Seth Curry

and to be honest, good PG's are far harder to come by than SG's.

Not anymore. :)

In part because most of the PGs act like SGs anyway, thus rendering SGs as just "the other guy" without the ball.

Last summer I did a thing on teams of the great centers of the past, and one of the patterns which somewhat emerged was that many of them used backcourts with multiple ball handlers/passers. I still think you absolutely MUST get your hands on a Thabo or somebody here to slow down hot guards with size, but as long as Curry does not forget the defensive scrap that first got him a look its not impossible to have have eating up SG minutes in a double ballhandling set.
 
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Not anymore. :)

In part because most of the PGs act like SGs anyway, thus rendering SGs as just "the other guy" without the ball.

Last summer I did a thing on teams of the great centers of the past, and one of the patterns which somewhat emerged was that many of them used backcourts with multiple ball handlers/passers. I still think you absolutely MUST get your hands on a Thabo or somebody here to slow down hot guards with size, but as long as Curry does not forget the defensive scrap that first got him a look its not impossible to have have eating up SG minutes in a double ballhandling set.

Thabo's and McLemore's salary are sure close....
 
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Not anymore. :)

In part because most of the PGs act like SGs anyway, thus rendering SGs as just "the other guy" without the ball.

Last summer I did a thing on teams of the great centers of the past, and one of the patterns which somewhat emerged was that many of them used backcourts with multiple ball handlers/passers. I still think you absolutely MUST get your hands on a Thabo or somebody here to slow down hot guards with size, but as long as Curry does not forget the defensive scrap that first got him a look its not impossible to have have eating up SG minutes in a double ballhandling set.

Point well taken. Perhaps I should have said that 6'4"/6'5" players are a dime a dozen, but players that are very good passers, shooters, and ballhandlers, are hard to come by. That way you can call them what you will. That's why I said I thought of Curry as a combo guard, which seems to be the craze right now.
 
From all I gather Curry would be a unrestricted free agent if he opts out, we can't match offer sheets. Can anyone give some finality to this?
 
Also James Anderson has a player option for next season and you know he is taking it. James Anderson will be on this roster next season short of cutting him.
 
By the way, if you go to the measurements history part of DraftExpress, they give the exact measurments and it has Curry listed at 6'3" in shoes. Making him almost the exact height of McCollum.

Yes, exactly. That is what I was wondering for Seth listed height.

He was measured at the exact same height as CJ McCollum at the draft combine (6' 2 1/2" with shoes) and CJ is now listed at 6'4" and somehow Seth shrank to 6'2"? o_O

Yet, CJ McCollum, because he is listed at 6'4", is viewed as a legitimate starting Shooting Guard in the NBA and Seth, because he is listed at 6'2" is viewed as a tweener/combo guard, a Shooting Guard stuck in a point guard's body. :rolleyes:
 
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From all I gather Curry would be a unrestricted free agent if he opts out, we can't match offer sheets. Can anyone give some finality to this?

That is incorrect. Because he has only three years of service and was not a first-round draft pick, he is eligible for restricted free agency. We can match any offer sheet, but we do not have Bird Rights so we would have to match the offer sheet with cap space, not an exception.
 
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That is incorrect. Because he has only three years of service and was not a first-round draft pick, he is eligible for restricted free agency. We can match any offer sheet, but we do not have Bird Rights so we would have to match the offer sheet with cap space, not an exception.


Gilbert Arenas rule right?

At any rate, the only way he really leaves is if we completely drop the ball. Teams aren't going to gamble on a 15 good games for a 6'2 guard that we really don't know where he should be playing at yet. And Seth has already earned quite a bit of equity with us as far as carving out a rotational spot at the very least.

I think this could very much be a Will Barton type of situation. Guy has a good end to the year, we give him a 3 year deal at 3-3.5 a year, and he ends up being one of the better values in the league.
 
Not anymore. :)

In part because most of the PGs act like SGs anyway, thus rendering SGs as just "the other guy" without the ball.

Last summer I did a thing on teams of the great centers of the past, and one of the patterns which somewhat emerged was that many of them used backcourts with multiple ball handlers/passers. I still think you absolutely MUST get your hands on a Thabo or somebody here to slow down hot guards with size, but as long as Curry does not forget the defensive scrap that first got him a look its not impossible to have have eating up SG minutes in a double ballhandling set.

His long-term value as a starter though, will be at PG. He's someone who can eat SG minutes like you said, but he's not big enough or a good enough athlete to handle 30+ minutes at SG every night. Avery Bradley and Sidney Moncrief are the only 2 small SG's I can think of who really defended the position at a high level
 
We found a jewel in Seth and better not let him slip away. I like the idea of Collison and Seth handling the PG duties with someone else as an emergency 3rd pg. He has the proper DNA and who knows where his ceiling is? It's not in the Steph atmosphere BUT ... we don't know, do we? It might be exactly enough for a great team. (whatever that meant :rolleyes: )
 
His long-term value as a starter though, will be at PG. He's someone who can eat SG minutes like you said, but he's not big enough or a good enough athlete to handle 30+ minutes at SG every night. Avery Bradley and Sidney Moncrief are the only 2 small SG's I can think of who really defended the position at a high level

If this were the era of Michael Jordan I would of course agree.

But there are so few big SGs who are real offensive forces at this point. Harden and Thompson, Butler if you call him a SG. deMar I suppose. But Curry's lack of size isn;t really going to matter against Shumpert, or Thabo or Danny Green or guys like that. The 6'4" guys are bigger, but not so big to really gain some major advantage off of it. And you have the two PG sets with guys like McCoolum where it might almost be a defensive advantage.

I absolutely think we need to add a strong and big defensive guard this offseason, but I'd say Curry could potentially handle 2/3 of the league's SGs right now matchupwise as long as he keeps a defensive focus, not to mention all the times teams try to go small with 2 PGs. I don't like undersized personnel, but right now there are few people at those positions to exploit it.
 
That is incorrect. Because he has only three years of service and was not a first-round draft pick, he is eligible for restricted free agency. We can match any offer sheet, but we do not have Bird Rights so we would have to match the offer sheet with cap space, not an exception.

This was an interesting point. Coon's CBA is ambiguous as to whether a non-first round pick with < 3 years of experience can unilaterally be made restricted free agents by the team after the contract has been signed. Given the context of the paragraph (talking about the only situations where it is permissible for a player to become restricted, otherwise the player is automatically unrestricted), one interpretation of what Coon wrote is that unrestricted free agency is the default for all players, but if a player meets one of the requirements, restricted free agent status is allowed to be negotiated into that player's contract.

But looking at the NBA's official CBA summary, it appears that a team can unilaterally make a player a restricted free agent simply by extending a qualifying offer, regardless of whether it is negotiated into the player's contract or not

III. FREE AGENCY

A. Definition of Free Agent Status

(1) First Round Picks. A first round pick will be a Restricted Free Agent (that is, will be subject to a right of first refusal in favor of his prior team) following the expiration of his Rookie Scale Contract if the team exercises its third and fourth year option and makes a Qualifying Offer to the player.

(2) Other Players. Any other player (other than a first round pick whose third or fourth year option was not exercised) will be a Restricted Free Agent at the conclusion of any player contract that expires after any of the first three seasons that the player is in the NBA, provided that the team makes a Qualifying Offer to the player.

So I don't know the point of this post other than to complain about the ambiguity in Larry Coon's FAQ :p
 
I'll hold off judgment on Curry until I see a larger sample size. It's too bad Karl had him buried at the end of the bench until circumstances came calling, but I'm not ready to anoint him a starting PG or SG or whatever you want to call him. For now, he is a nice scoring option off the bench, but then again he becomes redundant on the team with Collison and Rondo so therefore, Vlade has to make a decision on who he would rather keep.
 
I want Curry instead of Rondo. Curry plays defense and Rondo does not. Curry is a reliable three point shooter and I don't think we have seen the ceiling on that. Ronda is not a reliable three point shooter and I think he is at his ceiling. Rondo will command a huge salary which might make it very difficult to sign any other quality free agent like Ryan Anderson. So far it appears like the offense runs more fluidly with Curry and Collison than with Rondo.
 
Here's the thing, based on his recent performances, I think Curry has proved that he can play the PG position, and to be honest, good PG's are far harder to come by than SG's.
Curry hasn't proven dick yet.

Guy was buried on the bench the entirety of the games that the Kings' season was lost in, then came out in garbage time and got some good games.
And please - that Suns statline is absurdly misleading - it means almost NOTHING.
One of the few plays that game that demonstrated an actual bankable NBA skill was his pull-up 3 in transition - that comes up a lot in a season.
Behind the back passes against a team of nobodies who aren't playing defense doesn't prove anything, and did everyone miss how he did virtually nothing in the second half of the Thunder game, once they actually started giving him attention?

I like the guy, but come on - there's a reason why Rondo will get ~$15 million next year, and Curry won't get $5 mill.....
 
Its evident, Curry's been taking notes all this season from Rondo, while warming the bench. Some of his assists and drives are Rondo-ish looking. Papa Curry instructed him to steal them from Rondo? dunno, but he's a hard worker and he can evolve his game.
Now he can add some PG skills to his CV :cool:.
 
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Curry hasn't gotten significant minutes until now because he's had to play behind 2 top Point guards, and is severely undersized to play the 2. Casuals don't have a clue about Kings basketball. Every comment on youtube I see is bashing George Karl for this. He's said bad things about Curry, but he also said good things. He praised his defense way earlier in the season. Curry has been our best perimeter defender all season, but every chop off the block NBA fan will say Rondo.. Simply because they don't watch or follow the Kings. Karl managed him as best he could, having to distribute minutes between DC, Rondo, Belli and McLemore.

Personally, non Cousins Kings basketball looks exciting. Perimeter oriented. Team play.
 
We've heard this multiple times this season. Why isn't this person getting minutes? Why is this person getting minutes. The crowd jumps on the coach every game about something different. He's tried by far the most lineups this season. If anything, he's been too much so. Bottom line, it's hard to break into the rotation when you are 3rd string behind 2 really good point guards, who are both having exceptional years. Simple as that.
 
Curry hasn't gotten significant minutes until now because he's had to play behind 2 top Point guards, and is severely undersized to play the 2. Casuals don't have a clue about Kings basketball. Every comment on youtube I see is bashing George Karl for this. He's said bad things about Curry, but he also said good things. He praised his defense way earlier in the season. Curry has been our best perimeter defender all season, but every chop off the block NBA fan will say Rondo.. Simply because they don't watch or follow the Kings. Karl managed him as best he could, having to distribute minutes between DC, Rondo, Belli and McLemore.

Personally, non Cousins Kings basketball looks exciting. Perimeter oriented. Team play.

Curry also missed some opportunities early in the season when Rondo or Collison were hurt and he'd have been the backup PG but Curry was hurt at the same time.

And Karl did praise Curry but he did it in a way that he was simultaneously taking a jab at his own players through the media in the process. That's long been a criticism of Karl and how he interacts with his players.
 
I want Curry instead of Rondo. Curry plays defense and Rondo does not. Curry is a reliable three point shooter and I don't think we have seen the ceiling on that. Ronda is not a reliable three point shooter and I think he is at his ceiling. Rondo will command a huge salary which might make it very difficult to sign any other quality free agent like Ryan Anderson. So far it appears like the offense runs more fluidly with Curry and Collison than with Rondo.

While I am willing to bring back Rondo on a deal that won't break the bank [unlikely], I think going with Curry is the right option here because we all know that this league has become a jump shooting league and the more of them you have, the better your chances are of becoming a winner. Until that trend breaks and then the next champion will be something like the 2004 Detroit Pistons, defense defense and defense.
 
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Curry also missed some opportunities early in the season when Rondo or Collison were hurt and he'd have been the backup PG but Curry was hurt at the same time.

And Karl did praise Curry but he did it in a way that he was simultaneously taking a jab at his own players through the media in the process. That's long been a criticism of Karl and how he interacts with his players.

Worst thing of all, we all knew this prior to the season even starting. Numerous reports were posted on here how he threw Nuggets players under the bus through the media and Nuggets players calling him a snake, which he is.
 
Curry hasn't gotten significant minutes until now because he's had to play behind 2 top Point guards, and is severely undersized to play the 2. Casuals don't have a clue about Kings basketball. Every comment on youtube I see is bashing George Karl for this. He's said bad things about Curry, but he also said good things. He praised his defense way earlier in the season. Curry has been our best perimeter defender all season, but every chop off the block NBA fan will say Rondo.. Simply because they don't watch or follow the Kings. Karl managed him as best he could, having to distribute minutes between DC, Rondo, Belli and McLemore.

Personally, non Cousins Kings basketball looks exciting. Perimeter oriented. Team play.

It has at times, I admit. However, if the goal as a organization is to win championships, then you need a superstar or two on your team to get it done. Unless you are okay with being in the playoffs every year like Atlanta & Dallas and being out the first round or two.
 
It has at times, I admit. However, if the goal as a organization is to win championships, then you need a superstar or two on your team to get it done. Unless you are okay with being in the playoffs every year like Atlanta & Dallas and being out the first round or two.

As long as we can get more and more of that Geroge Karl action sign me up
 
So how bout that Curry tonight, eh?

Kinda shows what happens when a team actually tries to defend him.

I like Curry, but geez - people were WAY quick to jump the gun and anoint him as a good player.
He was simply manhandled against the Rockets - he could not compete against Beverly.

I, for one, do not want Curry relied on as the backup PG of the Kings yet.
Hasn't proven he can handle the responsibility.
 
So how bout that Curry tonight, eh?

Kinda shows what happens when a team actually tries to defend him.

I like Curry, but geez - people were WAY quick to jump the gun and anoint him as a good player.
He was simply manhandled against the Rockets - he could not compete against Beverly.

I, for one, do not want Curry relied on as the backup PG of the Kings yet.
Hasn't proven he can handle the responsibility.

I think the difference between last night and normal 6th-7th man minutes in the prime of the season is that last night he was the 1st or 2nd option. In the regular season he would be 3rd at best (DMC, Rudy, Collison). Yet, he will learn that garnering that attention generally means that either someone is open or a lesser defender is on them.

I don't think Curry will be having games of 20-15 on a regular basis but he has shown me enough this season to give me confidence to believe he is a lock for 15-5 on a regular basis with regular minutes.
 
Seth has some nice moments to end the season. IMO he is a combo guard with the ability to play PG or SG. I don't see him as the primary backup PG at this point, although he may develop into that spot. I do see him as the 4th or 5th guard who can be a contributor off the bench.
 
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