Wait, isn't Keon still available??
I stand corrected...
Wait, isn't Keon still available??
So basically you think Petrie just hasn't realized we don't have a shotblocker and that you, on the other hand, have come up with the solution?
Please...
I am so heartily tired of the mythical "there are teams that need a SF/PF" routine. Hello? If there was such a team in dire need of a player, don't you think they might ... oh, I don't know ... pick up the phone and call Geoff Petrie? I mean, I don't have his phone number but I know people who do and I'm up here in the middle of a forest two hours away from Arco.
The simplistic idea that there are players out there and Petrie, for whatever reason, is just refusing to get them is just silly.
The point you're totally missing is you're NOT the first person on this board to make this comment. Or the second. Or the 315th. You're pretty much preaching to the choir about the lack of shot blocking presence on the Kings at this point in time. What I - and some others - continue to try and point out is there isn't a surplus of them out there AND the teams that do have them aren't going to let go of them for anything they don't really need.
no one also was about to take on chris webbers filthy contract...yet guess what happened?
Wait, isn't Keon still available??
What happened? We got Corliss Williamson, Brian Skinner and Kenny Thomas, that's what happened. And in case you've missed about 100+ threads devoted to that particular trade, NOT everyone liked it then and even fewer people like it now.
You're losing ground quickly in this argument. You might want to bow out now or at least grab a branch to keep from sinking further into the morass.
if you wanna call it an argument...go for it
but, youre protecting kenny way too much
and even if you do wanna call it an argument, you couldnt even answer my question correctly
i couldve said it myself how we got three under-sized for Webber, but that wasnt my point was it?
you particularly said how teams will not be willing to let go of their shotblockers...
You never know....
that is why i responded with the same thing...if you had any logic to understand you would.
I said "nobody was willing to take on webbers contract....and look what happened"
and if you want to jump to conclusions and make yourself feel better by saying your winning this argument...by all means make yourself feel better and say it, but I was never even starting one.
Something really odd just happened. I happened to find the phone number for the "Shot Blockers R Us" store headquarters. And even more amazingly, someone was there at this hour.
Unfortunately, it seems as though the latest shipment of Shot Blockers has been delayed. Something about having to make room for PS3 or something?
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Spurs are a better team. Some users on this forum just can't realize that the Kings aren't the best in the NBA. Besides one miss step against the Bobcats, the spurs have been the best team in the NBA - they are the favorites to win it all this year.
What do you people really think the Kings are going to finish this year? Realistically, this Kings team has a good shot to make the playoffs...but what then? They will most likely face one of the top 3 seeds in the first round and lose.
What do you people really think the Kings are going to finish this year? Realistically, this Kings team has a good shot to make the playoffs...but what then? They will most likely face one of the top 3 seeds in the first round and lose.
Or we could try for the Knights of Ni. Anyone have a spare shrubbery?
Teams DO let go of shotblockers -- every year a certian number hit the market. We just never come down with them. We come up with undersized forwards. Swingmen. But never big bigs. We were able to cheat for years with a do it all talent in Webb, but have otherwise had exactly one shotblocker of note survive more than 1 year in the entire Petrie regime, and that was Pollard, who realy wasn't so much of a shotblocker as just a big strong interior defender.
P.S. And as an aside it is PRECISELY a shotblocker who dramatically cuts down on penetration. I mean what do people think they are useful for? Its intimidation at the rim of everyody else's man, ESPECIALLY little guards.
I don't think that any of these guys, for example, are making so much that they'd cause tax issues, and they're all young enough to be worth investing some effort in.
Marc Gasol
Caio Torres
Kosta Perovic
Nick Horvath
Angelo Gigli
Alexei Savrasenko
Serhii Lischuk
Miguel Marriaga
Kaya Peker
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In the words of the guy at the diner at the beginning of Major League:
Who the f--- are these guys???
No thanks.
I don't think that any of these guys, for example, are making so much that they'd cause tax issues, and they're all young enough to be worth investing some effort in.
Marc Gasol
Caio Torres
Kosta Perovic
Nick Horvath
Angelo Gigli
Alexei Savrasenko
Serhii Lischuk
Miguel Marriaga
Kaya Peker
Justin Williams
You can say "who the f--- is x" until x becomes someone who you know.
Problem here is that we have no polished big men AND we have no potential or youth or anything else in the big man department. At some point people start asking why we haven't drafted or tried to develop or traded for talent in this area in years. Teams do this all the time but we do not.
Petrie has the blame for this one. Defending his obvious flawed pattern by asking which unisigned player we should grab for immediate impact is weak. He has had opportunities and he passed on them.
Which opportunities did Petrie pass on?
More genrally, I'd just like to say that every non-contending team has weaknesses. If the Kings didn't have outside shooting people would be saying "why hasn't Petrie drafted or traded for an outside shooter?" If the team didn't have a perimter defender people would say "why hasn't Petrie drafted or traded for a perimter defender?" (actually they still say that, even though Artest, Price, Hart and Salmons are all good defenders)
We have all been watching closely the last two offseasons. There was not a better player available than Shareef at the MLE last season. This past offseason was more ambiguous -- there were some good shotblockers available. But Petrie was rumored to have offered the MLE to Przybilla, we know he tried to get Chris Wilcox, and last night's game did not exactly make me pine for Francisco "butterfingers" Elson. I don't know what else people would have done -- after losing Bonzi the Kings needed a swingman and Salmons is looking good.
I mean, maybe Petrie is passing up golden trades for great shotblockers that we don't know about, and in that case he deserves scorn. But I guess I'm willing to be a bit more patient than most. History has shown Petrie has had shotblockers on the roster, I'm willing to accept this admittedly ugly period as an aberration.
In the words of the guy at the diner at the beginning of Major League:
Who the f--- are these guys???
Chandler could have been had this past offseason for a reasonable price. Even lower level guys like Elson or Hunter could have been had for almost nothing. Pick them apart if you want, but at least they could help us match up to bigger teams. But honestly, neither you nor I know what was on the table and what was not. That's GM only knowledge.
What I do know is that some years have gone by without having a big man that can do big man things and year after year the need goes unmet. What's more frustrating is we don't even have some young potential either. I think that's why the Justin Williams thing, rational or not, was frustrating. You have a guy who could turn into something, meet a huge need, and is essentially free, but we get mo taylor and a free roster spot instead. At least we could throw our hat in the ring and give a few guys a try.
You may be more patient than I, but I am at the point now where it's looking like the front office just doesn't see this need as a need worthy of taking some chances for. All the more frustrating when that need gets exploited.
What I do know is that some years have gone by without having a big man that can do big man things and year after year the need goes unmet. What's more frustrating is we don't even have some young potential either. I think that's why the Justin Williams thing, rational or not, was frustrating. You have a guy who could turn into something, meet a huge need, and is essentially free, but we get mo taylor and a free roster spot instead. At least we could throw our hat in the ring and give a few guys a try.
You may be more patient than I, but I am at the point now where it's looking like the front office just doesn't see this need as a need worthy of taking some chances for. All the more frustrating when that need gets exploited.
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