Should Ike Diogu be re-signed? (split and merged)

Should Ike Diogu be re-signed?

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I HOPE all of you are right. However, in following sports, most players in a contract year usually play out-of-their-mind, which is exactly what Ike did. The very next year, they go back to just, well, playing like their old selves.

The last thing I want to see is this team give away contracts, roster spots and playing time.
 
kingsnation said:
I HOPE all of you are right. However, in following sports, most players in a contract year usually play out-of-their-mind, which is exactly what Ike did. The very next year, they go back to just, well, playing like their old selves.

The last thing I want to see is this team give away contracts, roster spots and playing time.
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do you really think those 2 games are the first time he has ever done that? I understand if you don't want him here but don't use the 2 games he played well as your basis. He had 4 double doubles his rookie year (not a contact year) and he came within 2 or less pts or reb another 15 times he scored over 20pts 4 times and had several over 15.
 
Ike has gotten over 30 min only twice in his career. one at 39min and one at 40min. those 2 games??? The very 2 games you speak of at the end of the season with us. He wasn't playing out of his mind. He was playing his averages he just finally got the time for them to amount to something.
 
That rookie year was his best year. I agree with that. However, he has not duplicated that until now, which was his contract year ( which was more like 2 games )
 
Ike has played for 4 teams and 4 different coaches. He has been behind somebodys, and nobodys. To say he hasn't had opportunity is ridiculous. He has always been short. And he has never, NEVER put on a display like he did for those two games. End of the season sudden heroics amongst scrubs are a longstanding tradition in the NBA. Interesting enough that maybe you invite the guy back to prove that he can actually do it with any consistency. Not interesting enough that you start dropping wads of guaranteed money on a guy that quite literally would be playing in Europe rihgt now if he had sprained his ankle 1 week before the end of the season.
 
Showtime said:
People act like he's a scrub. He lead the pac 10 in scoring. The dude's a post scorer, so he needs the ball and minutes to put up the numbers. That's why he hasn't been productive so far in his career. They haven't given him the ball, and haven't played him that many minutes. For a player like Scott Pollard who does nothing but rebound and get putbacks, that may be fine. But for a guy who is primarily a scorer, he's not going to impress when he doesn't touch the ball and only plays a few minutes. That's why he produced in those games because not only did he play big minutes, but they GAVE HIM THE BALL on the block, which he needs.
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I like him. If we don't resign him, then who would we get in FA that can score in the post, defend the post reasonably well, and rebound? What are the alternatives? Also, I don't buy into drafting Brockman means Diogu is gone. A guy we draft at #38 is going to supplant Diogu, who happened to be a high #1 pick a few years ago? Just don't see that happening. Lastly, if the Kings org is on a toughness kick, then Diogu certainly fits that bill as well.
 
he put up numbers like that SEVERAL times. 19pts 9reb in 22 min to me is comparable to 28pts 13reb in 40 min. its not rocket science. I am not an ike appologist i am just using some objectivity. 4th big for us at the right price isn't going to bother me. but i want that 3rd big.
 
I’m glad I’m the only one who’s not interested in Ike. Playing in the last 2 games doesn’t impress me. If Kenny decided to actually play him before and he impressed I would have thought about giving him a invite, but he hasn’t done anything that makes me want to have him back…Good luck to him.

As far as having – Cisco, Greene, Noc and Casspi. We need to ship out Noc. I’d be surprised if we traded him but I hope we do.
 
kingsnation said:
That rookie year was his best year. I agree with that. However, he has not duplicated that until now, which was his contract year ( which was more like 2 games )
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had better numbers in less min his second year. after that the min dropped and so did the numbers. Duncan dont get 20 and 10 in 7 min a game.
 
Bricklayer said:
Ike has played for 4 teams and 4 different coaches. He has been behind somebodys, and nobodys. To say he hasn't had opportunity is ridiculous. He has always been short. And he has never, NEVER put on a display like he did for those two games. End of the season sudden heroics amongst scrubs are a longstanding tradition in the NBA. Interesting enough that maybe you invite the guy back to prove that he can actually do it with any consistency. Not interesting enough that you start dropping wads of guaranteed money on a guy that quite literally would be playing in Europe rihgt now if he had sprained his ankle 1 week before the end of the season.
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Think we have 12 players on the roster (including our second round pick whom we haven't always brought back in past years).

We are short of bodies upfront, and need to sign at least one more player. Unless we can sign some FA with more potential, or some kid whom we think can be better than him, no harm in bringing him back. It's not that he is going to cost too much.
 
kingsnation said:
His less minutes/inflated stats were probably against lesser competition as well.
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probably? you have based your arguments on few facts now your guessing. just say you didnt realize he has done that before and be done with it. he DID NOT play out of his mind the last 2 games. he played 40 min. Hell Potapenko could put up numbers with 40 min.
 
I am not lobbying to resign him. I don't care. I am just bringing information to the table. because most arguments against it are at best misinformed.
 
kingsnation said:
I HOPE all of you are right. However, in following sports, most players in a contract year usually play out-of-their-mind, which is exactly what Ike did. The very next year, they go back to just, well, playing like their old selves.

The last thing I want to see is this team give away contracts, roster spots and playing time.
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As stated above, his pers relative to his minutes aren't that bad. He is a pretty decent role playing offensive player off the bench, and his per minute averages have shown that in the past.
 
Bricklayer said:
Ike has played for 4 teams and 4 different coaches. He has been behind somebodys, and nobodys. To say he hasn't had opportunity is ridiculous. He has always been short. And he has never, NEVER put on a display like he did for those two games. End of the season sudden heroics amongst scrubs are a longstanding tradition in the NBA. Interesting enough that maybe you invite the guy back to prove that he can actually do it with any consistency. Not interesting enough that you start dropping wads of guaranteed money on a guy that quite literally would be playing in Europe rihgt now if he had sprained his ankle 1 week before the end of the season.
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That's all I want to see happen. A chance for him is just as big a chance for us. If he pans out that would help with the rebuild immensely.
 
Geez HE DIDN'T PLAY OUT OF HIS MIND. He played 40 ****ing minutes. 28pts 11reb thats equavilant to 7pts 3 reb in 10 min which is his averages in that amount of min played.
 
I don't mind having Ike on the roster, and giving him a chance next year. But that is really all he deserves, is a chance. One yr contract worth 1-2M. Thats it. Anyone who thinks he deserves more I would really have to disagree with.

I can buy the arguement that he hasn't been given a fair shake, and might do better with more of an opportunity. But this is the nba, and he has played for 4 teams, and hasn't contributed to any of them. Their is not a consiracy against Ike in the nba. Coaches put their best players on the floor because they will win more games that way, and if Ike hasn't been on the floor, than his previous coaches don't think he will help win any games. Its not like he was on the spurs stuck behind duncan.

So bottom line, I don't have a problem giving him a 1yr contract to see what he has. Nothing more than that at this point. And, I don't want him to be the 1st big off the bench. We still need to pick up anoter big through free agancy.
 
bloom said:
I’m glad I’m the only one who’s not interested in Ike. Playing in the last 2 games doesn’t impress me. If Kenny decided to actually play him before and he impressed I would have thought about giving him a invite, but he hasn’t done anything that makes me want to have him back…Good luck to him.

As far as having – Cisco, Greene, Noc and Casspi. We need to ship out Noc. I’d be surprised if we traded him but I hope we do.
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Kenny couldn't dream of playing in the same way Ike did those last couple of games. Kenny will never/has never had an offensive skill set like Diogu showed glimpses of. Kenny can scrap his way into a big game, but dropping 20 foot jumpers? Backing down a big like Nene and scoring on him repeatedly? I don't think so.

This isn't Justin Williams here. This is a guy that was drafted 9th overall in a very solid draft, and I for one think we should test the theory that some bigs take a few years to develop. It would be nice to be the recipient of some other teams youth development for a change as opposed to the one giving it away.
 
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Geez HE DIDN'T PLAY OUT OF HIS MIND. He played 40 ****ing minutes. 28pts 11reb thats equavilant to 7pts 3 reb in 10 min which is his averages in that amount of min played.
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Ok, but would you have lobbied to resign him if he didn't have those final 2 games? That's all I am trying to figure out here.
 
kingsnation said:
Ok, but would you have lobbied to resign him if he didn't have those final 2 games? That's all I am trying to figure out here.
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vs what else is out there sure. i will take 8-10 pts 4-6 reb in 15 min. give me sombody else that is a free agent that has comparable stats that comes at a cheap price then i will be with you. now you go to throwing out millions at ike and i am against it.
 
kingsnation said:
And how many years ago was that?

Truth is, people act like he's a scrub because he's been a scrub his whole NBA career, outside of maybe a month or 2.
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Tell me how many times he was given big minutes and made a focus of the offense? How many? As I said, a player of his nature needs the right opportunities and circumstances to produce. That may be a criticism of his style, but it is what it is. He's primarily an offensive player who can rebound. He needs the ball and minutes in order to create his offense and be that effective, and he's gotten neither of those two things wherever he's been. Asking him to be a Scott Pollard type player when he's more like an Al Jefferson/David West style player just doesn't work. He needs the ball and PT to be effective. People are asking him to be a defensive minded rebounder to come in and play for short stints at a time, which is not who he is. If you want a Jeff Foster type guy, go get Jeff Foster. Diogu is a post scorer.
 
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Showtime said:
Tell me how many times he was given big minutes and made a focus of the offense? How many? As I said, a player of his nature needs the right opportunities and circumstances to produce. That may be a criticism of his style, but it is what it is. He's primarily an offensive player who can rebound. He needs the ball and minutes in order to create his offense and be that effective, and he's gotten neither of those two things wherever he's been. Asking him to be a Scott Pollard type player when he's more like an Al Jefferson/David West type player just doesn't work.
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Are you seriously telling me he needs to be the focus of the offense?! :eek:

Oh dear, you DO want to win more than 17 this year, right?
 
kingsnation said:
Are you seriously telling me he needs to be the focus of the offense?! :eek:

Oh dear, you DO want to win more than 17 this year, right?
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I'm explaining the TYPE of player he is. He needs the ball to create his offense, so that would mean he needs to get the ball on the block if you want that kind of production from him. If he's going to be a reserve big, and people are expecting the same level of production out of him that he showed at the end of last season, then he needs the basketball. If not, then he's no better than Kenny Thomas.
 
While I don't think anybody is saying Diogu should be our number one option, isn't it kind of funny that when he did have the ball, it took him all of two games to make the most shots in a single game of anyone on the team all year?

If someone found a piece of gold or two and said there might be more up in that mountain over there, I don't know about you, but I'd probably get a better look.
 
SacTownKid said:
While I don't think anybody is saying Diogu should be our number one option, isn't it kind of funny that when he did have the ball, it took him all of two games to make the most shots in a single game of anyone on the team all year?

If someone found a piece of gold or two and said there might be more up in that mountain over there, I don't know about you, but I'd probably get a better look.
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Well, it's been said already that he has to be a focus of the offense to succeed. If you are willing to gamble on him because of those two games that you just mentioned, then suit yourself.

3 teams went to that mountain and all 3 passed on the "gold," so again - suit yourself.
 
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