Shams Bomb! Keon Ellis and Dennis Schroder traded to Cleveland in 3 team deal. Kings acquire De’Andre Hunter

Kingz19 said:
what does D-LEBRON vs Role avg measure for those that don’t keep up with the ever expanding advanced stats to watch?
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Like most advanced stats, an answer looking for a question that fits. IIRC I remember hearing that stat heavily favors bigs. To the point where it's very hard to use as a metric position to position.
 
hrdboild said:
Or... crazy idea. Fox may just he telling the truth because he's got nothing to hide and no one outside of Sacramento blames him for wanting to leave? I'm not going to speak to what his wife's motives may or may not be. That crosses a line for me. There is a certain Shakespearean appeal to the idea of a real-life Macbeth scenario, but that doesn't mean I believe it.
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Don't know how much you do or don't use twitter but Fox's wife isn't some backstage influence, she's front and center running internet PR for him and put together a sizable influencer army who all blame Domas for everything that happened to Brown. She got into an altercation with a player who was at one point in time a good enough friend to be in their wedding party on the court after Fox's homecoming. I view the fact that I acutely know who a player's wife is on about the same par as knowing a referee's name. It's generally not good.

Fox quit on Brown before he quit on us. Fox got Brown fired as much as anyone else on the team. Then used that as a trade demand. You believe what you want but to me those three sentences are truth.
 
Kingz19 said:
what does D-LEBRON vs Role avg measure for those that don’t keep up with the ever expanding advanced stats to watch?
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LEBRON is BB Index's flagship stat and looking up their explanation it appears like it is very much dependent on how a team uses a player. So if a player goes against the other team's best player every night they are going to look bad unless they are lock down on D.

Then the "role average" convolutes things because BB Index assigns your role and they don't always get it right. But it appears BB Index requires paid membership so I couldn't get much info on Hunter.

www.bball-index.com

LEBRON Introduction - Basketball Index

Read about BBall Index's LEBRON impact metric, a next level metric to estimate impact of NBA players since the 2009-10 season.
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Hunter would have been a great pick up to pair with Keegan the season they made arguably the worst signing in Kings history in DDR when you had Fox.

The trade would be a win but the team is trying to tank.....
 
Keon on a value contract was awesome. Keon on a veteran contract would be just ok.

Given how little of Keon's destiny we contractually controlled, we weren't in a position to extract a lot of value from trading him.

Trading Schröder is a puzzle though; the core question remains unanswered: is Perry still trying to build around Domas?
 
Insomniacal Fan said:
Keon on a value contract was awesome. Keon on a veteran contract would be just ok.

Given how little of Keon's destiny we contractually controlled, we weren't in a position to extract a lot of value from trading him.

Trading Schröder is a puzzle though; the core question remains unanswered: is Perry still trying to build around Domas?
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And what was the reason for not having control
 
hrdboild said:
Man, don't even try to throw this LaVine ish in my face. I shot that down already last year. Dude is a fraud, always has been. And we're not even close to top 10 defensively so having an elite scorer does us no good anyway.

Ellis is 26 and currently making $2 million per year. He was undrafted and is not a consistent starter. He would have signed for a lot less than Hunter is making now and we had him under team control already and could have kept him that way for 4 more years. And he would have been one of the best value contracts in the league for what he contributes on the court. All we get with Hunter is one year and then he's an Unrestricted Free Agent. Why would he want to re-sign here knowing he won't sniff the playoffs for the next 3 years at least?

And if there is an Ellis in every draft, how come the Kings don't pick them? He's not just a role-player, he is a good role-player. A guy you can sick on the other team's best guard and he can actually have an impact on the game. I also like Cardwell for the same reason but having Cardwell does not mean we no longer need Ellis. It's the same stupid thing I've been hearing for the last 20 years out of this franchise. Here's our one good defender. We'll play them 20 mpg and barely sniff .500 year after year after year while we just keep piling on more scorers thinking that will work.
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For the record I adore Cardwell.....I dont care that he has no offense......and was unhappy that Kings management kept him out for a month or so into the season. Undrafted golden pickup. His Auburn highlights sold me in 5 mins or whatever.
 
Warhawk said:
RE: bolded items only.

I have no clue how good Hunter is. I just know we balanced out the roster a bit giving up a DEEP bench player that is pretty much washed, a player we signed this summer that everyone wanted gone, and a fan favorite undersized pesky guard who couldn't break into the rotation. We also gave up (likely) a very late second round pick. We got a decent sized wing who historically was OK on D and could hit a three (from what I've gathered so far). I have no idea if it is a "win". At least on paper, from a roster construction standpoint, it seems to make some sense to me.

We have no idea if we could have signed Keon to an extension. That's speculation. Maybe his agent basically told us that he wanted to play elsewhere? That's also speculation, but possibly more realistic given his lack of playing time, etc.
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On this note, should note that Keon and Dennis have the same agent (also Keegs, so I dunno, be ready for a shocking trade) so they might’ve been a package deal.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Man, we have some harsh critics on this here forum.

I am willing to wait this one out before passing final judgment. Because a move like this tells me that Scott wants to put his fingerprints all over the next reincarnation of the Sacramento Kings. While it's tough to see Keon leave, I can understand why Scott has decided to send him elsewhere.

Ideally, I would've loved to see a handful of picks coming our way, but at the end of the day, I am also "glad" to see Schroder get sent out, and I have no real opinion one way or the other on Saric.

It also gives us an opportunity to see Cardwell be featured more, and that is something I can live with.

I wish Keon well. I hope he excels in Cleveland.
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Handful may be expecting too much, but how bout one 2nd round pick. Yes, Schroder was a poor free agent signing, and not a good first impression for the new General Manager.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Man, we have some harsh critics on this here forum.

I am willing to wait this one out before passing final judgment. Because a move like this tells me that Scott wants to put his fingerprints all over the next reincarnation of the Sacramento Kings. While it's tough to see Keon leave, I can understand why Scott has decided to send him elsewhere.

Ideally, I would've loved to see a handful of picks coming our way, but at the end of the day, I am also "glad" to see Schroder get sent out, and I have no real opinion one way or the other on Saric.

It also gives us an opportunity to see Cardwell be featured more, and that is something I can live with.

I wish Keon well. I hope he excels in Cleveland.
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Moves like this are usually precursor moves to something else. Opening up two roster slots makes it easier to trade a big contract (Domas?) for a couple of slightly smaller deals or a bigger deal and the cheap young guy you’re actually excited about getting on the roster.
 
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