Small Forward Logjam

[OptimusRhyme]

I think this is a problem we need to address before the season starts.
We have Noc,Garcia (who both want 25-30 + minutes ) and two youngsters that need playing time in Greene and Casspi.

I'm thinking we need to look to move Noc Or Garcia so we can let Donte and Casspi battle it out for backup minutes. If they get it in there mindset that they are never going to play because there is so many other SF's in front of them they may not develop as good as we want them too. Yes we need Veterans like Noc & Garcia around but I think having one around (preferably Garcia) with Casspi and Donte backing him up will do fine.

We should try and move a SF for a backup center if possible. If not maybe some draft picks and salary dump?
What do you all think on the subject?

 

[LPKingsFan]

Hence my Nocioni for Varejao sign and trade proposal

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Hence my Nocioni for Varejao sign and trade proposal

Eww Varejao.. dont really think im feelin him in a kings uni, he always annoys me when i watch him play lol. But i geuss when you have players like that on your team you like them more. I wonder if Cleveland would do that.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Eww Varejao.. dont really think im feelin him in a kings uni, he always annoys me when i watch him play lol. But i geuss when you have players like that on your team you like them more. I wonder if Cleveland would do that.

They just might. He was important to their playoff run, but now with Shaq and Big Z at the center position, they've got the big bodies covered, and still someone to guard more mobile big men like Rashard Lewis, which they sorely lacked against Orlando in the Eastern Finals. A long shot, perhaps, but they might think Noce could be that guy.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

They just might. He was important to their playoff run, but now with Shaq and Big Z at the center position, they've got the big bodies covered, and still someone to guard more mobile big men like Rashard Lewis, which they sorely lacked against Orlando in the Eastern Finals. A long shot, perhaps, but they might think Noce could be that guy.

True that they do need a SF/PF defender. and with the loss of Pavlovic Nocioni could fill that role aswell. Varejao would be great coming off the bench now that i think about it. Is Vare a free-agent this year or what? I dunno whats up with his status?

 

[Merdiesel]

How would you guys feel about K-Mart and Greene for Luol Deng?

Martin would thrive with a guy like Rose and I've always dugg Deng's game...

 

[LPKingsFan]

True that they do need a SF/PF defender. and with the loss of Pavlovic Nocioni could fill that role aswell. Varejao would be great coming off the bench now that i think about it. Is Vare a free-agent this year or what? I dunno whats up with his status?

He had a player option for something a little over $6 million for 2009-10, and I believe he declined, so he's a free agent.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

How would you guys feel about K-Mart and Greene for Luol Deng?

Martin would thrive with a guy like Rose and I've always dugg Deng's game...

We're giving up way to much in that deal for an injury prone Deng (Martin's scoring is too valuable to this team). Now maybe if it was Garcia & Greene, I would do it. We would have a huge line-up. But still we would have Nocioni in front of Casspi now backing up Deng, with Deng taking starter minutes.

We need to get these young guys under contract (Greene, Casspi) playing time. We are at rock bottom right now so now is the time to give them a chance. We are going to need Martin around if we want to out score any teams. Unless we're getting back a legit scorer.

 

[kingsnation]

How would you guys feel about K-Mart and Greene for Luol Deng?

Martin would thrive with a guy like Rose and I've always dugg Deng's game...

Deng is hurt too much and we need to get more for our best player and a prospect like Greene.

Chicago would do this in a heartbeat.

 

[Amory]

How would you guys feel about K-Mart and Greene for Luol Deng?

Martin would thrive with a guy like Rose and I've always dugg Deng's game...

IMO, that combo is worth more then Deng. Also, like others have said, Deng is hurt too much.

I am not going to even think about trading Greene at this point. Sure, he isn't doing much but if he can find his game then he is going to be an awesome player.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Our SF situation kind of sucks... we have a log jam but none of them can claim to be legitimate starters at this point or at least vital parts of our future team. Whatever we do I think we need to trade Noc and maby a future pick/prospect or something to get an upgrade at SF. Don't ask me who though. Josh Smith... I wish.

 

[Double-K]

Well Noc and Greene can play some PF. (Especially Noc) I'd like to start Garcia/JT and have both Noc/Greene and whoever we end up signing/re-signing to back up SF/PF.

 

[SacTownKid]

Even if Deng had no injury history he isn't the player Kevin is and you really shouldn't trade for him unless fit is the priority.

 

[KingsCitizen]

I don't see a logjam at SF as both Greene and Noc can easily slide to PF and Garcia is a clear backup for Martin at SG.

Current projected lineup:

C - Hawes/Thompson
PF - Thompson/Greene/Nocioni
SF - Nocioni/Greene/Caspi/Garcia
SG - Martin/Garcia/Evans
PG - Evans/Rodriguez/Udrih

This lineup IMO is designed be able to easily survive any unexpected injuries during the season. Which is why we should not rid any of the projected SF as of now.

The position we should address now is at the C.
It's too thin and non-durable as of this time.
I hope Petrie could grab us a big guy either as a Free-agent or maybe with a KT+future pick deal.

 

[Rug King]

There will probably be a trade coming up involving one of them. I guess I'm in the minority but I like Noc. I'd like to see him with the team this year. Green and Casspi aren't ready to start anyway and I'm not sure Green will ever be better than Noc.
Cisco... I like him but to be honest, he's a bench player that can be replaced.

 

[USNAVY15]

Considering the situation the kings are in, I am going to assume that the SF and PG are going to be a hotly contested battle between the players. I have to assume that Nocioni wins the SF and Evans wins the PG. Omri is a rookie and Westphal is green to this team, and unless omri is a prodigy worth his weight in Gold on the court, Wesphal cannot risk alienating Garcia and others who might be hurt if Omri passes them on the depth chart as a rookie. Beno was given his contract with the understanding that he would be coming off the bench eventually. Garcia thinks he is a starter, or 6th man. It would hurt his development if we suddenly went in another direction. Evans whould get a good 30mpp Omri and Brockman might not see very much.

 

[NoBonus]

The only real problem I see is if Casspi outplays Greene for the reserve SF position, what are you going to do with Greene. He is still a good prospect, but there is no floor time for him. May be better to trade talent you do not have the minutes to develop to get some value back. That being said, it will be interesting to see what the Kings do with free agency. If it is anything like years past, we will be seeing a new face no one expected on the team.

 

[NoBonus]

The more you look at the roster as is, you have these guys right now playing for the same minutes:

Casspi, Greene, Brockman... should be interesting.

 

[SacKings7]

You guys seem to be missing that Kevin seems injury prone too, he's gotten injured in every productive season. It's risky to do the Deng deal right now, because we don't know if he'd come back to form, but I'd at least consider it

 

[sidney]

Nocioni

for

Harpring (expiring and may retire this year anyway)
Fesenko


addresses 3 problems - clears up cap space in 2010, minutes for Garcia / Casspi / Greene as SF, and gives us a 22 yo 7' shotblocking rebounder that has shown flashes but hasn't had meaningful minutes yet.

Big rotation of

JT/Hawes/Diogu/Fesenko/Brockman is an interesting one.

 

[kingsnation]

There will probably be a trade coming up involving one of them. I guess I'm in the minority but I like Noc. I'd like to see him with the team this year. Green and Casspi aren't ready to start anyway and I'm not sure Green will ever be better than Noc.
Cisco... I like him but to be honest, he's a bench player that can be replaced.

I actually agree with you. I'm very curious how Noc is going to develop with his teammates in his first full year here. He also fits the new "physical" identity of this team.

I also love Cisco. Honestly, he's one of my top 2 favorite Kings, along with Kevin. But, I do agree that he is easily replaceable.

The dilemma is that Noc and Greene probably have way more trade value than Cisco. The question is, what can we get for them?

But, let's be honest, this "logjam" is a really good problem to have. Many teams don't have even two serviceable SFs.

 

[AriesMar27]

But, let's be honest, this "logjam" is a really good problem to have. Many teams don't have even two serviceable SFs.

how is that a good problem to have? having 4 small forwards with little or no trade value doesnt sound like a good thing. that just means that if/when we trade them they wont bring us any good players in return. whats even worse is that all of their contracts are long term deals. thats fine for greene and omri but nocioni and garcia have long term deals, they arent young and arent starter quality players.

granted, garcia is a 6th man and i dont see where that will be changing any time soon but nocioni? i dont care how tough you guys say he is, he's a waste of space. his toughness doesnt equal wins so how tough could he be? or how valuable is toughness?

 

[Merdiesel]

A team I can really see going after Nocioni is the Spurs...

 

[DoDiGaG0]

1. Garcia is way too weak to play SF, he's a SG that can play against some smaller 3's but generally shouldn't be considered there.

2. Who says Greene is even ready to contribute

3. I doubt Casspi is going over from Israel and can give us any minutes at all, WAY too raw.

4. we might actually give Cisco minutes at the 3 not because he's a legit 3, but because we have no other viable backup at the position yet.

 

[beb0p]

We have Noc, Garcia and two young guys who may or may not be able to contribute. Both young guys can play some PF.

So what logjam?

 

[Kings Faithful]

We have Noc, Garcia and two young guys who may or may not be able to contribute. Both young guys can play some PF.

So what logjam?

Because its impossible to give all of these guys the minutes they need to accurately judge what they are going to bring to us in the future. 1 or 2 of them are going to get shoved to the bench only to see them during the last minute of games. Imagine if Kevin Martin didn't get the minutes at the end of the 06(?) season... I don't think he would have turned out the way he did if he wasn't given that huge opportunity in which he showed he can do it, especially when he hit that game winner against the Spurs. Or it would have taken us longer to discover his potential at least. Right now Greene and Casspi are huge potential guys, especially Greene. If we don't give him any minutes how is going to learn to not be a chucker? And even if he has learned it, how are we going to be able to notice if he isn't playing? I think we need to trade at least 1 of our Small Forwards in order to give everyone the minutes they deserve.

 

[VF21]

Every team has bench riders. It's just the way it goes. If we get rid of a couple of the ones named above, the replacements aren't going to get any more minutes. I'd rather have too many competent players - even if a couple of them don't get enough minutes - than not enough. If they're really that good, they'll get the chance to prove themselves.

 

[bajaden]

Every team has bench riders. It's just the way it goes. If we get rid of a couple of the ones named above, the replacements aren't going to get any more minutes. I'd rather have too many competent players - even if a couple of them don't get enough minutes - than not enough. If they're really that good, they'll get the chance to prove themselves.

Way too much logic here... There's nothing worse than someone who screws up a good debate by making sense...

 

[Kings Faithful]

Every team has bench riders. It's just the way it goes. If we get rid of a couple of the ones named above, the replacements aren't going to get any more minutes. I'd rather have too many competent players - even if a couple of them don't get enough minutes - than not enough. If they're really that good, they'll get the chance to prove themselves.

All I know is that Greene's minutes probably just went down with the Tyreke and Casspi signings and I don't think 8 mpg is enough for either player. Not with our team being the way it is right now. I just don't like benching prospects throughout the season in favor of a aging vet who isn't going to contribute to the future of the team. If Greene and Casspi aren't given enough chances during this season they are going to show little promise which is going to turn them into fresh trade meat going into what will probably be one of the most active offseasons in a while.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Every team has bench riders. It's just the way it goes. If we get rid of a couple of the ones named above, the replacements aren't going to get any more minutes. I'd rather have too many competent players - even if a couple of them don't get enough minutes - than not enough. If they're really that good, they'll get the chance to prove themselves.

Yah but say Greene or Casspi does play better then Noc or Garcia and they are getting the minutes instead. Then We have two guys(Garcia, Noc) that expect to get 25+ minutes a game angry because of there lack of playing. This will then cause them to loose value, Our future SF is not Garcia or Nocioni, We need to get rid of one and start testing the youngins. We could get something solid for Cisco or Nocioni.