Should Ike Diogu be re-signed? (split and merged)
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I'm one of the people that actually think he can make an impact, and even then I'm not sure it would be a good idea to bring him back. I don't want to be put in a position where we waste more money on an unknown who ends up underwhelming us. Right now we need some assurance in our moves and direction.
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sactownfan
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I really dont think Ike is an option at this point for two reasons.
One... Im not paying $$$ for a guy that flashed some good in just 2 meaningless games at the end of the year. Maybe he could be alright but there is no indication that he can be consistent... or that the 2 games were anymore than a fluke.
Two... Hes undersized... and with Brockman/KT/and friends we need at least one more 7ft'er on this team...
I think a move you'll probably see is Beno and KT for a decent 7ft-ish player.
another move could just be Beno straight up for an equal talented big, to a team that needs a backup or has an injury prone PG and also has an extra avg big sitting around.
One... Im not paying $$$ for a guy that flashed some good in just 2 meaningless games at the end of the year. Maybe he could be alright but there is no indication that he can be consistent... or that the 2 games were anymore than a fluke.
Two... Hes undersized... and with Brockman/KT/and friends we need at least one more 7ft'er on this team...
I think a move you'll probably see is Beno and KT for a decent 7ft-ish player.
another move could just be Beno straight up for an equal talented big, to a team that needs a backup or has an injury prone PG and also has an extra avg big sitting around.
Bobby Jackson said that Ike was killing our bigs in practice every day and had no idea why he wasn't getting any PT. He showed it in practice. I would have no qualms about bringing him back at a relatively low price.
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sactownfan
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honestly WHO THE HELL KNOWS WHAT WAS GOIN ON IN PRACTICE LAST YEAR!?!?!
LOL!!! Seriously... If it was anything like the games then you or I could have done some damage!
Showtime
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Well, when he kills Hawes and JT, and then he kills whenever he gets PT (against Nene no less), then the problem is less with Ike and more with the coaching staff who refused to put him on the court to assess him until it was too late, and now the team is in this doubt mode because of his contract year. If we had weeks of evaluation instead of a couple games, maybe we wouldn't be so questioning. That's on Natt and co., not Ike.
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sactownfan
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also im sorry but i couldn't resist...
WE TALK'N BOUT PRACTICE!!! I MEAN PRACTICE??? COME ON MAN... PRACTICE?? WE TALK'N BOUT PRACTICE!
again im not paying anyone for being good in practice... for all we know Douby was the Michael Jordan of the Kings in practice... but if you can't put it together consistently on the court im not gonna waste any more money on overrated vets that fall short on earning their paychecks...
WE TALK'N BOUT PRACTICE!!! I MEAN PRACTICE??? COME ON MAN... PRACTICE?? WE TALK'N BOUT PRACTICE!
again im not paying anyone for being good in practice... for all we know Douby was the Michael Jordan of the Kings in practice... but if you can't put it together consistently on the court im not gonna waste any more money on overrated vets that fall short on earning their paychecks...
Showtime
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Again, the difference is that he killed when he got into GAMES and played some good minutes. It was practice + real games, not just practice.
vikinginferno
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The thing is he did put it together consistently on the court when he got any PT.
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sactownfan
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wow are all you pro Ike guys joking??? !!! TWO FREAK'N GAMES!!! YOU WANNA PAY THIS GUY FOR 2 FREAK'N END OF THE YEAR, TOTALLY MEANINGLESS GAMES!? WOW YOUR OUTA YOUR FREAK'N MINDS!
he hadn't done anything close to that in years leading up to those last games... Keep in mind agains Minny Al Jefferson wasn't playing...
just WOW!
its not like paying Brockman a few hundred grand... Ike is gonna be way over paid
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Showtime
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Try hard to comprehend this: I clearly said the issue with Ike is the COACHING STAFF WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE 2 FREAKIN GAMES INSTEAD OF US HAVING WEEKS OF GAMES TO EVALUATE HIM.
Why is that so difficult to grasp? We wouldn't be having so much doubt about him because of two games if we had more to go on. What we do know is that he killed in practice. What we do know is that he played well in two meaningless games when he had minutes, and did so against top competition (nene). So, since we have so little to go on, that is on the COACHES, not Ike. Ike doesn't control the rotations.
And about him not working out elsewhere: he never got consistent minutes. A post player isn't getting play with Nelly's warriors. He had some nice games in Indy, but he played behind O'neal and Harrington and didn't get much time. In Portland, he was rarely used at all and was just a filler. So, judging him on that where he either wasn't on a team that used him, or played behind guys and didn't get minutes, isn't fair IMO. Why? Because he's a post scorer who needs the ball, not a 6 minute filler who has no part in the offense. We needed more to see, and the COACHES are responsible for the doubt. Natt is responsible for us having little to evaluate him on.
And just because I want the Kings to sign him doesn't mean I want a big deal for him or the 4 mil QO. I don't have a problem letting him become a UFA and then offering him a 2 year, 4 mil deal.
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sactownfan
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ok im with you on the Coaches being total douchbags about not playing him...
but... its done and over with and too late.... Im not ok with even 2mil a year for 2 years... when we could just sign one of these non drafted bigs for less than a Mil.
also Nene had been battling all year and was probably in need of a break with the extra effort being made for the push into the playoffs...
Ike had rested all year for those 2 games...
but... its done and over with and too late.... Im not ok with even 2mil a year for 2 years... when we could just sign one of these non drafted bigs for less than a Mil.
also Nene had been battling all year and was probably in need of a break with the extra effort being made for the push into the playoffs...
Ike had rested all year for those 2 games...
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And how many of those undrafted bigs torched Nene? Do you realize that 2 mil a year is not much more than the minimum? It's not that much.
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sactownfan
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you do well against a quality big once all year in ONE game and we should resign him??? wow!!!
it was like Ike's SUPER BOWL ! ! ! im glad he did well... but wow
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Showtime
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Dude, you are acting as if Ike is getting a Beno deal at 5 mil for 5 years. A vey short term deal that's a bit higher than the minimum isn't that big of a deal. Calm down.
steelevt
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i have friends who were warriors fans who say ike is underrated and just never got enough PT. now he didnt get much pt here but at the end of the season he tried to make the most of it. im assuming most pro ike posters dont want to overpay for him, maybe try to sign him for the vets minimum or something. if we can get him cheap, im for it. id feel more confident in a guy who does well in practice against nba players, and he did well in the few games he played for us as opposed to giving the money to some undrafted rookie who has never stepped on the court. you say that we shouldnt pay the guy based on a few games in the nba and good practice, yet you want to pay people not good enough to even be drafted and never stepped on the nba court?
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sactownfan
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well its not just the Ike situation... its this team giving money to guys that really haven't proved a whole lot... Beno didn't prove his worth by playing well in a contract year... its statistically proven that many players (hard to believe) have career or near career years when its time to get paid...
Beno played a whole year and i wasn't convinced... Ike played 2 games that just seems so ridiculous to me that we would even consider bringing him back.
I will end this convo with this... The Maloofs are cheap as hell right now and wont pay him... thats that...
I dunno, I think getting another 7 footer on the roster is a MUST. We need two bookend bigs to play the 5 for match-ups etc. With that said, I think we should just extend the QO to Ike, let him take it and give him a full ONE season to prove what he can do. If he proves to us he's worth any money, we got him as an RFA and can lock him up as our 3rd big of the future. If he sucks, then cut him loose and we get that cap room for 2010.
We have some money to spend this off-season and Ike is as safe a bet, with the highest reward we could get for >4 million dollars. I say take the shot. He proved a lot in practice, why not take that one year flyer on him and find out FOR SURE what he has to offer.
SacTownKid
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I think the Brockman pick might well have signaled an end to Diogu's tenure as a King, but if he could be kept, I'd have no problem. I love his tenacity and his heart. His production at the end of the year is all we have to go on for the simple reason he wasn't ours for most of the year. He stayed ready, though, and responded each and every time his number was called. I admire that.
As far as trading KT and Beno for a 7 footer, I don't think we have enough kool-aid left to get a GM to buy into that scenario.
That would be a shame. The day Brockman puts up 30 and 11 in a game is the day hell freezes over. I do however really like Brockman for what he can do.
I think Diogu gets re-signed myself and he and Brockman pound Jason and Spencer in practice every day.
SacTownKid
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This is an argument I don't understand. He weighs in the neighborhood of 255. He has a near 7'4" wingspan, 9'1" standing reach, and did better on the bench than about 90% of the C's in draftexpress.com's combine results. He also does one thing Jason and Spencer can't. Bang in the post.
Like Jerry Reynolds says, you don't play with the top of your head, and we aren't talking about a skinny, stubby PF here.
And we paid big money for a guard that flashed in his short stint with us, and I never saw him do what Diogu did. You can't discredit that it took Diogu all of 3 really games in which he played some significant minutes to break the season mark for FG's made by a King in a single game. No, we need to at least give that another look, he should be very sign-able too. I doubt we have to come close to dropping a contract like Beno's on Ike. Worst case the guy is probably the most serviceable backup PF/C we've had since Keon Clark.
SacTownKid
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Hahaha, with what!? The problem with picking "under the radar" guys like Thompson, Casspi, Brockman, etc. is that they most certainly don't have that immediate trade value some other players would have. With the kind of players they are, and where they were picked, they are going to have to have 1 or 2 good seasons to have significant enough trade value to make such a deal.
SacTownKid
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All the talk is, is that Ike worked hard in practice every day and supposedly put the same type of beatings down on everyone in practice. Not only that but when you break your personal scoring record in one game, and then the next break your personal rebounding mark...eh...I don't know how much luck is involved at that point. Especially that game against Nene. He just manhandled Nene. You know, the same Nene that seems to always seems to abuse the Kings when ever we play the Nuggets?
I look at it this way, Ike will most likely be cheap, we have a roster spot or 3 open, Ike didn't just garbage his way into a few good games, no, he impressed big time. We also have room under the cap so this team won't be paying any tax regardless.
kingsnation
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Hell can't freeze over twice. The day Ike got 30/11 was the first time it happened....
30 and 11 in a meaningless game in a contract year is hardly impressive.
Showtime
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People act like he's a scrub. He lead the pac 10 in scoring. The dude's a post scorer, so he needs the ball and minutes to put up the numbers. That's why he hasn't been productive so far in his career. They haven't given him the ball, and haven't played him that many minutes. For a player like Scott Pollard who does nothing but rebound and get putbacks, that may be fine. But for a guy who is primarily a scorer, he's not going to impress when he doesn't touch the ball and only plays a few minutes. That's why he produced in those games because not only did he play big minutes, but they GAVE HIM THE BALL on the block, which he needs.
kingsnation
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And how many years ago was that?
Truth is, people act like he's a scrub because he's been a scrub his whole NBA career, outside of maybe a month or 2.
SacTownKid
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It did!? Wow, I'd hate to see what happened when he pulled 28 and 13 out the very next game. Satan better get a winter coat.
I tend to agree. I don't think Diogu has been in the right place at the right time, but I do not think he's useless or a scrub - a word I really hate to see bandied about so freely.
Wow. I'm sorry, but I think 30/11 is ALWAYS impressive and more so from someone who has been sitting on the bench, could easily have allowed himself to get totally out of condition, and is, by all records, an exemplary teammate and nice guy to boot.
Entity
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its was 4 years ago. Just because you don't get playing time your first 4 years in the NBA doesn't mean your a scrub. I don't care anyway but, I do see some basis to the argument.
Given a consistent 30 min a game Diogu could give you 15pts 8reb. I am not sure what the hangup is. He looked decent on defense.
He is good for 8pts 4reb with 15 min a game. Those numbers are comparable to any starting NBA PF given the amount of pt.
For comparisons sake first name that came to mind Chris Bosh
23pts 10reb 1blk in 38 min. now cut that time in half (19 min) that would be 11.5pts 5reb .5 blks. Now take another 4 min off that your going to be about 9pts 4reb just like Diogu with 15 min.
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