Should we rest Bibby?

[mdme]

With the injury to Bibby obviously hampering his play, should we just rest him for let's say 1-2 weeks (hopefully when we have a light schedule with weaker opponents), or just do what were doing right now?

 

[Quincy8Douby]

Nah, we need him. Even if it's a lighter schedule, we need either bibby or miller to be playing. Since miller is out for 4 weeks, we need bibby to play for at least 25-30 min a game... plus we have a problem since we really dont have another good backup PG... Price cant run it the whole time.

 

[KingsChick]

Definitely not.. I mean I know it's harder for him to play with the injured wrist, but its not that bad where he has to sit out.. if Bibby would be out, there would be a little bit of trouble..

 

[Jechtsphere]

yes he needs to get that wrist and thumb rested or it'll continue to hurt and his play and our team will suffer.

 

[Sac.Kings]

yes and no, we need him to play now, but play less minutes.

 

[ParniValjak]

Rest him. Not having him for couple of weeks in better than not having him for the rest of the season.

Its admirable that he is playing through pain but he is running the risk of further damage and longer periods out of the game. The inury will not heal unless he rests it.

It would be really tough without him for those couple of weeks but I think we need to be careful here.

 

[Fear the Putin]

did you guys see how well he played during the preseason?
he was lighting it up
shooting an incredibly high percentage from beyond the arc and was simply a beast
yes, it was preseason, but it would be wrong to think that it would not translate into the regular season
Resting him for one week would obviously hurt us, but since we are at home it would slightly decrease the damage done upon us.
I'd rather have him at 100% later on than have this injury linger throughout the season.
I respect Bibby's toughness, but you can sometimes only go so far with playing through injuries.

 

[Troy]

We have a light home schedule for the next week or so which will help rest Mike's wrist and thumb. I hope he takes it easy and uses this time to get better.

 

[6th]

We have a light home schedule for the next week or so which will help rest Mike's wrist and thumb. I hope he takes it easy and uses this time to get better.

That's just what I was thinking, Troy. We play on Wed night, and then we are off until Sunday. Then we are off again until Wed. Keep him out of practice and rest it between games. Cut down on shots taken if necessary, but have him on the court to run the offense. Give Ronnie Price a bit more playing time and limit Bibby's minutes somewhat.

 

[Troy]

That's just what I was thinking, Troy. We play on Wed night, and then we are off until Sunday. Then we are off again until Wed. Keep him out of practice and rest it between games. Cut down on shots taken if necessary, but have him on the court to run the offense. Give Ronnie Price a bit more playing time and limit Bibby's minutes somewhat.

Exactly. We need Bibby to run the offense, but cut down on shots. I hope the rest of the guys make their shots like a lot of them haven't so far. Not having Bibby and Miller would be make it real hard to win.

 

[BawLa]

Rest him no question. You can only worsen the situation by keeping him in there, especially for extended minutes.

Give Price the chance to sink or swim. It is still early in the season and I think we can afford to "waste" some games developing Ronnie. Worst case scenario is that Price flops, you lose a handful of games and you turn to Salmons for more ball handling. Best case scenario is he develops into the backup PG that we need -- less scoring, more defense, and an assist here or there.

IMO it's better to rest Bibby and give Ronnie a chance rather than be forced to start Ronnie or gasp, even worse, Hart.

 

[atxrocker]

I don't think there is a question of whether we should rest Mike, it's will we? I think the obvious answer is yes, he recoops until he is ready to play his game. And it's clear from his pre-season play that his game is much worth waiting for if at full health. I'm willing to take the gamble if it means he comes back at full force.

Of course it hurts with Brad out, but the season is young and it just doesn't make sense to me to get him on the court injured when the alternative could produce very positive results. It sucks he's hurt, but not much we can do about it now. Might as well let him get healthy which would make him much more productive. His pre-season play was getting me pretty excited. I'd love to see him play similar ball again.

 

[RaY Z]

i wouldnt want to rest him... sorry mike i know it hurts

but yes cuz bibby does have a chance of reaggravating his injury

but if it does happen i wouldnt mind seeing what salmons and price can do at the pg position for a couple of games, mabye get them use to running the offense (particularly price), becasue john salmons looked pretty good a couple of games ago running the offense...

 

[Roman]

yes, it was preseason, but it would be wrong to think that it would not translate into the regular season

Not really. At each point in the season - defenses become more aggressive and less forgiving.

Preseason = No real defense
Season (Before All-Star) = Defense is played
Season (After All-Star) = Defense is turned up
Post season = Defense is cranked

A guy like Bibby doesn't need much room to get a good look and the difference of a second on a rotation or a couple inches separation is massive! It's the difference between hitting above-46% and below-46%

 

[GoGoGadget]

I'd say that yes he should be rested, but from a reduction in minutes rather than sitting out full games. It's a gamble, but I still prefer the team with a semi-broken down Mike at the helm.

 

[Roman]

Of course it hurts with Brad out, but the season is young and it just doesn't make sense to me to get him on the court injured when the alternative could produce very positive results.

The flipside (and I'm just playing devil's advocate) is that the season is young and we're just getting together. If we start spiralling into the loss column what is it going to do to team chemistry and team psyche? Will Ron Artest have a patented-Ron Artest moment from frustration?

Can we survive placing ourselves in a hole?

We did it the other season, but we also had a weak schedule and a change in team to boost our competition. In this scenario, we're talking about keeping the unit together and just (potentially) suffering through it.

Further, our starting Center is pretty accustomed to losing. Will he toss in the towel quicker? He's already pretty passionless ... I can't imagine more losing will keep our center playing a high enough level.

It's a tough call. My call is sit Bibby, but these would be my concerns.

 

[VF21]

This is another case where I sure wish the person who created the poll had made it public. I would really like to hear the comments of the 34 people who think the Kings can afford to have Mike Bibby out right now...

I, of course, voted NO. The idea of holding him out until we have weaker opponents is just without merit. There are no really weak opponents in the NBA and if we want to even be in a position to think about the playoffs, we certainly can't afford to give any games away.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I'm one of the 34 people that voted yes, and I gave a reason. I don't think he should be missing any games, but I also don't think he should be playing starters' minutes. Lord help us if his wrist gets any worse.

 

[Warhawk]

This is another case where I sure wish the person who created the poll had made it public. I would really like to hear the comments of the 34 people who think the Kings can afford to have Mike Bibby out right now...

I, of course, voted NO. The idea of holding him out until we have weaker opponents is just without merit. There are no really weak opponents in the NBA and if we want to even be in a position to think about the playoffs, we certainly can't afford to give any games away.

I voted no, but with only those 2 options, it wasn't so clear-cut.

What's the time frame for his recovery with total rest and rehab (no playing)? A week? Two? Three? 1-2 months?

We don't know exactly what's wrong or how long he might need to be out, and that's a big part of it.

If it's one to two weeks recovery and he's fine, keep him out with the light schedule we're currently facing (5 games in 2 weeks). Might lose a game or two, but if he comes back healthy and drops the high turnover rate, we'll make those up before two long and have him healthy for the rest of the season. If he keeps playing injured, we're going to lose some close ones because he's not able to play up to his potential. I'd rather lose a couple now than half a dozen to a dozen the rest of the season. That's my thinking, anyways.

 

[VF21]

I'm one of the 34 people that voted yes, and I gave a reason. I don't think he should be missing any games, but I also don't think he should be playing starters' minutes. Lord help us if his wrist gets any worse.

I agree entirely.

And I agree with Warhawk.

The problem is in the phrasing. I think we should rest Mike as much as possible but I don't think we should hold him out of any games. Since that was how the initial statement with the poll read, I felt I had to vote NO.

As far as I know, they haven't even discovered what the problem is with his wrist, the MRI is negative. So, with that in mind, I think holding him out until "it" gets better could be pretty problematic.

Of course, bottom line is I trust Pete Youngman and Mike Bibby to make the right decisions. I think they're in a much better position to assess the situation than any of us possibly could be.

 

[John Galt]

I voted no. Warriors don't rest. I know it is not the most popular opinion on this board, but the intangible benefit of having Bibby "sac up" offsets the extra turnovers and slow healing. New Kings, new attitude.. play thru pain.

I love Mike Bibby!

 

[Roman]

I voted "Yes".

My reasoning is that rest to me is not playing him 40 minutes a night.

Heck, healthy he shouldn't be playing that much.

If he sits one or two games, I'm golden with that, but if he can go -- it'll help the team. Let's just limit it to 28-32 minutes for a bit.

 

[Wuster]

Its admirable that he is playing through pain but he is running the risk of further damage and longer periods out of the game. The inury will not heal unless he rests it.

Unless you've got that conclusion on hard medical facts, it's hard to make that call.

I can't imagine he would be allowed to play if the injury will not heal unless he rests it.

He may be playing in pain, but it may have nothing to do with how long it will take to get better.

 

[BawLa]

I think it depends on what you think this team is capable of. As many of you know I am a bit of a homer. With that said, I still think you can afford to "waste" some wins if you feel that this team is not a championship team. However, if you feel that the team is championship ready, then you cannot afford to "waste" any games and therefore you keep him in no matter what.

IMO by keeping him in there any minutes you are running the risk of making the injury worse. I think you need to bite the bullet and let him go through a full recovery, not a recovery-on-the-fly by limiting his minutes. The fact of the matter is when you lose a star on the team to injury, you are going to have to accept it. And of course having Brad injured at the same time only compounds the situation. But still, if he is supposed to be out 2-6 weeks for example, and then he aggrivates the injury and then he is out indefinitely for 8+ weeks then you are in a heap of trouble. And for what? A few wins here or there? It's not like he is shooting, passing or dribbling at 100% with this injury anyway so get him out, get him healthy and get him back in asap. And meanwhile you open the opportunity for others to step up.

 

[mdme]

Poll originator here. Everyone's points certainly have merit. I made the poll with the assumption based on what's been mentioned in the news...that Mike would only "need" to be out ~2 weeks.

Obviously VF is right, Pete and Mike are in the know and would be in the best position to decide.

The intent of the poll was more like choosing between....not having mike would likely mean more losses now with the hope that he can get back later at 100% (which judging by his pre-season #'s was quite awesome). or keep mike playing since we can't afford to get into a hole (since Brad is also out). You can also add the flipside analysis of...since Brad is out, and we will likely lose to "certain" opponents even if mike played....maybe we should rest him since a loss with mike is the same as a loss without him.

 

[BawLa]

Here are some questions I think need to be answered:

Can he play with the injury: Yes
Can he play 100% with the injury: No
Can the injury heal as quick as possible if he plays: Maybe
Can the injury heal as quick as possible if he sits: Yes
Can the injury get worse if he plays: Yes
Will we lose more games if he sits: Maybe (likely yes)
Will we win more games if he plays injured: Maybe


In many cases emotions can disrupt the process of logic.

So I ask: would you rather air on the side of uncertainty or would you rather go with what is definite?

I guess it all depends on your agenda. I would rather gamble on Price/Douby and others than gamble on Bibby recovering while playing.

But it is a gamble people.

 

[TheJoker]

I'm not sure but if Bibby thinks he has to then we have to let him do it.

 

[Warhawk]

Here are some questions I think need to be answered:

Can he play with the injury: Yes
Can he play 100% with the injury: No
Can the injury heal as quick as possible if he plays: Maybe
Can the injury heal as quick as possible if he sits: Yes
Can the injury get worse if he plays: Yes
Will we lose more games if he sits: Maybe (likely yes)
Will we win more games if he plays injured: Maybe


In many cases emotions can disrupt the process of logic.

So I ask: would you rather air on the side of uncertainty or would you rather go with what is definite?

I guess it all depends on your agenda. I would rather gamble on Price/Douby and others than gamble on Bibby recovering while playing.

But it is a gamble people.

You forgot one:

Will we win more games this season overall if he sits out now but comes back at near 100% in the next week or two? Again - maybe.

But I think this may be the most important question.

 

[mdme]

Now this thread becomes even more relevant...

 

[Entity]

He is shooting better through the first 6 games than he shot last season trough the first 6 games. Let it ride.