SIGN A SHOT BLOCKER thread
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Fear the Putin
Starter
EXPRESSING a need for a shotblocker is by no means a solution
all of you are always complaining about the fact that we are filled with undersized big men who cant do jack squat against the premier big men in the league, yet when I say " we need a shot blocker" you all jump on me...
hmmmm...
given up on all hope?
we have seen teams sign guys during the season...
we have seen teams trade before the trade deadline, which would then completely change their team around
Fear the Putin
Starter
no one also was about to take on chris webbers filthy contract...yet guess what happened?
What happened? We got Corliss Williamson, Brian Skinner and Kenny Thomas, that's what happened. And in case you've missed about 100+ threads devoted to that particular trade, NOT everyone liked it then and even fewer people like it now.
You're losing ground quickly in this argument. You might want to bow out now or at least grab a branch to keep from sinking further into the morass.
Wait, isn't Keon still available??
Rumor has it that Keon went back to his hometown of Danville, Illinois, where he is spending his retirement as a reclusive crackhead. I think this means that our strategy should be to recruit him for the Jailblazers so that we can have another shot at Przybilla.
Fear the Putin
Starter
if you wanna call it an argument...go for it
but, youre protecting kenny way too much
and even if you do wanna call it an argument, you couldnt even answer my question correctly
i couldve said it myself how we got three under-sized for Webber, but that wasnt my point was it?
you particularly said how teams will not be willing to let go of their shotblockers...
You never know....
that is why i responded with the same thing...if you had any logic to understand you would.
I said "nobody was willing to take on webbers contract....and look what happened"
and if you want to jump to conclusions and make yourself feel better by saying your winning this argument...by all means make yourself feel better and say it, but I was never even starting one.
If I had any logic?
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Wow.
::VF21 runs off to double check the definition of irony::
slugking50
All-Star
We should sign Hakeem, Russell, and Mark Eaton as our new frontline.
We would be UNSTOPPABLE!!!!
We would be UNSTOPPABLE!!!!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Teams DO let go of shotblockers -- every year a certian number hit the market. We just never come down with them. We come up with undersized forwards. Swingmen. But never big bigs. We were able to cheat for years with a do it all talent in Webb, but have otherwise had exactly one shotblocker of note survive more than 1 year in the entire Petrie regime, and that was Pollard, who realy wasn't so much of a shotblocker as just a big strong interior defender.
P.S. And as an aside it is PRECISELY a shotblocker who dramatically cuts down on penetration. I mean what do people think they are useful for? Its intimidation at the rim of everyody else's man, ESPECIALLY little guards.
P.S. And as an aside it is PRECISELY a shotblocker who dramatically cuts down on penetration. I mean what do people think they are useful for? Its intimidation at the rim of everyody else's man, ESPECIALLY little guards.
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Something really odd just happened. I happened to find the phone number for the "Shot Blockers R Us" store headquarters. And even more amazingly, someone was there at this hour.
Unfortunately, it seems as though the latest shipment of Shot Blockers has been delayed. Something about having to make room for PS3 or something?
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
blitzology
G-League
Spurs are a better team. Some users on this forum just can't realize that the Kings aren't the best in the NBA. Besides one miss step against the Bobcats, the spurs have been the best team in the NBA - they are the favorites to win it all this year.
What do you people really think the Kings are going to finish this year? Realistically, this Kings team has a good shot to make the playoffs...but what then? They will most likely face one of the top 3 seeds in the first round and lose.
What do you people really think the Kings are going to finish this year? Realistically, this Kings team has a good shot to make the playoffs...but what then? They will most likely face one of the top 3 seeds in the first round and lose.
I don't think that any of these guys, for example, are making so much that they'd cause tax issues, and they're all young enough to be worth investing some effort in.
Marc Gasol
Caio Torres
Kosta Perovic
Nick Horvath
Angelo Gigli
Alexei Savrasenko
Serhii Lischuk
Miguel Marriaga
Kaya Peker
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Marc Gasol
Caio Torres
Kosta Perovic
Nick Horvath
Angelo Gigli
Alexei Savrasenko
Serhii Lischuk
Miguel Marriaga
Kaya Peker
Justin Williams[SIZE=-1]
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kingsfan101
Starter
I'm sure Petrie shall find one growing on a tree outside his house, and Muss shall even play him.
Your post does honor to your avatar.
P.S. Hold out for the appeal. Don't drink the hemlock.
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That was my prediction for this year too, although I can't entirely rule out missing the playoffs.
You're making too much of the Spurs. I've been saying that we needed a defensive big ever since we paid Utah to take Keon. My dream for this offseason would have been something like Przybilla and Brevin Knight.
It's nothing new! I'm only venting about it now because I'm so sick of waiting, and nothing seems to be getting done.
And I actually found at least one of the ugly, ugly wins to be more disturbing than the last couple of losses.
BawLa
Starter
kupman
Starter
Not true.....we had 'Tag and he took us to contender status......er,..wait a second - never mind.
SCKingsfan
Bench
you all will kill me for saying this - but what about Adonal Foyle who's riding the bench at Golden State? Not going to turn this team around, but could help us. I haven't looked at his contract, but i'm thinking maybe that's why he hasn't been moved yet.
Ryle
Starter
In the words of the guy at the diner at the beginning of Major League:
Who the f--- are these guys???
No thanks. I just hope this ends that whole thought of what a great interior defender Kenny Thomas is??? He can stay in front of people but players like Duncan just play right over him.
I think this team misses Salmons from a defensive standpoint and it seemed pretty clear that when Bibby went out in the first half and was replaced by Price the defense picked up and we jumped out to a 10 point lead. Then Bibby came back and started doing his "running around the pick and then trying to pick up his man on the curl thing again" and Parker was able to get space to move the ball.
sidney
Starter
You can say "who the f--- is x" until x becomes someone who you know.
Problem here is that we have no polished big men AND we have no potential or youth or anything else in the big man department. At some point people start asking why we haven't drafted or tried to develop or traded for talent in this area in years. Teams do this all the time but we do not.
Petrie has the blame for this one. Defending his obvious flawed pattern by asking which unisigned player we should grab for immediate impact is weak. He has had opportunities and he passed on them.
kupman
Starter
Tim Duncan has nightmares about these guys.
nbrans
All-Star
Which opportunities did Petrie pass on?
More genrally, I'd just like to say that every non-contending team has weaknesses. If the Kings didn't have outside shooting people would be saying "why hasn't Petrie drafted or traded for an outside shooter?" If the team didn't have a perimter defender people would say "why hasn't Petrie drafted or traded for a perimter defender?" (actually they still say that, even though Artest, Price, Hart and Salmons are all good defenders)
We have all been watching closely the last two offseasons. There was not a better player available than Shareef at the MLE last season. This past offseason was more ambiguous -- there were some good shotblockers available. But Petrie was rumored to have offered the MLE to Przybilla, we know he tried to get Chris Wilcox, and last night's game did not exactly make me pine for Francisco "butterfingers" Elson. I don't know what else people would have done -- after losing Bonzi the Kings needed a swingman and Salmons is looking good.
I mean, maybe Petrie is passing up golden trades for great shotblockers that we don't know about, and in that case he deserves scorn. But I guess I'm willing to be a bit more patient than most. History has shown Petrie has had shotblockers on the roster, I'm willing to accept this admittedly ugly period as an aberration.
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sidney
Starter
Chandler could have been had this past offseason for a reasonable price. Even lower level guys like Elson or Hunter could have been had for almost nothing. Pick them apart if you want, but at least they could help us match up to bigger teams. But honestly, neither you nor I know what was on the table and what was not. That's GM only knowledge.
What I do know is that some years have gone by without having a big man that can do big man things and year after year the need goes unmet. What's more frustrating is we don't even have some young potential either. I think that's why the Justin Williams thing, rational or not, was frustrating. You have a guy who could turn into something, meet a huge need, and is essentially free, but we get mo taylor and a free roster spot instead. At least we could throw our hat in the ring and give a few guys a try.
You may be more patient than I, but I am at the point now where it's looking like the front office just doesn't see this need as a need worthy of taking some chances for. All the more frustrating when that need gets exploited.
Other than Justin Williams, they are mostly young centers who beat up on the US national team. Marc Gasol, for example, is Pau Gasol's younger (and slightly taller) brother, who plays for Akasvayu Girona and the (reigning world champion) Spanish national team. Nick Horvath plays for the Adelaide 36ers, where he has been putting up 20/10 and 1.6 blocks a game. Others are among the leading shotblockers in the European leagues, and so forth. The list would have been slightly longer, but a few of their teammates, like Oleksiy Pecherov and Jorge Garbajosa, entered the NBA draft this year and were swooped up.
This isn't necessarily the greatest list, I just meant to hastily throw together some examples of guys who might do well, but who our scouts have almost certainly not talked to.
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nbrans
All-Star
I can definitely understand the body of your post, even if I don't quite feel the same way. But the bigs you mention weren't necessarily within our reach. As for Chandler, we couldn't have matched New Orleans' offer - a big expiring contract and a serviceable player who could (theoretically) hold down the PF spot until Tyrus Thomas developed. If you were offered PJ Brown or Corliss/Pot who would you have taken? I would like to have had Steven Hunter, but I'd rather have SAR, and once we signed SAR we didn't have the cap room to sign Hunter. I'm not too sad we missed out on Elson -- I thought Jackie Butler was someone worth signing, but then again, his butt is firmly on the Spurs bench, and he's not much of a shotblocker anyway.
My nagging suspicion is Darko. Could we have gotten him for Bonzi's expiring contract since Orlando just gave up Cato? It would have probably meant no playoffs, but it could have been a savvy move. But at the time, of course, Bonzi was a part of our future. And now Orlando is looking at a big extension, so it would have been tough financially. So it's tough to know.
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gunks
Hall of Famer
Yep. And people are so quick to defend Petrie by pointing out past shotblockers we have had, or by saying a shotblocker is very hard to come by.
Past Kings shotblockers, besides Webber in his heyday, have all been 2nd string guys at best. When was the last time we had a defensive big that was STARTER quality?
And to those of you that say these bigs are hard to come by: You know who else is hard to come by? Players like Webber, Miller, and Bibby...But Petrie seems to have no trouble landing offensively talented players does he?
And yeah...Mo Taylor is useless. I have no clue why Petrie signed him. Oh wait...Its because he's a short guy who can play backup C along with Corliss! Thats it!
