Should the Kings give Joerger a 3 to 5 year extension?

Should the Kings give Joerger a 3 to 5 year extension?

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Kingsfan23 said:
Yes. IMO he’s largely responsible for the success and they won’t get someone better

The issue is, if by chance ownership feels less secure with Vlade, do they do the coach before the GM tidbit after getting rough publicity from it the previous two times
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If you can lose your job (Vlade) after his performance on this job.. then nobody should ever ever ever complain about being fired again in history. If anything he should have a nice token of appreciation in his Christmas pay envelope.

Only legit knock on Vlade is that some bloggers, radio hosts and journalists have dug into anti-Vlade positions that no actual results will ever off-set.

Extend them both - there is no reason not to. But I imagine some people still crave a 5 year Hinkie tank job out of habit.
 
John Galt said:
If you can lose your job (Vlade) after his performance on this job.. then nobody should ever ever ever complain about being fired again in history. If anything he should have a nice token of appreciation in his Christmas pay envelope.

Only legit knock on Vlade is that some bloggers, radio hosts and journalists have dug into anti-Vlade positions that no actual results will ever off-set.

Extend them both - there is no reason not to. But I imagine some people still crave a 5 year Hinkie tank job out of habit.
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I understand you feel that way, but what if the 2% chance the organization feels different about Vlade (if that’s your opinion)? Do you think recent history would be an issue for hiring coach before GM, or could you see that happening again?
 
Still a super doper long way to go if he gets us to the playoffs than no doubt, but with more than half a season left its way to early.
 
Kingsfan23 said:
I understand you feel that way, but what if the 2% chance the organization feels different about Vlade (if that’s your opinion)? Do you think recent history would be an issue for hiring coach before GM, or could you see that happening again?
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The only one Vlade reports to is Vivek. There is no organization feels only vivek.
 
John Galt said:
I think if Vivek moves on from Vlade, he is a moron.
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Doesn’t answer the question.

Obviously there is a ‘chance’ that they would elect for a different voice. This isn’t the thread to discuss the merits of it, but it would make it a little more complicated to extend him if he automatically has to past Vlade’s muster as well (not getting into how much more).

So should the thread be extending Joerger/Vlade or is it conceivable that Vivek would go for the coach before the GM thing again?
 
Kingsfan23 said:
Doesn’t answer the question.

Obviously there is a ‘chance’ that they would elect for a different voice. This isn’t the thread to discuss the merits of it, but it would make it a little more complicated to extend him if he automatically has to past Vlade’s muster as well (not getting into how much more).

So should the thread be extending Joerger/Vlade or is it conceivable that Vivek would go for the coach before the GM thing again?
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I seriously doubt if that's going to happen again. Vivek made mistakes but from all indications he has learned from them. That might be a topic to discuss in a different thread. There is no indication anywhere in social media to suggest the minority owners are not happy with Vlade or with what's going on right now with the team. Winning solves a lot of problems.
 
I'm an outlier on this... but I don't think Vivek's problem was that he hired Coach then GM. I think it was that he hired a dung pile of a GM. If he had hired a better gm, one who was on board and compatible with Vivek and Malone... who knows what might have happened.

I just don't believe the GM has to wear the pants in the front office. I sort of thing the Coach should be the top dog and the GM a person who helps facilitate that vision. Of course, you have to have a heck of a coach to fill that role. Too bad we will never know if Malone was that guy because he was undermined brutally by Pete.

I know... this is not too common a point of view but I look at many NFL examples (Carroll, Belichick) and a few in the NBA (Pop) - and it can work just fine when the Coach is at the top of the pecking order.
 
John Galt said:
I'm an outlier on this... but I don't think Vivek's problem was that he hired Coach then GM. I think it was that he hired a dung pile of a GM. If he had hired a better gm, one who was on board and compatible with Vivek and Malone... who knows what might have happened.

I just don't believe the GM has to wear the pants in the front office. I sort of thing the Coach should be the top dog and the GM a person who helps facilitate that vision. Of course, you have to have a heck of a coach to fill that role. Too bad we will never know if Malone was that guy because he was undermined brutally by Pete.

I know... this is not too common a point of view but I look at many NFL examples (Carroll, Belichick) and a few in the NBA (Pop) - and it can work just fine when the Coach is at the top of the pecking order.
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think Malone is doing ok.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1077279134919868417
 
Yes.

Joerger is in the same category as Riley, Jackson, Pop, Aurbach, Sloan... coaches that are so skilled they should essentially never be fired. Joerger wasn't fired from Memphis mind you. He was poached by Vlade. We are incredibly lucky to have him. I think now would be the PERFECT time to extend him, as it communicates to the rest of the org who your guy is, and hopefully tilts the balance of power more towards the Vlade/Joerger alliance that is behind our current team.
 
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Yes! But then again I would have done it at the end of last season when he wasn’t winning and was getting questioned about his coaching and teaching methods.

Seriously good coach! People don’t realize just how tough it is to get a very good NBA coach to a small market, rebuilding team like Sacramento. Joerger is the best coach we have had since Adelman and this is coming from a big Michael Malone fan!
 
I said "unsure". I mean, I'm really happy with what I've seen this season, but last season was TBH a train wreck and I'd like a bit more than 33 games of solid play before making a 3-5 year commitment. But I've long been a proponent of long-term stability in coaching situations, and I've been hoping for that long-term Kings coach since we gave Adelman the boot. I'm still open to the idea of Joerger being that long-term guy. It turns out that Joerger's 197 games coached is already the longest Kings coaching tenure since Adelman and I haven't given up on him yet, so that's like at least half an endorsement, maybe even 3/4 of one.
 
John Galt said:
I'm an outlier on this... but I don't think Vivek's problem was that he hired Coach then GM. I think it was that he hired a dung pile of a GM. If he had hired a better gm, one who was on board and compatible with Vivek and Malone... who knows what might have happened.

I just don't believe the GM has to wear the pants in the front office. I sort of thing the Coach should be the top dog and the GM a person who helps facilitate that vision. Of course, you have to have a heck of a coach to fill that role. Too bad we will never know if Malone was that guy because he was undermined brutally by Pete.

I know... this is not too common a point of view but I look at many NFL examples (Carroll, Belichick) and a few in the NBA (Pop) - and it can work just fine when the Coach is at the top of the pecking order.
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Vivek’s issue was not hiring Malone. Thatwas actually a GREAT move. Vivek’s issue is hiring PDA and Chris Mullin, a person who was responsible for turning GSW into an absolute basket case with no direction, no assets and no cap room. A person who was giving out one bad contract after the other to average talent. GSW moved forward once they fired Mullin. I called Mullin hiring a mistake at the time.

Vivek’s other bad mistake was firing Malone and buying into the backstabbing bullcrap being paddled by PDA and Mullin.
 
Joerger has a great mind to be a Coach. Sitting in a hotel lobby scratching out plays on a notepad for hours and his ability to plan play coming out of a time out are evidence of this.

He speaks of building up his players and "loving on" them. This displays a good personality to be a Coach.

Not being afraid to speak his mind to the media and to take on the FO if needed shows the courage needed to be a Coach.

Lastly his actions display a loyalty to those who have shown loyalty. IMO this screams that the Man is a Coach.

Merry Christmas
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I said "unsure". I mean, I'm really happy with what I've seen this season, but last season was TBH a train wreck and I'd like a bit more than 33 games of solid play before making a 3-5 year commitment. But I've long been a proponent of long-term stability in coaching situations, and I've been hoping for that long-term Kings coach since we gave Adelman the boot. I'm still open to the idea of Joerger being that long-term guy. It turns out that Joerger's 197 games coached is already the longest Kings coaching tenure since Adelman and I haven't given up on him yet, so that's like at least half an endorsement, maybe even 3/4 of one.
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Not sure about that, but I think the last season was both about player development and tanking.
 
NME said:
After being used to years of young players either stagnating or regressing, the leaps that Buddy and Fox have made would have seemed impossible if you'd told me over the summer.
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And it's not just with those two. The strides our other young guys have made as well seem to indicate that we have a great player development system in place.

Justin Jackson has become a capable defender and good three point shooter.
Willie appears to finally be getting it (kind of)
Harry Giles and Bagley have both improved from the start of the season.

Really the only minuses in the development ledger have been Skal (lat guy on the depth chart at our deepest position) and Frank Mason (who has forgotten how to shoot and is our third PG so it's debatable how much he matters in the long run anyways).

The last time we were hitting this well on draft picks/developing them was in Adelman's system where he turned any Geoff Petrie draft pick (almost exclusively swingmen) into at the very least longtime NBA players with Peja/Hedo/Gerald Wallace/Kevin Martin/Cisco all having long lived NBA careers (and four of those dudes turning into borderline stars).
 
ParniValjak said:
Vivek’s issue was not hiring Malone. Thatwas actually a GREAT move. Vivek’s issue is hiring PDA and Chris Mullin, a person who was responsible for turning GSW into an absolute basket case with no direction, no assets and no cap room. A person who was giving out one bad contract after the other to average talent. GSW moved forward once they fired Mullin. I called Mullin hiring a mistake at the time.

Vivek’s other bad mistake was firing Malone and buying into the backstabbing bullcrap being paddled by PDA and Mullin.
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Accurate.
 
King Baller said:
Joerger has a great mind to be a Coach. Sitting in a hotel lobby scratching out plays on a notepad for hours and his ability to plan play coming out of a time out are evidence of this.

He speaks of building up his players and "loving on" them. This displays a good personality to be a Coach.

Not being afraid to speak his mind to the media and to take on the FO if needed shows the courage needed to be a Coach.

Lastly his actions display a loyalty to those who have shown loyalty. IMO this screams that the Man is a Coach.

Merry Christmas
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Joerger and his wife are extremely strong Christians and fairly outward with their faith, meaning, in my opinion, they apply it to their actions. I am SO pleased to see this, and to see his faith in action in relating to our players.
 
I think at minimum this season at least one or two of his associates need to be extended. IIRC, none of the associates contracts go past this season. (feel free to fact-check because I'm not 100% sure on that).
I'm certainly on board for a three-year extension for Joerger as well.
 
lwc said:
I think at minimum this season at least one or two of his associates need to be extended. IIRC, none of the associates contracts go past this season. (feel free to fact-check because I'm not 100% sure on that).
I'm certainly on board for a three-year extension for Joerger as well.
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I think a 3 year extension is very likely. However, I personally don’t care if it’s longer. Coaches will still be fired regardless of the remaining contract salary. It’s not my money and doesn’t count against the cap, so if Vivek wants to signal stability with something longer than three years, more power to him.
 
Yes you extend him. He deserves that and there needs to be continuity in our schemes and development.

End of the day given our come up this season both Vlade and Dave will be here moving forward. The rat(s) in the FO need to get it though. I have had enough of all of that
 
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