always about money, isn't it? I mean the only difference between the Kings and the Lakers, is that we shop at different stores. The Lakers shop at I. Magnum's and Tiffanys, while the Kings are currently shopping at GoodWill.........
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Bravo. Very well said.
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Kingsguy881
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Concur. Just glad ole Baja decided to hang around.
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