Should Brad Miller be on Notice?

[SacDoug]

Play defense or else.

One of the things that most impressed me about the game vs Denver is this: Ron Artest with only one practice ran the offense late in the 4th.

If Ron continues to improve and learn the offense more, then he will be able to regularly run the offense. That means the King's don't have to have Brad Miller on the floor. Skinner could play more minutes without as much of a impact on the King's offense. That makes Miller's lack of effort on the defensive side stick out like a sore thumb.

Maybe this will be enough to motivate Miller to put forth a little more effort than going from 1.2 bpg to this season's .48 bpg.

 

[startingtohurt]

Play defense or else.
That makes Miller's lack of effort on the defensive side stick out like a sore thumb.

pun intended? haha...but seriously, i was very impressed with how ron ran the offense last night. i think brad SHOULD be out on notice for his lack of D, however, ron and brad a buds, so maybe brad can keep him in check. i think we're fine having brad around because now that we have 2 low post players in ron and bonzi, brad should have a field day when those two draw double teams...

 

[ESP47]

Artest and Bonzi will kick Brads *** into gear!

 

[AriesMar27]

or maybe that will make millers offensive game that much better... like when we had doug to run our offense so bibby and peja could do their things.... that made millers job much easier, that and playing next to divac....

 

[Bricklayer]

Brad's got some significant physical issues when it comes to defense. Not as simple as him just wanting to -- he may not have it in him. Even last years 1.2blks came atop an inept defensive performance -- empty block numbers meaning little. Nobody was afraid of him in there.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Is this the Colbert Report now?

Listen up Brad, you're on notice. If you don't start playing D, you'll be dead to me. Respond by Friday or you're a coward.

Seriously though, I am hoping Miller steps it up with Artest on the court. One of the reasons I've always been a huge fan of acquiring Artest was because I remembered how Miller played with Artest when they were both with the Bulls and Pacers. Its also why I am in no hurry to make any more moves right now. He could also be a major influence on Garcia.

 

[foretaz]

u will be amazed at how much better millers defense appears to be when bonzi and ron are on the floor....

individual defense is very important, but dont underestimate team defense....by having two very good defenders on the floor, the other guys almost always appear to become better defenders....

sacramentos biggest problem for quite some time has been theyve never really had more than one really good defender on the floor....that, and one does question their understanding of team defensive concepts from time to time....

this is also why i mentioned that skinner should be inserted into the starting lineup alongside brad....if he were, i think u would find that the kings would become a very, very good defensive team....as well as being very potent on the offensive end.....

 

[Sac.Kings]

Artest and Bonzi are like those 2 guys from the Mighty Duck movies that kick everyones *** when someone starts messing with the team

 

[SK23]

Brad Miller's defense is so bad... even my 11 year old brother can practice layup drills over him.

 

[SacDoug]

I can't see how much Bonzi and Ron's defense is going to make Brad's defense any better. Brad's defense consists of holding his arms over his head and staring at the shot as it goes into the basket.

 

[DocHolliday]

As Colbert says, Brad Miller you're on noitce *Pointing authoritatively*. I agree with Briclayer. I don't really think it's a lack of effort on Brad's end. It's a physical inability. He try's, he just can't get there. He was never fast, but he significantly slowed down after the leg break. It really has slowed him down that muchmore. Before this time is complete in being rebuit he has to be dealt and we have to get an athletic TRUE center.

 

[SoupIsGood]

I honestly don't think Brad is a bad defender. He was a least decent in Indy. Something is wrong, he is being used wrong, needs a different kind of player playing next to him, something. He shouldn't be the cause of your defensive problems.

 

[SK23]

^^ Talk about a time difference. Miller is probably the most unathletic player in the NBA. What we need is a more traditional center that can rebound and defend the paint. Skinner is a quality center with some defensive presence but he won't be enough.

 

[foretaz]

I can't see how much Bonzi and Ron's defense is going to make Brad's defense any better. Brad's defense consists of holding his arms over his head and staring at the shot as it goes into the basket.

i dont think u understand how having a weak perimeter defense, which the kings have had, affects the post defense....

if u have the perimeter constantly being broken down, it puts undue pressure on the post defenders....

why do u think uve been calling for a shot blocker so much??? its because the perimeter gets beat and u need an eraser in the middle....

if that doesnt happen then the post defenders can concentrate much more on playing their man, something that brad is not that terrible at....it allows them to concentrate much more on positioning as it relates to defending one man instead of being in a position to constantly help....

u think brad is a poor defender because hes not a great off the ball defender and shotblocker-which hes not...however, hes an adequate on the ball defender....if u put another guy alongside him thats like that-which skinner would definitely fill the bill-then u would have a pretty solid defensive team....

the kings main problem has always been they start a team that focuses on offense and hopes to overcome any defensive deficiencies by simply tryiing to outscore the opponent....thats a stretch, under any circumstances...

brad is not a poor defender, hes a poor help defender....theres a big difference....u now dont require nearly as much help as u went from peja to ron on the perimeter....since brad will be doing less helping on defense and more straight up defending, he will appear to be a much better defender, as hes now doing the things hes better at, while not having to attempt to do what hes weak at..

 

[SK23]

^^ In other words Brad is a good defender.

 

[Sirius]

Skinner is a quality center with some defensive presence but he won't be enough.

He's not THAT good.

 

[Kings113]

uthis is also why i mentioned that skinner should be inserted into the starting lineup alongside brad....if he were, i think u would find that the kings would become a very, very good defensive team....as well as being very potent on the offensive end.....

Absolutely agree. It CAN and SHOULD happen, maybe he put SAR in there vs. Denver just for speed-reasons, as I'm not sure about SAR at center (or even in the starting line-up with his jaw-wired) vs. Utah x2.

 

[bozzwell]

Is it me or are there now "trade Miller" posts randonmly inflicted upon the forum from the same memebers who couldn't wait to get rid of Pedja?

What's the over-under on how long before we see posts under name "tradebrad"? And who is going to be next on the hit list if Brad is traded?

Do you guys take a day off - when it is safe for the rest of us to discuss Kings basketball without random Trade xxxx interruptions?

I thought that searing, pathological, irrational hatred of Webber was bad enough in certain spots, but these random acts of trade-of-the-day posts are equal in being complete nonsense with no value.

 

[DocHolliday]

^^ In other words Brad is a good defender.

He would be if he could move.

 

[BMiller52]

Is it me or are there now "trade Miller" posts randonmly inflicted upon the forum from the same memebers who couldn't wait to get rid of Pedja?

What's the over-under on how long before we see posts under name "tradebrad"? And who is going to be next on the hit list if Brad is traded?

Do you guys take a day off - when it is safe for the rest of us to discuss Kings basketball without random Trade xxxx interruptions?

I thought that searing, pathological, irrational hatred of Webber was bad enough in certain spots, but these random acts of trade-of-the-day posts are equal in being complete nonsense with no value.

Yeah. Why do you guys want to trade someone? We just made a big trade anyways. Trade Webber! Trade Peja! Trade Brad! What's next trade Bibby? Let this new team grow, if we get a post defender/blocker/rebounder it should be next to Brad, not for Brad.

 

[DaMan]

Yeah. Why do you guys want to trade someone? We just made a big trade anyways. Trade Webber! Trade Peja! Trade Brad! What's next trade Bibby? Let this new team grow, if we get a post defender/blocker/rebounder it should be next to Brad, not for Brad.

This is coming from somebody that wanted to trade peja and Sar. But any way, people are just putting up thoughts on how to improve this team. Just like when people wanted to trade peja for his many weakness, many want to trade sar and brad for there def woes, it does not mean they suck. Everybody knows we need one more move and its in the frontcourt for a def player. Just because he is your favorite player or played on team the longest does not make him invisiable to cristism or trade talk.

 

[artestG]

Artest and Bonzi are like those 2 guys from the Mighty Duck movies that kick everyones *** when someone starts messing with the team

fow show! dowg those guys will smash your *** if they see you acting the punk

 

[Sirius]

What's next trade Bibby?

In the beginning of the season when he couldn't hit jack, it was all about trading Bibby...ha ha.

 

[foretaz]

^^ In other words Brad is a good defender.

very nice...i provide u with a very rational explanation of how things are...

and this is ur response....

since i have little in this comment to go on, i guess ill take it to mean that everything i said made very good sense and indeed was very accurate, but u just dont like miller and therefore feel compelled to blast a guy that plays for ur team just to satisfy ur need to be negative towards the guy...

i really dont understand people like u...IF brad can remain healthy, hes a solid center right now....and he brings alot to the floor...and not unlike other players, hes better with certain players around him than others...

do u also blast bibby for his poor defense??? bibby is much worse at defending his own man individually than miller is....miller isnt a shotblocker...and u apparently have a great deal of disdain for him because of that....nevermind, all the things he does well???? and the one thing he does poorly is now much less of a priority with the addition of artest...

so whats the problem???

 

[6th]

fow show! dowg those guys will smash your *** if they see you acting the punk

Oh geez!! This is primarily an adult board where we speak English. There are plenty of boards around like you seem to be looking for. This isn't one of them.

 

[DocHolliday]

Is it me or are there now "trade Miller" posts randonmly inflicted upon the forum from the same memebers who couldn't wait to get rid of Pedja?

What's the over-under on how long before we see posts under name "tradebrad"? And who is going to be next on the hit list if Brad is traded?

Do you guys take a day off - when it is safe for the rest of us to discuss Kings basketball without random Trade xxxx interruptions?

I thought that searing, pathological, irrational hatred of Webber was bad enough in certain spots, but these random acts of trade-of-the-day posts are equal in being complete nonsense with no value.

Because eventually getting rid of brad will pretty much complete the rebuild besides making the bench a bit better if we could...although it's not bad at all at this point. We are building a more aggressive defensive, yet offensive, athletic team. At least that looks like what we're going towards. Brad doesn't fit in that. The reason I think Bibby stays, is because of his passing and shot making ability. Yeah he sucks at defense, but you better replace him with someone damn good, a complete 2 way guard. Brad can play, he brings some good things, I just don't think he fits into the future plans.

I'm not saying trade him for a scrub. Keep him until the right deal comes along. But, I think it's inevitable IMO.

 

[SacDoug]

I went through a good portion of the King's schedule this year. There are a few games where opposing centers that averaged around 10 ppg had 20+ games but there were not that many. Most of the games, Brad kept them to some resonable numbers.

I can accept your arguments, foretaz. That will make me watch Brad closer now. There should not be nearly as many people getting past the King's parimeter now as before. I hope that the help defense and rotations can get better too.

 

[bozzwell]

Because eventually getting rid of brad will pretty much complete the rebuild besides making the bench a bit better if we could...although it's not bad at all at this point. We are building a more aggressive defensive, yet offensive, athletic team. At least that looks like what we're going towards. Brad doesn't fit in that. The reason I think Bibby stays, is because of his passing and shot making ability. Yeah he sucks at defense, but you better replace him with someone damn good, a complete 2 way guard. Brad can play, he brings some good things, I just don't think he fits into the future plans.

I'm not saying trade him for a scrub. Keep him until the right deal comes along. But, I think it's inevitable IMO.

First, let's be realistic. Because of Miller's contract, injury history and well documented shortcomings in D and hustle, we will never get equal value in return.

We don't need All NBA hustle and D at every position. In fact, Ron and Bonzi provide so much hustle and toughness that now we actually can keep BOTH Bibby and Miller. To go forward, we need big clogging guy who can board - just like Brick said. Realistically, we have better chance of getting that guy at 4. Now, I love what SAR is doing for us in terms of being perfect pro and all hart. Ditto KT's rebounding. But we really can't afford to keep all three of them and Brad is least tradeable because of what I listed above and because he is one of the few centers in the NBA that can walk and chew gum at the same time without falling over. For Pete's sake this is the same league in which two-packs-a-day Vlade was signed to two year contract at the age of 36 and a full year past his sell by date.

Besides, Bibby and Miller fit well together and as has been mentioned elsewhere, Bibby, Artest and Miller (with Miller outside in his favorite spot) have potential to wreck defenses. Lets' not forget Bonzi either.

Not every team can (or should) be like Detroit.

 

[DocHolliday]

First, let's be realistic. Because of Miller's contract, injury history and well documented shortcomings in D and hustle, we will never get equal value in return.

We don't need All NBA hustle and D at every position. In fact, Ron and Bonzi provide so much hustle and toughness that now we actually can keep BOTH Bibby and Miller. To go forward, we need big clogging guy who can board - just like Brick said. Realistically, we have better chance of getting that guy at 4. Now, I love what SAR is doing for us in terms of being perfect pro and all hart. Ditto KT's rebounding. But we really can't afford to keep all three of them and Brad is least tradeable because of what I listed above and because he is one of the few centers in the NBA that can walk and chew gum at the same time without falling over. For Pete's sake this is the same league in which two-packs-a-day Vlade was signed to two year contract at the age of 36 and a full year past his sell by date.

Besides, Bibby and Miller fit well together and as has been mentioned elsewhere, Bibby, Artest and Miller (with Miller outside in his favorite spot) have potential to wreck defenses. Lets' not forget Bonzi either.

Not every team can (or should) be like Detroit.

I'm not saying make them detroit. I'm jus saying get a guy that can move and help on the interior. I agree that it would be VERY hard to trade Brad, because of the very things you listed. I've been saying that when talking to friends. It could take a while, but it needs to be done. Artest and Bonzi can't be everywhere. You need someone who can help in the middle, and unfortunately Brad can't. IF a guy gets by someone and Brad is the only one left. 8 times out of 10 they get their way. Doesn't mean they get the shot, they still have to make it, but they get to do what they want with minimal resistance. It's a sad fact. I wish Brad could do it, I like Brad. This game isn't about just having a likeable guy though. *shrugs*

If it were to everyone happen though I think it would have to be a 3 team deal. Someone who specifically wants brad for something, sends a guy to another team, that equals out what they will give up to us. Something like that. It won't be tomorrow, would be amazingly surprised if it happened before the trade deadline. It could take a year or two, and Brad's trade value will most likely lower. It doesn't have to neccessarily but it probably will as he ages and gets even slower. I hope he proves me wrong though.

 

[SacDoug]

I didn't make this thread to say trade Miller. I meant make him sit on the bench.