Scuffle between SAR and KT?
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Arena Skeptic
Bench
One of 'em has to go. It's just so incredibly obvious.
I'd say KT, but I think they'd get very little for him. They'd get more for Abdur-Raheem, but he's the better player.
If this blowup had happened in mid-February, you deal with it as best you can. But before the first pre-season game, I think this only will get worse.
The worst thing in these deals is that you get other players taking sides. This has the potential to affect way more than 2 players. So you handle it. You know, maybe you trade him for a conditional first-round pick (the other team's first non-top-20 pick, or something like that) and a player with an expiring or non-guaranteed contract (to make the salaries work).
But one of them has to go.
I'd say KT, but I think they'd get very little for him. They'd get more for Abdur-Raheem, but he's the better player.
If this blowup had happened in mid-February, you deal with it as best you can. But before the first pre-season game, I think this only will get worse.
The worst thing in these deals is that you get other players taking sides. This has the potential to affect way more than 2 players. So you handle it. You know, maybe you trade him for a conditional first-round pick (the other team's first non-top-20 pick, or something like that) and a player with an expiring or non-guaranteed contract (to make the salaries work).
But one of them has to go.
supamari0
Bench
You know what's funny about this is the fact that they've actually fought before and gone all out in the process.
When KT was down here in Houston, he and SAR got in a fight in Atlanta.
EDIT: Here it is. It's toward the end of the video. Personally I would say KT won.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQ5NcDPBj0
When KT was down here in Houston, he and SAR got in a fight in Atlanta.
EDIT: Here it is. It's toward the end of the video. Personally I would say KT won.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQ5NcDPBj0
quick dog
Starter
I am not so sure as I tuned to the station half way into the conversation. Both Shareef and KT insisted that it was nothing. And Artest was saying something like "everyone should see or be in a fight once a month.. something like that.." Its hard to follow what he tries to imply sometimes..
It makes sense to me. Ron is dialed-in. A little bit of blood lets out a lot of heat.
chelle
Starter
I am a HUGE fan of team chemisty and believe that it is key to success. I do think that KT is not a big promoter of brotherly love and, in the end, he may need to go. However, I don't think this "scuffle" is a big deal. Intense competition usually leads to moments like this. If fit makes them work to outplay each other - so be it. That will be good for the team. If it were a full blown fistfight, I would be more concerned.
Padrino
All-Star
kenny thomas isn't the kind of guy you worry about when concerning team chemistry. he's always disgruntled about something, but he's not the type to raise a huge stink. he mostly just pouts and whines. a guy like danny fortson is the type to worry about. a guy like that can really fracture team chemistry, cuz he's just a hot head. KT is just gonna be KT. he and SAR don't like each other. no big deal, cuz neither is a loud enough voice against the other to cause any real damage.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
Muss gave a big hint in who the starting PF will be on Kings.com in one of his practice interviews. He said that the starting PF will be picked in how he fits in with the rest of the starters. He said that he wants Mike, Ron, and Brad to shoot and that the starting PF will complement them. This, IMHO, tells me that KT is starting.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And actually I continue to think that is a wise idea, much in line with having Haslem start over Antoine Walker in Miami. SAR is a better player and better teammate, but having him start alongside 4 other guys who want to shoot just takes away from everyone's game, including his own. Also, wiht him off the bench we at least have a bench rather than just a bunch of ?s.
If Kevin could step up as a #3 gun and score maybe 16+, and if SAR could come off the bench as a top 6th man and get us maybe 12, I think that's about the best/most balanced structure we could have, adn would give us the best chance at a strong year. Throw in Salmons and Garcia (if he's healthy) as utility benchers to fill in around the edges and be reasonably complete, if small and soft.
moradi420
Bench
not really seeing as they have gotten into multiple arguments, and a fistfight before becoming kings
rhythmless
Starter
this is my exact line of thinking, even though emotionally, I would rather have SAR start and tell KT to shove it. KT isn't as effective off the bench not just because he doesn't want to be, but because his game does not fit into a bench player. KT is a role playing starter plug, and always will be. IMO, one of the reasons his numbers are so much better as a starter is that he gets the leftover and easy "right spot at the right time" points and rebounds provided from the starting unit. Abdur-rahim is suited to score in many ways, and that's what we need from the thin bench. i wonder if SAR realizes this, since he has stated he wants to start.
NikateeN
Bench
While riding his exercise bike of course.
NikateeN
Bench
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Dude, let go of the Miller hate. It's really getting to be beyond tiresome.
I agree, i can understand disliking somebody but its getting to be the topic of all your posts.
I really dont care who starts, but whoever does i hope they give it all they got, i know SAR did pretty bad last season but i still have a faith in him.
Ron-Ron just kills me sometimes.
No, wait, maybe I should just say he cracks me up.
Yeah, don't give him any ideas!!!
Competition is healthy and we the fans should be in for a treat. When business competes, you win with a lower price and a better product...why not with sports competition? I agree that SAR is the better players, but KT does better starting and being in the right spots etc for easy points and is the rebouding we desperatly need. SAR is totally suited to a 6th man and he got his minutes doing this last year backing up Brad and KT. This year with the guys we have, he will probably just back up KT, and Brad to a smaller degree. I hope he stays happy when he doesn't start, eventhough he deserves to.
I feel the comment made that Mike, Ron, and Brad will shoot hints at SAR starting because he is a post up guy, whereas KT is a shooter and gets stripped of the ball way to much to count when he goes straight at the hoop, not much if any post up game, just go to the hoop like a fool and not protect the ball. I do like his quick hands, but KT does get called for a lot of hand slaps when he himself tries to take the ball from the other team's PF.
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rhythmless
Starter
competition does make for better products and lower prices, but have you heard of the prisoner's dilemma? id rather not explain it, but basically, each entity would rather take or give less than optimal because they do not trust the other entity. this combination causes both parties to suffer.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Where's a MadD comic when you need one?
The whole NBA way of guaranteeing huge money without a need for the player to perform is just wrong. Then we just have washed up guys getting paid millions and doing little to nothing.
Mista 808
G-League
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQ5NcDPBj0[/quote]
I still love how Barkley threw the ball at Shaq's head
I still love how Barkley threw the ball at Shaq's head
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People always forget the flipside of that where you drastically underpay the LeBrons for years and there's nothing they can do about it. We had that with both Peja and Bobby in fact. Works both ways, and more or less balances out in the end. Part of being a good GM is dodging the crap contracts and picking up the underpaid guys.
rhythmless
Starter
i wasnt really referring to the money when i was talking about prisoners dilemma. i was using money to quantify how SAR and kt could just look out for each other, hurting each other's games, and even the club as a whole.
bibbinator
Bench
We need to a thread called the "Collected Wit and Wisdom of Ronald Artest" so we can relive the glory again and again.
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