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king07
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[Edit]should the kings beg Adelman to come back?
kingsfan52miller
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Most people will probably say no....but i would like to see it, even though it will probably never happen
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Just given who made the decision (Maloofs, as a family) it just borders on the impossible I think. They not only did it, but did it in semi-insulting fashion and implied the had it all figured out. Well, they didn't. But I am having a nearly impossible time squinting my eyes hard enough to see all the bruised egos kiss and make up. The Maloofs actually admitting they were wrong? I mean REALLY admittting it and going to Rick and expressing as much? Rick, spurned/scorned and happily in semi-retirement watching his reputation grow, actually coming back without a harumph? Maybe if there were massive money involved.
It makes the whole "should" of the situation completely tertiary. All I can say is this: if they refuse to really rebuild and try to come back with another veteran laden squad, they would be hard pressed to find anyone better than Rick at molding one of those into a good team. Should we come back in full rebuild mode with a kiddie corps, rick probably has betetr things to do, and we can probably hire a young coach for far cheaper jsut to walk them through the early years. Either way, chances of it happening are 1 in 100. Maybe.
It makes the whole "should" of the situation completely tertiary. All I can say is this: if they refuse to really rebuild and try to come back with another veteran laden squad, they would be hard pressed to find anyone better than Rick at molding one of those into a good team. Should we come back in full rebuild mode with a kiddie corps, rick probably has betetr things to do, and we can probably hire a young coach for far cheaper jsut to walk them through the early years. Either way, chances of it happening are 1 in 100. Maybe.
I voted "yes" even though I think it's impossible. If it accomplished nothing else, maybe it would teach the Maloofs to respect it when a guy's helping the team, to leave well enough alone even if they have a hard time getting along with him personally. A lesson in humility might not be a bad thing.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
No way, it's time to move on. If we hadn't traded for Ron Artest last year this wouldn't even be a conversation right now.
And what's your point? The Maloofs made what most people are recognizing as a BIG mistake in assuming they could find someone better than Adelman. Whether we had Artest or not, we still lost one of the premiere coaches in the NBA because he didn't schmooze well enough.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Firing Adelman was horrible and it was a huge blow to me as a kings fan, Adelman is a class act and a true professional. We were so lucky to have him, but the kings just threw it away on a whim and doing it in an insulting fashion as well. He deserved so much better. It's impossible but I'd love to have him back.
Ryle
Starter
Not that people care what I think about this subject but Adelman wasn't fired...his contract was up last year.
Anyway, this team was a lost cause last year(not nearly as lost as this year) prior to getting Artest who wanted to repair his image and they also had Bonzi play like a Hall of Famer so he could get a good contract at the end of the year(oops!!). I don't think Adelman would have done much better with the team that we had this year.
Muss wasn't my first, second or third choice so I would really hope he is not back next year.
Anyway, this team was a lost cause last year(not nearly as lost as this year) prior to getting Artest who wanted to repair his image and they also had Bonzi play like a Hall of Famer so he could get a good contract at the end of the year(oops!!). I don't think Adelman would have done much better with the team that we had this year.
Muss wasn't my first, second or third choice so I would really hope he is not back next year.
I'm an Adelman guy, but not only do I know they won't go after Adelman, I don't think they should.
Adelman is a veteran coach, a guy who can get the best out of players and get them to buy into a team-first concept. We aren't going to have a team that will respond well to Adelman's style of coaching for another three years or so.
Meanwhile, they need an X's and O's coach who can motivate young guys to play hard and learn the NBA ropes. That's not Rick Adelman's MO, if you ask me.
Adelman is a veteran coach, a guy who can get the best out of players and get them to buy into a team-first concept. We aren't going to have a team that will respond well to Adelman's style of coaching for another three years or so.
Meanwhile, they need an X's and O's coach who can motivate young guys to play hard and learn the NBA ropes. That's not Rick Adelman's MO, if you ask me.
I don't think it's possible to bring Rick back, but I think they SHOULD try. Why? Bibby/Miller/Artest/Reef/Kenny ALL looked better under Adelman last year, even if the team was losing, they still PERFORMED a LOT better. By bringing him back, you'd hope the old system would return and that these players could PLAY their value back up so Petrie has something to deal with in trades.
I don't think it'll happen, but I would like to see it.
I don't think it'll happen, but I would like to see it.
kupman
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Let me preface this by saying I have always been a big Rick fan. I went on record last spring stating that if I were running the Kings I would have signed Rick to another contract because I think he is a great coach.
Having said that, the organization had a different idea. It does not make the Mallofs bad guys. There are betting people and they thought it was just time to try something else. Nothing wrong with that. Well, they played their cards aggressively and lost. It does not make them incompetent. I still love our owners (even though I get mad at them sometimes). It may be time to fold this hand and see if we can do better next time. I can live with it without trying to recreate yester-year.
Having said that, the organization had a different idea. It does not make the Mallofs bad guys. There are betting people and they thought it was just time to try something else. Nothing wrong with that. Well, they played their cards aggressively and lost. It does not make them incompetent. I still love our owners (even though I get mad at them sometimes). It may be time to fold this hand and see if we can do better next time. I can live with it without trying to recreate yester-year.
Man...I hated the move at the time. But in hindsight...it might be one of the dumbest coaching switches in recent NBA history. I can't think move as stupid as this one.
kupman
Starter
Well, maybe you would feel different if you sat through one of his powerpoint presentations.
rhythmless
Starter
im pretty sure we all know his contract was up, and the maloofs chose to not renew it. if you worked for contracts, and you had a 6 year client who decided not to reup your contract, wouldnt you feel the same as if you were fired? youre talking about technicalities. what the maloofs did was try to be the good guys by not firing him, but not keeping him. 2 sides of a coin. regardless of whether its heads or tails for you, maloofs still messed up, and did not handle the situation with the class that a multimillion should have. they wanted someone more in the media. irony strikes again, as muss splashed AP with his dui before coaching a reg season game.
he wont come back... just like vlade probably wouldnt come back, webb didnt come back, christie didnt come back, etc. the maloofs created a championship team for a while, but they have never at any time created a franchise. there is no lasting impact from what we had. no one yearns to be a king. we dont have tradition, and what we could of had, the maloofs chose to disregard. they threw a pittance amount of money at vlade after what he gave us, and he was right to go to LA. webber did everything he could to bring home a championship, and then we shipped him after he got a bum knee. bjax continued to be a journeyman, and so on and so forth. yeah, i know the moves made some form of basketball sense whether youre for or against it, but they also deal away people that were proud to be a king.
when i was little, i remember people saying that anytime anyone gets good in sac, they leave for better. now... the maloofs are disregarding loyalty for the bottom line. by doing this, i think they gave up one of the best chances the kings had at establishing a culture, and tradition. maloofs probably dont understand this because you cannot measure it in terms of dollars, but it goes a long way for establishing success, now and later.
i think i went off in a tangent... oops take what you want from it...
Wow.
You're exactly right. The TRADITIONS are gone. Back before, we may not have won a lot but there was camaraderie, there was a feeling of US vs. them, there was a cohesion. We - the loyal fans - CARED about our players.
Very nice post.
rhythmless
Starter
thanks for the input all. i for one would have been fine with running our old team into the ground. that kind of loyalty into the players could have resulted in vlade as a big man coach, christie as a def specialist coach, etc. this would have built on what we had. we could have had a franchise...
i just bummed myself out guys...
i just bummed myself out guys...
i just bummed myself out guys...
watch out. That's the signal for...
GROUP HUG!!!!!!
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Maybe you didn't read my first sentence. Try doing that first and you may just very well get my point.
SACKINGS4EVER
Prospect
we dont have tradition, and what we could of had, the maloofs chose to disregard.
-rhythmless-
Yeah, great post.
Maloofs think winning, or cashing it in, is the only thing, so they ax people however way they want it, most of the time, without giving them the RESPECT they DESERVE. Traditions are built when such respect is given to those who deserve it - even when they need to move on. Those who realize that, are the True lovers of the game and its players, just as Riley showed in hanging His Airness' jersey in the Heat's arena. Meanwhile, the Maloofs, mere gamblers that they are, just can't wait to play with a better hand and are equally, if not more, eager to discard and forget the losing hand that they have been dealt with. So, what this amounts to is that if a tradtion is to ever develop from the Sacramento Kings that many of us here dearly love, such development will not be initiated by its owners, but must come from those who truly appreciate the Players and the Game, that is, its FANS. As for its owners, they are who they always say they are - Gamblers. They are just here, imho, merely for the thrill, and more importantly, for the bucks.
-rhythmless-
Yeah, great post.
Maloofs think winning, or cashing it in, is the only thing, so they ax people however way they want it, most of the time, without giving them the RESPECT they DESERVE. Traditions are built when such respect is given to those who deserve it - even when they need to move on. Those who realize that, are the True lovers of the game and its players, just as Riley showed in hanging His Airness' jersey in the Heat's arena. Meanwhile, the Maloofs, mere gamblers that they are, just can't wait to play with a better hand and are equally, if not more, eager to discard and forget the losing hand that they have been dealt with. So, what this amounts to is that if a tradtion is to ever develop from the Sacramento Kings that many of us here dearly love, such development will not be initiated by its owners, but must come from those who truly appreciate the Players and the Game, that is, its FANS. As for its owners, they are who they always say they are - Gamblers. They are just here, imho, merely for the thrill, and more importantly, for the bucks.
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Oh, I read your first sentence where you say it's time to move on. That wasn't the question.
My question pertained to your second sentence, which is precisely why I said:
Since this isn't a public poll, we can't see how people voted but I'm one of the "NO" votes. I don't think we should rehire Adelman. That doesn't change, however, the fact that he was allowed to walk away for the wrong reasons.
rhythmless
Starter
thanks for that vf.
im on the no side as well. unless the maloofs came to adelman on their knees, or put up a billboard, i dont even want the maloofs talking to someone with so much more class than them.
sackings, so do you think that with maloofs as owners, we will never be able to build a tradition on key players? because it doesnt seem like they want to get out of this business, with all the connections that helped establish the palms as one of the premier resorts.
im on the no side as well. unless the maloofs came to adelman on their knees, or put up a billboard, i dont even want the maloofs talking to someone with so much more class than them.
sackings, so do you think that with maloofs as owners, we will never be able to build a tradition on key players? because it doesnt seem like they want to get out of this business, with all the connections that helped establish the palms as one of the premier resorts.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Time for a change sounds like a good reason for me.
Didn't we just change? It didn't work out so well.
I'm not saying that Adelman would have had us contending for a championship, but "time for a change" isn't a valid reason, I don't think, to get rid of a man with 8 winning seasons and 8 playoff appearances in 8 years as head coach.
I'm just sayin', the grass isn't always greener. I'd have rather had Adelman coach us to a 30 win season than Musselman. Then you could legitimately say that it's time for a change.
There's no reason for us not to want Adelman to come back, as we had our best years with him running the show. But it's probably not best for us to go back to that style of coaching/play while we're in rebuilding mode.
KP
Starter
This is the kind of thinking that has made us one of the worst teams in the league.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Well first of all I have to point out that this is just a poll and is therefore not realed to the the real world in any meaningfull fashion. In the real world the call would never get made as millionaire playboys rarely if ever admit to their mistakes and NEVER make it publicly known when they do. In the real world even if they DID some how swollow their collective pride and actually made the call, the only response would be 10 min of hysterical laughter from Rick.
Now in hypothetical world SHOULD the Maloofs hire RA back? eh maybe depending on who else is availalbe and more importantly what tallent the team has and what syle of play do they want from them. In general though RA is a great coach and for a passing team running the princion offense there is probably no one better.
But lets face it you don't dump your wife and mother of your children at a coctail party then call her up when your new wife "get's a headache."
Now in hypothetical world SHOULD the Maloofs hire RA back? eh maybe depending on who else is availalbe and more importantly what tallent the team has and what syle of play do they want from them. In general though RA is a great coach and for a passing team running the princion offense there is probably no one better.
But lets face it you don't dump your wife and mother of your children at a coctail party then call her up when your new wife "get's a headache."
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